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Canadian Mother Strangles Newborn, Gets No Jail Time and Judge Defends Infanticide By Comparing It to Abortion
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  In citing Canada’s abortion laws, an Edmonton appeal court ruled that an Alberta woman who strangled her son with her underwear after secretly giving birth in 2005, will face no guaranteed jail time.
Katrina Effert was sentenced Friday for killing her newborn and then throwing the body over a fence into the neighbor’s yard on April 13, 2005, when she was 19. She was given a three-year suspended sentence by Judge Joanne Veit wherein if she abides by the court’s conditions for the next three years, she will not spend time behind bars. CBC notes the justification given by the judge for such an astounding sentence:
 
“The fact that Canada has no abortion laws reflects that ‘while many Canadians undoubtedly view abortion as a less than ideal solution to unprotected sex and unwanted pregnancy, they generally understand, accept and sympathize with the onerous demands pregnancy and childrbirth exact from mothers, especially mothers without support,’ she writes.
The judge noted that infanticide laws and sentencing guidelines were not altered when the government made many changes to the Criminal Code in 2005, which she says shows that Canadians view the law as a ‘fair compromise of all the interests involved.’
‘Naturally, Canadians are grieved by an infant’s death, especially at the hands of the infant’s mother, but Canadians also grieve for the mother.”
The judge also rejected arguments that the single father and the grandparent also face “the same stresses of the mind” as a mother who kills her own baby.
 
 
They are both still murder. I wonder what age the judge would set for being ok to murder children ??POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 07:37:19 AM »
A sad day indeed.

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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 08:31:06 AM »
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 I wonder what age the judge would set for being ok to murder children ??POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(


I wonder what the judge's mother would say, if she was asked that question?

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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 08:51:26 AM »
That is sad indeed Powder.  What a horrid world we live in where men call evil good, and vice versa.

Just got done reading earlier about a woman who suffocated her newborn babies by hand so her parents wouldn't hear them crying.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/15/tennessee-mother-tells-police-hid-pregnancy-smothered-newborns/
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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 01:02:40 PM »
AVYCTES. The judge was wrong to not prosecute the woman but right too in a way. Murdering a baby that has never seen light or breathed outside the womb is no different than murdering one who has. I wonder what age a child would have to be before the judge would call it murder?? POWDERMAN.  :( :(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 03:51:07 PM »
It was the same as abortion in one sense, it was murder. It's just the case that the Judge is not worried about murder.
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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2011, 06:50:51 PM »
And that could be America under Obamacare.  Abortions for anyone.

PMAN, excellent post, sir.

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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2011, 08:02:38 PM »
The judge is correct it is no different than abortion they are both murder.

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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2011, 05:50:07 AM »
And in North Carolina you can get 10 years for stepping on a Turtle egg.
Turtles have more protection than humans.

"Disturbing, destroying, transferring, selling, or harassing sea turtles or their eggs constitutes a third- degree felony charge. The penalties for threatening endangered species can include fines up to $100,000."

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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2011, 06:33:10 AM »
And in North Carolina you can get 10 years for stepping on a Turtle egg.
Turtles have more protection than humans.

"Disturbing, destroying, transferring, selling, or harassing sea turtles or their eggs constitutes a third- degree felony charge. The penalties for threatening endangered species can include fines up to $100,000."

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...and a bald eagle's nest and eggs.  The difference is that society doesn't want the inconvenience of an unwanted child. So it became legal to kill an unborn child. When it comes to turtle and eagle eggs, they are not deemed an inconvenience to anyone, and many hold higher value to a turtle or eagle than an unwanted human. Won't surprise me if some day it becomes legal to kill an unwanted child after its born. Really it won't be any difference than what is going on now.
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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2011, 07:50:56 AM »
Won't surprise me if some day it becomes legal to kill an unwanted child after its born. Really it won't be any difference than what is going on now.
 
 
DDZ. According to the judge in the article, it's legal now. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2011, 02:21:36 PM »
Mom always said jokingly if they were going to legalize abortion they should raise the age to 18. That way it would give you 18 years to change your mind. Sure help keep the kids in line.

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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2011, 03:28:35 PM »
It's very different.  One is murder and the other isn't.
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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2011, 03:55:36 PM »
It's very different.  One is murder and the other isn't.

Wrong they are both murder. One has to be a truly sick individual to see it other wise.

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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2011, 03:57:14 PM »
 
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It's very different.  One is murder and the other isn't.
     By your definition, Swampman, maybe or maybe not.  It depends on whether she strangled the baby before it could take its first breath.   >:(
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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2011, 03:57:42 PM »
No, one just has to have a brain to see that.  One is connected to the mother and one isn't.  Connected to the mother makes it the mother's life.
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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2011, 04:03:38 PM »
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Connected to the mother makes it the mother's life.

 
Utter nonsense.  And the "breath of life" argument was yours, from another thread.   :o
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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2011, 04:09:22 PM »
The judge should be disbarred and since Katrina didn't get the death penalty, she should be spade so she can never have any more babies to kill.

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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2011, 04:11:40 PM »
 
No, one just has to have a brain to see that.  One is connected to the mother and one isn't.  Connected to the mother makes it the mother's life. 
  So if she killed the baby before cutting the umbilical cord, it was still connected to her and not really alive?

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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2011, 04:29:26 PM »
Before it took a breath on it's own it was part of the mother's life.  Once it breathes, it's a human being.
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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2011, 04:32:10 PM »
I see you can't make up your mind.   ::)
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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2011, 04:38:10 PM »
So the baby can be fully delivered and if she was real quick and strangled it before it took a breath, she didn't commit murder.
 
 

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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2011, 04:41:12 PM »
In my eyes and in God's eyes no, but in the government's eyes yes.
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2011, 04:44:34 PM »
I'm glad I don't know your god.

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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2011, 04:49:00 PM »
There's only one and if you're his he'll find you.  If you're not he doesn't need to.
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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2011, 04:50:31 PM »
 
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     Same here.  Good thing it's a one person god.
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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2011, 04:54:35 PM »
The judge should be disbarred and since Katrina didn't get the death penalty, she should be spade so she can never have any more babies to kill.

 
Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2011, 05:09:41 PM »
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I'm glad I don't know your god.
     Same here.  Good thing it's a one person god.

Very well could be......Mine tells me not to be concerned with the affairs of this world.  You boys should read the Bible.
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Re: Woman strangles newborn. Judge says it was no different than abortion.
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2011, 05:41:58 PM »
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I'm glad I don't know your god.
     Same here.  Good thing it's a one person god.

Very well could be......Mine tells me not to be concerned with the affairs of this world.  You boys should read the Bible.
  so that little quote justifies that and most any thing as long as you believe god. now that is amazing to me

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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2011, 05:47:17 PM »
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I'm glad I don't know your god.
     Same here.  Good thing it's a one person god.

  You boys should read the Bible.

 
Read it. Didn't find your views in it. Wouldn't want to.