Author Topic: There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own (Read 2549 times)

Cabin4 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 23, 2011, 03:35:22 PM »

There is no "Social Contract" (with capitol letters). The "social contract" as it's called, is a ficticious made up unwritten agreement by politicians. They are taking several social programs and connecting them together for political process. Its all a farse. The Government has no such contract with the people. The use of the word "contract" has significant implications.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 23, 2011, 03:50:57 PM »

Dang facts! The fibs folks won't tell to forward their agenda.

10% on income up to $16,750
15% on income over $16,750 but not over $68,000
25% on income over $68,000 but not over $137,300
28% on income over $137,300 but not over $209,250
33% on income over $209,250 but not over $373,650
35% on income over $373,650

Read more at Suite101: 2010 Tax Brackets – IRS Income Tax Rate Tables | Suite101.com http://lenagott.suite101.com/2010-tax-brackets--irs-income-tax-rate-tables-a319150#ixzz1YpIUXz3D

tattoo13 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 23, 2011, 07:26:48 PM »

What is fair about a progressive tax? Nothing it penalizes prosperity.
Honestly even a flat tax is unfair.
The only really "fair" way to tax is to take the Government's liabilities and divide it by the people in the country, that would be each person's tax bill,
That would be fair.
It would suck and many people could not afford it, but it would be fair, it would also cause a lot of people to rethink Government spending.
Quick figures for the figures on the 2010 budget would be a tax bill of $11,970 for each of the 300,000,000 people in the US.

sidewinder319 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 23, 2011, 09:08:19 PM »

Obama supporters just lost 500 million $ in hard earned money from American Tax Payers. His pals are sharing the money collected from the people. They eat 16 dollar donuts and complains about the rich. When called in by the FBI and congress they stand on the 5th like any other criminal. And Obama diverts his share to a Swiss Bank account like any other socialist tyrant. And all the time blaming the rich for the countries problems.

hunt-m-up · « **Reply #34 on:** September 23, 2011, 11:17:05 PM »

Really just a sore loser not selected for a permanent Obama post trying to keep herself relevant. Fortunately she's not 30 or 40, then my kids would have to deal with her popping up and spouting off for a lot longer.

ironglow · « **Reply #35 on:** September 24, 2011, 12:19:02 AM »

One way to get the public more concerned about tax rates;
Do away with "payroll deductions"...simply hit each taxpayer with his/her tax bill each April..

Payroll deductions was a 'New Deal' attempt hide from the taxpayer what govt was actually costing HIM...

If each taxpayer were suddenly hit with the whole year's bill..there may well be a different attitude concerning taxes..

Here's a very humorus but wonderfully educational video for liberals....rollicking fun for conservatives:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLr2if-BdA4

billy_56081 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 24, 2011, 03:50:43 AM »

Oh and by the way TM I did give you the name of the company as named now.

ironglow · « **Reply #37 on:** September 24, 2011, 04:20:03 AM »

We speak of Socialism..I ask if Socialism is too miold a term for today's Obamanites. We should keep in mind that most of the ivy league lawyer/politician class never did a stitch of hard work in all their lives....
Here are the original 10 planks listed in the "Communist Manifesto" ..any similarity to the Obamanites ?

Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. Notice the new "property seizure" laws?
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. What are we fighting about right now?
Abolition of all right of inheritance. Democrats fight for a "death tax"..it's a start !
Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. A way to 'punish' dissenters.
Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. Have we not seen the Obama govt take over banks and/or at least tell them how to operate ?
Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. "fairness doctrine" and other recent attempts to control the free flow of information.
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. Did we see the govt take over auto companies ? Did we see Obama sign bills putting more lands under govt control ?
Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. Are the proposed 'brown shirts' to come from the unions? Did we see some of this activity going on with Wisconsin teachers and longshoremen in Washington state ?
Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country. Combining industry and agriculture under govt authority..the definition of fascism.
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. Govt owns production..govt controls school curriculum.. rather like the debate now to abolish the federal Dept of education.

(my comments in red)

DDZ · « **Reply #38 on:** September 24, 2011, 06:51:48 AM »

If you surround yourself with socialists, and harbor the same ideas. Does that make you a socialist? I think most would say it does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMY9B-V4p64&feature=related

subdjoe · « **Reply #39 on:** September 24, 2011, 11:15:10 AM »

Hmmm.....

Quote

The campaign for Democratic Senate hopeful Elizabeth Warren said Friday she had been paid $192,722 for serving as chairman of a congressional committee that monitored the 2008 federal bank bailout, three times as much as had originally been acknowledged…

Warren spokesman Kyle Sullivan initially said Warren, who is seeking the Democratic nomination to take on Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) next year, had earned $64,289 for serving on the oversight panel, based on executive-branch financial disclosure statements she filed for 2009 and 2010.

But Sullivan told POLITICO on Friday that the campaign had overlooked $128,433 Warren earned from the panel in 2009.

“In a rush to meet your deadline, we made an honest mistake,” Sullivan said.

Gee....imagine being so well off that you can just overlook an eight of a million dollars. I wish I were in a position where I could just ignore that much cash.

ironglow · « **Reply #40 on:** September 24, 2011, 01:18:10 PM »

Sounds like the "Solyndra stonewall" which congress is facing right at this moment !
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/solyndra-execs-stonewall-congress/story?id=14589597

Only acoincidince that those fat cats were big supporters of the socialist-in-chief..

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:23:16 PM »

We have now established Komrade Obamavich is a commie. Perhaps the libs here at GBO might want to treconsider their support of someone whose primary color is Red.

ST762

subdjoe · « **Reply #42 on:** September 25, 2011, 08:30:22 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on September 24, 2011, 01:18:10 PM

Sounds like the "Solyndra stonewall" which congress is facing right at this moment !
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/solyndra-execs-stonewall-congress/story?id=14589597

Only acoincidince that those fat cats were big supporters of the socialist-in-chief..

Now, if you or I or most of the people here had pulled garbage like that we would be sitting in jail with about a $100,000,000 bail set, all our accounts frozen, and liens on our assets. Always gripes me when the big shots don't get the same treatment.

Or when facing fines they get to negotiate and agree to pay them, not just be told "You will pay X amount, see the bailiff."

ironglow · « **Reply #43 on:** September 26, 2011, 02:38:52 AM »

next step should be..the congressional investigators pull in the big shots of the EPA and get answers from them. If they "take the fifth", just subpoena up through the administration to the top..getting " I refuse to answer on advice from my counsel".. right up through Biden & Obama..

billy_56081 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 26, 2011, 03:29:04 AM »

And with a top level on the graduated tax scales the rich paid more for those roads and services than the poor. This is a simple fact look at the tax tables. Anyone who tells you different is a liar.

Thank God for the rich.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #45 on:** September 26, 2011, 05:31:35 AM »

But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along- Elizabeth Warren Hot Harvard elitist babe! Go girl!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/class-warfare-elizabeth-warren-style/2011/03/03/gIQAeB2WlK_blog.html

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/09/22/elizabeth-warren-there-is-nobody-in-this-country-who-got-rich-on-his-own/

The contract is you pay taxes and use the roads and protection. Many public faclities are built to attract people to an area , such as improved beaches or parks. Don't confuse freedom with soical engineering.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #46 on:** September 26, 2011, 05:37:11 AM »

take obamas cabinet and czars, overlay it over the soviet politburo and it's a perfect fit.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #47 on:** September 26, 2011, 05:50:19 AM »

tm, nobody is trying to deify wealth. they are just smart enough to realize who it is that creates jobs.
the opposite of course, is communism.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #48 on:** September 26, 2011, 06:41:37 AM »

There are those who produce worth and wealth then the opposite is those who produce nothing but worthless and cost. No war , no BS just facts.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #49 on:** September 26, 2011, 08:43:47 AM »

They get paid for their work. That’s the point TM. People who come up with creative ideas or deploy innovation are the catalyst for job creation. If someone comes up with a better mouse trap and it sells like all get out, jobs are created and those people get paid as well. Yes the inventor will get a higher reward but so what? Not everyone can be the inventor but everyone benefits. If you eliminate the higher reward factor for the inventors you will have none. Then what do you have? You have the old USSR model which obviously did not work very well.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #50 on:** September 26, 2011, 08:53:22 AM »

I have people who work for pay. They don't take from the govt. they earn their way. What I make is from both hard work and investment in their work. Those who work for others either don't have the capital to invest or don't wish to invest what capital they have. Instead they find a business owner willing to invest in them and share a profit. The business owner takes on most if not all the risk.
When soicalist try to demean those who have worked , invested and thru. both became wealthy they alwayd seem to omit the risk that was taken. They always seem to forget those who took risk and failed. They almost always seem to focus on those who made it like they commited a crime.
I would ask , if no one was willing to assume risk and invest both hard work and treasure where would those who are not willing to risk it work ? Where would incentive come from to invest ? There are failed countries that liter the globe that have tried being a soicalist country so those wishing to live in one should move there and enjoy. Oh yea in those countries there is no incentive to risk there fore a low standard of living for all !
Remember in America people can chose to be both poor and useless , we are free .

Cabin4 · « **Reply #51 on:** September 26, 2011, 11:31:26 AM »

Okay, so what is the point here then? Acknowledgement that no single person can alone enable success? Okay……..

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #52 on:** September 26, 2011, 11:53:44 AM »

Quote from: Cabin4 on September 26, 2011, 11:31:26 AM

Okay, so what is the point here then? Acknowledgement that no single person can alone enable success? Okay……..

One person can enable the success of many. The man who has the idea and investment capital can. One man can be successful and rich from his own sweat . But the man who brings on others allows them success also and collects a profit in the deal.
Also if others were not involved what would rich be ? Rich is mesured in value , GOLD , SILVER OR CASH. A means of keeping score . If there were no others involved there would be no need for keeping score

nomosendero · « **Reply #53 on:** September 27, 2011, 06:20:29 PM »

Quote from: Cabin4 on September 26, 2011, 11:31:26 AM

Okay, so what is the point here then? Acknowledgement that no single person can alone enable success? Okay……..

That's what I have been wondering!

You could also say even more accurately that we don't raise ourselves either, but the decisions we make as individuals determine the success we attain in life.
What this Socialist wench thinks is of no relevance except to those that think GOV. is the solution.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #54 on:** September 29, 2011, 12:49:39 PM »

Written by Elizabeth Warren who is being promoted and supported by none other that MOVEON>ORG, I think tht speaks for itself. Nothing but parasitic drivel.

DDZ · « **Reply #55 on:** September 29, 2011, 01:13:00 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on September 29, 2011, 12:49:39 PM

Written by Elizabeth Warren who is being promoted and supported by none other that MOVEON>ORG, I think tht speaks for itself. Nothing but parasitic drivel.

Right billy, but we are to believe that Warren is just one of the good ole gals that want to help us, while she surrounds herself with communists and communist organizations.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #56 on:** September 30, 2011, 02:50:24 AM »

Take it farther and say one can get rich on his investment.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #57 on:** September 30, 2011, 11:30:25 AM »

Who decides whats seats are better?

Casull · « **Reply #58 on:** September 30, 2011, 12:33:55 PM »

Cabin4, I want to know who gets better seats for nothing.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #59 on:** September 30, 2011, 12:38:04 PM »

there is a problem with the taxation part.
Granted taxes are a nessary evil. We do need the police, fire departments, teachers, roads and on and on.
So far all of these are local government or state government.
Why do I need to give the federal government 30% or more of the money I make when state and local governments are the ones that have provided the civil services I need? Do I not pay local taxes? Do I not pay my workers who too pay local and state taxes? The more you tax me the higher I need to make the prices of my goods, till I can no longer sell them or need to cut wages or people paying taxes to pay for the local taxes on the property, the inventory taxes.
People get upset when we talk about a fair 40 to 50% margin (buying a product for $2 and selling it for $4) seems like a lot of profit but when you look that more than half will be eaten up in taxes (local, county, state, federal, payroll, sales, and use taxes like fuel, not to mention tolls and other fees like business license ect.) And now we have the war of the classes asking for more. 99.9999% is not enough for the liberals. Had the taxes been lowered prices could be lowered, wages can go up, more tax $ will be collected as more $ will move through the economy.