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Shooter2s Mystery Breechloader
« on: September 19, 2011, 02:13:28 AM »
 Like Kabar2 I was intrigued by Shooter2’s mystery breechloader at Washington Navy Yard. A friend dug out John C. Reilly’s 1991 book “The Iron Guns of Willard Park: Washington Navy Yard.”, which describes most of the pieces there. According to Reilly there are no marks at all on the breechloader and no clue in the Navy Yard as to who made it or where it came from. He speculated that it was made to Joseph Needham’s patent of 1867 with a “horizontally rotating cylindrical breechblock”.
 
Looking out the patent and its earlier English original, that seems to fit the description, the breechblock swings out sideways from a pivot at the “cascabel” end, but it was created for rifles and muskets, not cannon. Has anyone else come across pictures or a description of the mystery breechloader and how it works? And who made it?

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Re: Shooter2s Mystery Breechloader
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2011, 12:04:50 PM »
This is an interesting design, I wish we had more info on it, maybe Cannonmn knows something?
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Re: Shooter2s Mystery Breechloader
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2011, 03:04:06 AM »
I know that cannonmn had posted a vid of artillery at the Washington Navy Yard, and I'm almost certain that it showed a mystery breechloader, but I searched and I can't find the thread. I'll take a look at YouTube later.
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Re: Shooter2s Mystery Breechloader
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2011, 02:28:42 PM »
Kabar 2
                More shots of the breech loader in Navy Yard.
 

 

 

 

 

 
Thats it for the photos of this gun, other than the Trunnion stamp I could not find any marknigs andthere was no name plaque attached.
 
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Here's cannonmn's video from 6/8/09. The segment on the experimental breechloader begins at about 2:05 into the vid.

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Re: Shooter2s Mystery Breechloader
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2011, 03:04:37 PM »
Thanks for the additional photo's they help much.... Ok looking at the close ups it appears that the breech to two parts there must be a camming or knee action taking place on closing to seal it, all centered around the pin at the rear, it looks like there may have been a lever bolted on to the right side of the breech block...the bands holding the block to the pin with some screws don't give a lot of confidence in the design..... although all they seem to be doing is acting as a pivot point, one of these days I'll have to take a drive up and see about a closer look.....
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Re: Shooter2s Mystery Breechloader
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 03:20:05 AM »
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Very many thanks for finding Cannonmn's video of his Washington visit. It was worth posting the question on the Mystery Breechloader just to see that!
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