Why the current boundaries of Israel must be maintained..

[powderman]

Not likely any good news in those near east countries, not with the "Muslim brotherhood" in charge....

 
That is why imam obama backed them. POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

That is why imam obama backed them. POWDERMAN. 

Barak Obama is not an Imam; he's never had training as an imam, never claimed to be, and no one of any consequence considers him to be one. Anyone claiming otherwise, is simply... mistaken, or lying.

He is, in fact, the President of the United States. He was elected by the American people. Breathe it in, and experience truth & reality.

[gypsyman]

YT3, I wonder what Obama said in his first phone call, after he won the election. Considering he called the head of the Palestianian council. Not his auntie,not his brother in a grass shack.(he probably doesn't have a phone) Not the PM of England, or the president of France. He called the head of a terrorist organization. Nope, he's not an imam. Just a real good puppet. gypsyman

[powderman]

All of the currently held land that Israel has, plus a whole bunch they don't currently have, belongs to God.    He gave it Israel.     If you don' like it, take it up with Him.     Or just wait a bit, and He'll take it up with  you.      Just my opinion.   

Palestine isn't a country and there is no such thing as Palestinians.      At least not up until about 20 years ago.    I feel sorry for most of them.   They're pawns of the other Islamic countries.      If they were smart, they'd round up the fanatics in their midst and cut off their heads before God has to come down and do it Himself.

 
BRASSO. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

All of the currently held land that Israel has, plus a whole bunch they don't currently have, belongs to God.    He gave it Israel.     If you don' like it, take it up with Him.     Or just wait a bit, and He'll take it up with  you.      Just my opinion.   

Palestine isn't a country and there is no such thing as Palestinians.      At least not up until about 20 years ago.    I feel sorry for most of them.   They're pawns of the other Islamic countries.      If they were smart, they'd round up the fanatics in their midst and cut off their heads before God has to come down and do it Himself.

 
BRASSO. Good post Sir. All of Israel needs  a real cleansing. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

    My point was;
  You can maintain a stable middle east by allowing Israel to have a "safety umbrella" over that tiny spot...or invite a war which is extremely likely to encompass a much larger area.
 
   Ironically, the "Palestinian" leader went to the UN this past week, asking the UN to recognize Palestine as their own sovereign state...and in the same speech, swearing Palestine would "never recognize Israel" as a sovereign state ! ..DUH !

[yellowtail3]

    My point was;
  You can maintain a stable middle east by allowing Israel to have a "safety umbrella" over that tiny spot...or invite a war which is extremely likely to encompass a much larger area.

Lebensraum, and... a safety buffer? Sounds familiar!

[BBF]

    My point was;.............................
 

Lebensraum, and... a safety buffer? Sounds familiar!

Both concepts are legitimate IF they aren't used as an excuse for aggression.

[ironglow]

  NOW, BACK TO THE THREAD;
  There seems to be great misunderstanding of what I was saying about maintaining the post-1967 lines and the Israelis havin hegemony enough to patrol, in defense of their borders. Probably they don't understand...because they didn't view the video, which clearly explains why the present situation prevents a greater war.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2hZ6SlSqq0
   PLEASE folks..watch the video, then complain..
  Personally, I think the Palestinians could keep the area where they are now, with special permission to visit & maintain the Dome of the Rock....so long as they do it peaceably.
 
  Excuses being made here, saying the muslims..outside Iran, Syria etc, have no "delivery systems"...hogwash!!  the idiots over in Gaza strip have 'delivery systems' they are using every day.  Those rockets could deliver biological or nuclear 'dirty bombs'..
  If return were made to pre-1967 lines, Iran could move in Scuds through the no longer patrolled west bank..to the the 9 mile wide waistline and hit most cities in Israel..they do that and we have WAR..possibly nuclear war.  No clear thinker with deductive power could escape that obvious possibility. 

   More ridiculous pertpetual war rhetoric. Delivery systems, HEH.. ....most of the IDF launched rockets into zio occupied territory don't even have an explosisve head......why don't you just come out and say what you believe...."that your God wants all islamic peoples exterminated" and that a supremacist chosen racial state is your hope and prayer.   If I recall the official US policy has always been 1967 boundaries, but you can verify. Zio colonists can not maintain thier expansionist policy without perpetual war....you are an accomplice to this terror.   ..TM7 .

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  TM ..sometimes you amaze me...you seem knowlwdgeable on many subjects..but then say most of the missles into Israel had no explosive warheads...the Islamofacists could easily replace explosiveor inert warheads with bio or dirty nuke..to say nothing of the Scud missles the Iranians could freely move up to the pre-1967 borders...and a nut like Amadinijhad would not hesitate to use them..if he thought thw 12th Imam wanted him to.  For you to suggest that Israel wants to be a "supremecist racial state" is absolutely ludicrous !  It is obvious to any thinking person that the Islamists are the ones who are attacking those who believe other than they do.  You know very well Israel allows churches and mosques without harrassment or extra taxes, while  Christians and their churches in muslim countries are being attacked & burned.  No chance a synagog could be located peaceably there..
   Maintaining the post 1967 borders & patrols..is maintaining the peace..
 
   BTW:  On the news this morning ..the US is delivering 55 "bunker-buster" bombs to Israel..Is that in case Iran needs a visit !
          http://www.infowars.com/u-s-sold-bunker-busting-bombs-to-israel-report/
 
   Must be a reason !

[powderman]

BTW:  On the news this morning ..the US is delivering 55 "bunker-buster" bombs to Israel..in case Iran needs a visit !
 
 
Good news indeed. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  How many ounces of anthrax or a radioactive substance would be needed to cause havoc ?  As far as tyhe Scuds are concerned, if the current patrol, hegemony lines are not maintained..iran could move scuds right up to the Israeli border, just a few miles from Tel Aviv.  That would make for a very tense situation which could erupt in moments...even on a misunderstanding.
 
   As far as the bunker busters being delivered to Israel at this time for political purposes..you are probably correct.  Bush arranged for 100 of them to be sold/delivered to Israel.  Obama squashed the delivery...until just recently...when the Dems lost the "solid" seat in NY..because of Jewish backlash.
   The "messiah" knows full well he's in real trouble  and he's trying to gather his radical liberal base..today he scolds the CBC (congressional black caucus) to  quit grousing and start running..for him !  This past week he finally gave a serious blow to the USMC..forcing them to accept open, boastful queerness in their ranks.
       Expect him to be doing more damaging things to the country, in his effort to appease the far-out splinter group alliances he needs to help him get elected.   After all, haven't we noticed how Slick Willie is starting to pound Obama and praise Hillery ?

[SwampThing762]

Bugeye,

I take exception to your association of the Confederate ensign to organizations like the Aryan nation.  I have great-uncles that died under that flag at Gettysburg and Chickamauga.  They fought for their beliefs and sacred honor.  Those Aryan nation SOBs have no friggin idea about what honor truly is.


Lebensraum...the only people looking for that are the resident Muslims.  They want to take it all.  Their stated objective in the Koran and the hadiths is the one world under one religion of Islam.    Religion of peace, my ass..............

Powderman, got any barbecue pork left?

ST762

[yellowtail3]

Lebensraum...the only people looking for that are the resident Muslims.  They want to take it all.

Well, if you're talking about Palestinians in Israel, some do. Keep in mind there are people there whose homes are occupied by Israelis. For others - many more - the land they grew up on, where their granddad had a farm, is now... Israeli occupied. Some of them are pissed about this. I would be.

Lebensraum...the only people looking for that are the resident Muslims.  They want to take it all.

If you're talking about Muslims in general, could you give some examples of this from... oh, the last hundred years or so?

[Brasso]

why don't you just come out and say what you believe...."that your God wants all islamic peoples exterminated" and that a supremacist chosen racial state is your hope and prayer.

 
If this type of thinking wasn't so common I would call it ignorant.
 
Who's attacking who?    How did Israel get their "occupied" land in the first place?    They were attacked.   Repeatedly.
 
Zionists?  Really?   Is that your buzz word for what you don't know about?
 
How many Islamic countries are there in the middle east compared to little 20mi wide Israel?    Didn't the UN establish Jordan also?    Do you see the Israelies screaming about that?    Are they kicking the muslims out of the country?   Burning the mosques and churches?   
 
Ignorant.

[powderman]

 I was referring to to the HAMAS rockets fired into their own occupied territory, (many said fired by isreal herself for political reasons,,,but that is another story), which usually don't have capability to carry an explosive war head. 
 
 
HEH, now isn't that precious? Taking the time to purchase, assemble, deploy, and fire UNARMED rockets into Israel. Anybody else find this amusing?? Or like me, pathetic. Nothing quite like squirrel hunting with blanks. POWDERMAN. 

[BUGEYE]

Bugeye,

I take exception to your association of the Confederate ensign to organizations like the Aryan nation.  I have great-uncles that died under that flag at Gettysburg and Chickamauga.  They fought for their beliefs and sacred honor.  Those Aryan nation SOBs have no friggin idea about what honor truly is.


Lebensraum...the only people looking for that are the resident Muslims.  They want to take it all.  Their stated objective in the Koran and the hadiths is the one world under one religion of Islam.    Religion of peace, my ass..............

Powderman, got any barbecue pork left?

ST762

uh, I did not associate them with the battle flag.  I pointed out what I saw and said "what's up with that?"  meaning, why were they flying that flag?
I've tried my best to be a southern sympathizer but I guess it's not to be.

[Avyctes]

The Palestinians want their own State.  Fine - give it to them - carve a slice out of Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt for them.  Those countries want to support their brothers, then let them put their money where their mouths are.  But in reality they want the Palestinians right where they are, so they'll never do that.  But they'll sit back and scream about how illegal Israel is.  Israel is no more going to give land back that they took in war than we are, and I don't see us giving up the Alamo any time soon.  I wish Egypt would donate them a track of land and get them out of the Israeli's hair so they could all quit their bickering.

[powderman]

The Palestinians want their own State.  Fine - give it to them - carve a slice out of Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt for them.  Those countries want to support their brothers, then let them put their money where their mouths are.  But in reality they want the Palestinians right where they are, so they'll never do that.  But they'll sit back and scream about how illegal Israel is.  Israel is no more going to give land back that they took in war than we are, and I don't see us giving up the Alamo any time soon.  I wish Egypt would donate them a track of land and get them out of the Israeli's hair so they could all quit their bickering.

 
Good post. The palis, satans disciples, have been offered land  several times before but they refused, satan wants them right where  they are. Occupying Israel to be a thorn in her side. They don't want their own state, they want Israel so they can turn it into a pigsty like have everywhere they have lived. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

......................................  Israel is no more going to give land back that they took in war than we are, and I don't see us giving up the Alamo any time soon...........................

I presume you haven't watched how Mexicans are taking back all of Texas and most of California and at least in one case with the help of the Governor.

[Brasso]

Please re-read your Bible, specifically Dueteronmy, Numbers, and Leviticus, etc.

I guess you're going to have to just explain it to me.   How does this have anything to do with making stupid statements?

Please review your history of the zionist and Exodus strategy to invade and occupy Palestine in1947 thru deceit, terrorism, and masscre...search Haganah, Stern Gang, Levon Affair, and so many other

Seriously?   Are you "Palestinian" or something?     Are any of those ridiculous assertions supposed to change the fact that it's the Arab world who attacked Israel on 4 separate occasions, unprovoked?       Does is change the fact that Israel didn't blow the Al Aksa Mosque back to hell when they had the chance?  or let the invading army stay in Israel afterwards?  Or allow them to not only work, but hold political office?    Do you really have the gigantic set of brass gonads to make these stupid statements when all the facts of history are against  you?

Who's kicking the Jews out of their country where they have lived for thousands of years?  Hint:  Muslims.
Who's burning churches and synagogues?  Hint:  Muslims
Who's blowing up children with bombs?  Hint:  Muslims

And historically, who has had a larger presence in Israel for the last few thousand years?  Hint:  Jews.   They have always outnumbered the arabs.    It's Israeli land.

Yes, they are.  What do you call operation 'Cast Lead"?   

LOL.

Cast Lead.   Yes, how dare Israel stop all those unprovoked rocket attacks.    LOL

Isa 11:11  And it shall be in that day that יהוה sets His hand again a second time to recover the remnant of His people who are left, from Ashshur and from Mitsrayim, from Pathros and from Kush, from Ěylam and from Shinʽar, from Ḥamath and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 11:12  And He shall raise a banner for the nations, and gather the outcasts of Yisra’ĕl, and assemble the dispersed of Yehuḏah from the four corners of the earth.
Isa 11:13  And the envy of Ephrayim shall turn aside, and the adversaries of Yehuḏah be cut off. Ephrayim shall not envy Yehuḏah, and Yehuḏah not trouble Ephrayim.
Isa 11:14  But they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines toward the west; together they plunder the people of the east, their hand stretching forth on Eḏom and Mo’aḇ, and the children of Ammon shall be subject to them.
Isa 11:15  And יהוה shall put under the ban the tongue of the Sea of Mitsrayim, and He shall wave His hand over the River with the might of His Spirit, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and shall cause men to tread it in sandals.
Isa 11:16  And there shall be a highway for the remnant of His people, those left from Ashshur, as it was for Yisra’ĕl in the day when he came up from the land of Mitsrayim.

[ironglow]

TM says I suggested;
  " Now, if you were an average jewish guy in isreal, instead of here, you likely would be in a minority to want continued hegemony/genocide against the Palestinians.."
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   Now TM, you KNOW it is deceitful to misrepresent what I said.  I suggested hegemony...but "genocide" is your choice of words..  keep it !
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  You claim familiarity with the Bible and challenged us to find Scriptures relating to Israel's deed/promise, given them by God...I'll fill you in..
    On May 14, 1948, The Israeli principles met in the Tel Aviv museum to foremulate a new (actually re-newed) nation..  at 4 PM they announced modern Israel to the world...  That very day most of the world, led by the US recognized the new nation.
    Just as God said in Isaiah 66:7-8:
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  King James Version (Isa 66: 7-8 KJV)    ⁷Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.  ⁸Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
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  Certainly God foresaw that his people would be dispersed by the Romans..but he promised thay wouild again inhabit their land, never to be uprooted again:
 
  King James Version (amos 9:14-15KJV)    ¹⁴And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.  ¹⁵And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
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   God said they would be driven out, but would come back stronger than ever:
 
    (Ezek 34:13)King James Bible
And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
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Yes; He promised to reunite them with their land:
     
  King James Version (Ezek 37:21-22KJV)    ²¹And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:  ²²And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
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   And of course, He's as good as His word:
 
  King James Version (Jere 16:14-15 KJV)    ¹⁴Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;  ¹⁵But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.
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  ...And again in Jeremiah:
       King James Bible
Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock
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   ...And as you requested, from Deuteronomy...He prophesied the diaspora and return way back then..
 
  King James Version (Deut 30:3-5 KJV)    ³That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.  ⁴If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:  ⁵And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers 
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   Rather hard to deny, isn't it !

[powderman]

BRASSO, IRONGLOW. Good posts, true. POWDERMAN. 

[Brasso]

Fortunately, there is hope as this 'terror' on humanity was challenged and annulled about 2000 years ago.

 
And you claim to be a Christian?   
 
I feel sorry for you.     And seeing as how you have no regard for the Bible as a whole, I have nothing further to say to you either.   
 
You may want to reconsider your involvement with whatever white supremecist / nazi group you beling to.
 
Messiah Yeshua was a Jew.   OMG!   Shhhh.

[Brasso]

Perhaps you can contact IG and discuss the orign of the word 'isreal' which only appeared in the Bible around 1848; and which I made painfully clear in another thread, same with the word 'jew'....I believe this was made clear in Berwick assassination thread

LOL

And I'm supposed to take anything you say seriously?
   
That is some of the funniest crap I've ever heard.   Are you for real?
 
 
 
 

[BUGEYE]

Jacob was renamed Israel and thereafter the Jews were refered to as the children of Israel.
seems pretty plain to me, but then I'm not trying to belittle Jews and Christians.

[Brasso]

Nope....look into it on your own......its history and fact and you can verify....BOL

With what?   TM7's Revised History of the Earth?
 
Snap, Snap.   Wake up! 
 
All one has to do is open a 1611 copy of the KJV to prove you're full of it.
 
It didn't take but reading a couple of your posts to see right thru you.   You probably have a swastika tatoo don't you?    Come on, admit it.

[BUGEYE]

Nope....look into it on your own......its history and fact and you can verify....BOL

With what?   TM7's Revised History of the Earth?
 
Snap, Snap.   Wake up! 
 
All one has to do is open a 1611 copy of the KJV to prove you're full of it.
 
It didn't take but reading a couple of your posts to see right thru you.   You probably have a swastika tatoo don't you?    Come on, admit it.

[Brasso]

Crude?    Just honest.
 
And I'm not a Christian.   I'm a Messianic Jew.       Hate me.

[Brasso]

As an alleged messianic you should also know that Christ practiced a form of religion (that we nowadays call 'Christianity') in opposition to Phariseism...which is the original religion of Moses and Abraham (Abram),,,also of ishmael and issac

I know no such thing, and if you want to get into a Biblical debate about that I'm more than game.    I mean Biblical.    Not whatever manmade stuff it is that you're reading.
 
I have no animosity toward Christians at all.   I think they're wrong on several things, but consider them part of the family, just as I do Jews.      I can go into that too if you wish.   I find no Biblical basis to create separations.
 
²⁵For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
 ²⁶And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:  ²⁷For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.  ²⁸As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.  ²⁹For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. ³⁰For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:  ³¹Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.  ³²For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.  ³³O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!  ³⁴For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?  ³⁵Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?  ³⁶For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

We could have an all day Bible lesson on just the blue words.
 

The term 'isrealites', thru etymology studies refers to all people of the original faith,,,not the chosenist doctrine of a single heir....Christ was not a chosenist...never was, never will be....sorry for those that believe this stuff. Only the PHaraseic 'jews' could come up with a bizarre idea of a religion based on racial purity and chosenism of a single heir of a select people by a Vengeful God.....Certainly, Christ annulled this crap....and never would consent to persecution of Palestinians, the modern day Cannanites.  In fact, that is what the NT is all about, or what is left of the NT--annulling this crap.

You're a very confused person.   

[ironglow]

    From TM;
 
      " As an alleged messianic you should also know that Christ practiced a form of religion (that we nowadays call 'Christianity') in opposition to Phariseism...which is the original religion of Moses and Abraham (Abram),,,also of ishmael and issac, which is in attempt to usurp by Phariseic 'jews', and fraud continued by modern Khazar 'jews'...Without doubt today jewish means a racial and 'chosen' genology as proffered by Talmudist and Bible scrambling for only one son, one heir, which is total BS...The term 'isrealites', thru etymology studies refers to all people of the original faith,,,not the chosenist doctrine of a single heir....Christ was not a chosenist...never was, never will be....sorry for those that believe this stuff. Only the PHaraseic 'jews' could come up with a bizarre idea of a religion based on racial purity and chosenism of a single heir of a select people by a Vengeful God.....Certainly, Christ annulled this crap....and never would consent to persecution of Palestinians, the modern day".
 Cannanites.  In fact, that is what the NT is all about, or what is left of the NT--annulling this crap.
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    Nobody is persecuting the "modern day Canaanites" beyond what they ask for whenever they make unprovoked attacks upon the state of Israel.
   "Modern day Canaanites"...      ... That's a stretch !   ..Arafat was from Egypt and others from all over the Arab (& Persian) world..kicked out by their former host countries
     You have made some pretty wild claims, which I frankly distrust..  So I'll use the practice you often employ with us when you question some of our assertions; ......how about a few links to back up your claims ?