There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own

[crustylicious]

You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces [sic] that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory—and hire someone to protect against this—because of the work the rest of us did.

Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless—keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along- Elizabeth Warren

Hot Harvard elitist babe! Go girl!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/class-warfare-elizabeth-warren-style/2011/03/03/gIQAeB2WlK_blog.html

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/09/22/elizabeth-warren-there-is-nobody-in-this-country-who-got-rich-on-his-own/

[tattoo13]

Did this person somehow not pay a penny into taxes and somehow not contribute to roads, education, police, military?

Do they somehow operate without a continual contribution to these causes?

The answer to both is no.

Does this people who built this factory somehow make all this money without it already benefiting many people?
The suppliers who make money selling this factory raw good, the employees who make a wage working at the factory, the trucking companies moving the goods, all benefit from this person starting a business.

Her principles are socialist and reek of class warfare.

Socialism is a disease, the first step to curing it is to recognize it in all its forms.

[Shu]

I don't mind paying my fair share for roads etc. I wish someone would pay for my kids education but I seem to be doing that. The reason I don't have several million dollars is either becuase I am not smart enough, don't have the drive to work 24/7 or haven't come upon the golden idea to make millions.
I don't see how any one making millions has ever kept me down or back. Rest assured if you have a ton of money it is easier to make a ton more. There is the risk vs reward thing.
If you risk much you can gain or lose much. People need to learn to save money, and be fiscally responsible and quit worrying about everyone else making more.

[kinslayer1965]

Well said tatoo13

[Casull]

Yeah, I started to address this nonsense point by point.  But, then I realized that the thinking individuals on this site would understand without further lecture.  As to the liberals, well they just aren't capable of understanding logic.

[Cabin4]

So basically what your saying is what one person made is also someone elses to claim.
 
Very nice loaded Liberal Socialist question in the subject field.

[Casull]

Perhaps a greater disease is 'socialization of costs with privatization of profits'.....

 
 
Umm, nope.

[Cabin4]

Steer the bus of communisam slowly as they say. Its takes time for the lies to take hold.

[tattoo13]

tatoo:

Her principles are socialist and reek of class warfare.

Socialism is a disease, the first step to curing it is to recognize it in all its forms.

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Perhaps a greater disease is 'socialization of costs with privatization of profits'.....
 
...TM7

Are you claiming that a person who starts and builds a successful business has not shared in the costs?

[DDZ]

Just more leftist "the rich guys owe us" dribble. So a guy takes huge risks to start up a business, spends a bunch of money abiding by all the government regulations, works long hours to make his business succeed, and if it does succeed, you have pukes like Warren that think the owner of the business owes everyone else, because they paid taxes that helped build a road to his business. What a crock!
 Its no wonder that people like Al Franken, and Michael Moore are big supporters of Warren.   

[Cabin4]

What he means is socilization of the profits is the way to go. That would at minimum make him a socialist.
 
We need more Solydra's.

[blind ear]

How close is the federal reserve system to communism?  ear

[Cabin4]

Likely pretty darn close.

[mechanic]

Ok, lets take all the fat cat's money, and their factories and liquidate them and divide the money.  When that's gone you can work for??  Then no one would be inclined to build any more of these society robbing business' because they would know the people would take it away......
 
Wait...isn't that what is slowly happening?

[BUGEYE]

the socialists want us living in communes working at the government owned factory or raising root vegatables to fuel our miserable lives..
I stand by my sig. line.

[magooch]

There is only one reply to what that woman (Lizzy Warren) said and it should be delivered to her face by a bidness man/woman: "What the hell's the matter with you?"

[blind ear]

Who fights for the wage earner to keep the playing field fair? Certainly not the rich or the coorporations and the government is working to keep the wages low even to the extent of welcomeing illegals by not getting rid of them. Unions are all the working man has fighting for him.
 
 
The working man will take what is there even if it is a thug run union. No one with money, lots of money. wants the rules fair and the wage earner will take what is available.
 
Getting rid of the loop holes in the tax laws would be a start. ear

[magooch]

I don't know why Lizzy chose to pick on business in the first place; not all rich folks are in business.  Not all rich folks are employers.  And yes in deed, some folks have gotten rich all by themselves.  Good for them and good for anyone who is successful.  If they were able to make it by using some of the fringe benefits provided by our society, good for them.  At least they are not a drag on all of us like the entitlement crowd who believe that just because they happen to be born here, or showed up here that they are owed a living.

[nw_hunter]

You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces [sic] that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory—and hire someone to protect against this—because of the work the rest of us did.

Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless—keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along- Elizabeth Warren

Hot Harvard elitist babe! Go girl!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/class-warfare-elizabeth-warren-style/2011/03/03/gIQAeB2WlK_blog.html

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/09/22/elizabeth-warren-there-is-nobody-in-this-country-who-got-rich-on-his-own/

Another good Socialist from Mass. They seem to have a never ending crop of them growing there.
She graduated from the Karl Marx University(I believe).

[tattoo13]

When someone suggests someone should be required to "pay it forward" and specifically using terms like social contract, it is a socialist concept. <period

Ever think about who pays corporate taxes? End users.
If you raise the taxes on a business how do they pay for that? Do you think they just take the hit in the pocket book?
No they pass the costs along to the consumers. Taxes are a cost of business and will be reflected in the cost of the goods a company is selling. Pretty simple concept.
Raise the taxes on Exxon the price at the pump goes up accordingly, raise the taxes on GM the sticker price goes up accordingly, raise the tariffs on imported tires the price goes up accordingly (this one happened last year).
Keep raising taxes an putting more restrictions on businesses and they move to another country where they can make their goods cheaper and sell them at a more competitive price. Good middle class jobs leave and we are left with the bottom feeders corporations, that in the past could not compete for quality employees. Now they are the only game in town for unskilled labor and the middle class is left with low quality employment options. See the last 50 years in America if you think I am wrong.

[subdjoe]

I found this response elsewhere.  Does a pretty good job of exposing the fallacies in the original.

    Group of friends of Stanford football post on a board called thebootleg.com On the current events board, we have debated the Warren comments. here was my response:

    “You built a factory out there? Good for you,” “Built a factory” is a summary for a lot of work. Put up equity, designed a business, took risk to buy land, get permits, pay property taxes and use taxes and permit fees. Then, bought a bunch of equipment and had it installed …and paid sales taxes. Hired some employees and paid them a bunch of money and paid payroll taxes on top of that. Bought a bunch of raw materials from companies that paid a bunch of salaries and a bunch of taxes. Building a factory is a huge private investment that pays the public a lot of taxes for the right to be built.

    “But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for.” Between fuel taxes, license fees, tolls and various taxes on transportation related activities, the roads budget is smaller than the total tax take.

    you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; No, you did not educate them. You babysat them for 12 years. Then I hired them, taught them how to be responsible and show up for work, taught them how to communicate in clear sentences, taught them that there are rights and wrongs and (unlike with your schools) wrongs have consequences in the workplace. Then paid for extended education for my employees so they could continue to improve themselves and better add value to what we do around here.

    “You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for.” Funny, my factory has 24/7 security guards because the last time it was broken into, the police did not even bother to take a report, they just said “call your insurance company”. As for fire? The closest fire department is 10 miles away. My insurance company requires that I have a full wet sprinkler system to qualify for insurance because there is no local fire protection.

    “You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did.” Well, that is not exactly true. When the AFL-CIO tried to unionize my workforce, they staged three days of noisy protests outside my factory. The police forces just stood around and watched as the protesters intimidated my workers, vandalized their cars and destroyed my property.

    You say “we” like the government and society are the same. They aren’t. My company and my community and you politicians are not “we”.

[billy_56081]

Unless the business man who built the business was a tax evader he paid for his share and then some. A good friend of who recently sold his business paid 27,654,328 dollars in income taxes over his lifetime. Another 38,784,446 dollars in fuel taxes. Plus millions and millions in licence fees sales taxes and other fees. Are you telling me he didn't pay for the roads he used? Heck without taxpayers like this business man we wouldn't have the roads.

[billy_56081]

Actually TM it was while listening to a parasite spew class warfare propaganda on tv while we enjoyed drinks at his house. He kept track of these numbers to put a fact in front of the lying parasites. This was over 32 years of business. Being you parasite folks hate the industrialists so much, please drop out and quit using their products and everything that has came from their minds and inventions.
 
I bet you guys hate auto makers and big oil when you drive cars. Go live in a cave. I would love to see a country open up that only allowed the producers of goods in, the parasites would have no one to feed off of after that.
 
So what is the solution, take more from the tax payers so you can give more to the tax takers? Lice and tape worms nothing but parasites.

[jimster]

Well after listening to some of these posts I guess I won't start a factory up, sounds like I'm the bad guy already and their coming after me before I get started.  All of the sudden my hard work belongs to someone else because of the way they feel.  That does not sound so American to me. 
So instead of trying to get a job at this company either salaried or hourly and contributing to the growth, some people just want a chunk of it. Well, it does sound a helluva lot easier than filling out an application for an engineer position, or quality control, or electrician, or welder...

 To be honest, I actually see the brilliance of all this... these socialists are not stupid.
 
 
 
 

[ironglow]

  TM says;
  " I doubt Dr Warren is a socialist per say, I thinks she hails from Kansas originally...she is a quite renown economist".
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  Sure enough !  John Maynard Keynes was once considered a "quite reknown economist"..
  How's trhat working for you lately ?
   

[Cabin4]

There is no such thing as a Social Contract.

[billy_56081]

So TM do you use any of the products the industrialists make?
 
And beleive what you want, we all have seen the things you point out as fact.
 
So have you gotten your death ray built yet? AA batteries. What a belly laugh!
 
 
Billy_5608....... 

[ironglow]

  Are Lizzie Warren and B hussein Obama socialists ?  ...Or is that too mild a statement ?
 
         " From each according to his ability; to each according to his need".  ( Karl Marx)

[tattoo13]

I suggest reading up on Rousseau and de Toqueville (and social contract) in wikipedia, etc, before blindly accepting the aethiestic and crass nihilism the current corpo Gods are inflicting on America....
 
 
..TM7
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Just because an ideal comes from before it was defined does not change what it is.
The idea that the Declaration of Indipenance is a social contract is true, but in a completely different meaning than Mrs. Warren uses the term. The DoI is a social contract in the most basic form of the words, Mrs. Warren's social contract is an idea drawn from the theory of social justice. Two far separated meanings.
I have read plenty, but I also do not accept what I have read, I have read all sides of the argument and have decided through knowledge and experience what the truth is.
Can you dispute my claim outlined here:
No they pass the costs along to the consumers. Taxes are a cost of business and will be reflected in the cost of the goods a company is selling. Pretty simple concept.Raise the taxes on Exxon the price at the pump goes up accordingly, raise the taxes on GM the sticker price goes up accordingly, raise the tariffs on imported tires the price goes up accordingly (this one happened last year).Keep raising taxes an putting more restrictions on businesses and they move to another country where they can make their goods cheaper and sell them at a more competitive price. Good middle class jobs leave and we are left with the bottom feeders corporations, that in the past could not compete for quality employees. Now they are the only game in town for unskilled labor and the middle class is left with low quality employment options. See the last 50 years in America if you think I am wrong.

[billy_56081]

TM being your reading comprehension skills are a bit weak, the company hew owned was SOLD about 3 years ago. It doesn't exist anymore, GCC does though.