Author Topic: Many Calling for Regime Change on Wall Street... (Read 8185 times)

Cabin4 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 26, 2011, 11:24:09 AM »

1st Amendment activity is fine. If the cops step over “the” line and there is violence ageist them because of that, then that is of their making. They can suffer those consequences along with whoever decides they want to be part of it. Lets hope that does not happen, right?

If those protesting bring terror, violence or whatever you want to call it to people who work there, live there, walk through there, etc… as part of their activity, then that is terror. I’m sure you don’t condone that type of activity or somehow place it under the protection of the 1^st amendment, right?

crustylicious · « **Reply #31 on:** September 26, 2011, 06:00:15 PM »

The Occupy Wall Street protests are now entering their second week.
Over 100 protesters have been arrested.
Despite this; the mainstream media has been reluctant to give much attention to the Occupy Wall Street protests, particularly in comparison to the large amount of coverage much smaller Tea Party events garner.
The reason is quite obvious: The Tea Party represents the interests of the top 1% so of course the corporate media wants to spread that message as if it were truly “grassroots.” If they can get average people to actually fight against their own interests then that’s a pretty big win for them, isn’t it?
The Occupy Wall Street protests, on the other hand, represent the “other 99%.” And the ruling class in this country is scared that these protesters will light a spark that wakes up millions of Americans from their apathetic slumber.
They know a spark could be quite dangerous because the fuel to start a wildfire is certainly there: The gap between the rich & the poor in the US has been widening quickly do to right wing economic policies which benefit the rich at the expense of everyone else.
The “Reagan Revolution” has been a massive failure. Trickle down economics have not worked for most people. The rich have gotten richer (with excess money that doesn’t really improve their lives because they were already rich) and everyone else is getting poorer.
If the average person realizes that the corporate sponsored Republican Tea Party represents everything wrong with the US and that there’s a real movement for equality & progress taking hold then look out; millions of people will realize we really are the change we’ve been waiting for. Change isn’t something you watch on TV or read about in the paper, it’s something you make happen yourself.
President Obama wants a more fair America and he has promised to be a “warrior” for the middle class and the working class but he cannot do it alone.
Obama can only sign into law what congress passes first which means that without a congress that has a majority who puts the interests of the American people before corporate profits there’s little progress that can be made.
This Republican Tea Party “do nothing” congress deserves the lion’s share of the blame for our country’s current lack of response to the jobs crisis. They have refused to pass the President’s American Jobs Act which would add 1.9 million jobs. They have also refused to allow the rich to be taxed fairly while rejecting tax cuts for the middle class.
If the Republicans win again in 2012 the other 99% of us will pay the price for it.

http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/

Cabin4 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 26, 2011, 06:47:09 PM »

Quote from: crustylicious on September 26, 2011, 06:00:15 PM

The Occupy Wall Street protests are now entering their second week.
Over 100 protesters have been arrested.
Despite this; the mainstream media has been reluctant to give much attention to the Occupy Wall Street protests, particularly in comparison to the large amount of coverage much smaller Tea Party events garner.
The reason is quite obvious: The Tea Party represents the interests of the top 1% so of course the corporate media wants to spread that message as if it were truly “grassroots.” If they can get average people to actually fight against their own interests then that’s a pretty big win for them, isn’t it?
The Occupy Wall Street protests, on the other hand, represent the “other 99%.” And the ruling class in this country is scared that these protesters will light a spark that wakes up millions of Americans from their apathetic slumber.
They know a spark could be quite dangerous because the fuel to start a wildfire is certainly there: The gap between the rich & the poor in the US has been widening quickly do to right wing economic policies which benefit the rich at the expense of everyone else.
The “Reagan Revolution” has been a massive failure. Trickle down economics have not worked for most people. The rich have gotten richer (with excess money that doesn’t really improve their lives because they were already rich) and everyone else is getting poorer.
If the average person realizes that the corporate sponsored Republican Tea Party represents everything wrong with the US and that there’s a real movement for equality & progress taking hold then look out; millions of people will realize we really are the change we’ve been waiting for. Change isn’t something you watch on TV or read about in the paper, it’s something you make happen yourself.
President Obama wants a more fair America and he has promised to be a “warrior” for the middle class and the working class but he cannot do it alone.
Obama can only sign into law what congress passes first which means that without a congress that has a majority who puts the interests of the American people before corporate profits there’s little progress that can be made.
This Republican Tea Party “do nothing” congress deserves the lion’s share of the blame for our country’s current lack of response to the jobs crisis. They have refused to pass the President’s American Jobs Act which would add 1.9 million jobs. They have also refused to allow the rich to be taxed fairly while rejecting tax cuts for the middle class.
If the Republicans win again in 2012 the other 99% of us will pay the price for it.

http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/

What a joke on nearly every point especially the point about Tea Party media coverage. The reason they get coverage is because they represent a threat to the liberal agenda and the democrat party. The media is in the pocket of the democrat party so ALL the main stream coverage is nearly 100% fabrications of negative.

The presidents so called job plan is about the same trash he's been dealing for the past 3 years. He's clue less as is your review. Face it, BHO is nothing more than a puppet for special interests out to rape the tax payers and implement a socialist welfare society.

mannyrock · « **Reply #33 on:** September 26, 2011, 07:18:04 PM »

Hmm, . . . last time I was in NYC closing a transaction, NBC built a ski ramp in the alley next to the NBC studio, so that Dave Letterman could ski down a slope covered with soap suds and land in a pile of shaving cream. We stayed up late in the conference room of the office building, so that we could watch this momentous event from above. A large crowd gathered in the street to watch it as well. I would estimate about 3,000 people. They were packed shoulder to shoulder. There were lots of police there too, forming a security line and holding up their batons.

Was the revolution that large? Sorry I missed it.

Mannyrock

sidewinder319 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 26, 2011, 07:24:11 PM »

Wall Street helped elect Obama. Obama and the left got far more Wall Street dollars than the Repubs and McCain. This is like a snake biting its own tail. The left is whinning about poor children not having food. Last weekend rich Leftest like Clooney, Lady GAGA and Silicon Valley elit set down with Obama for a $35,000 dollar a plate dinner. And the Left is blamming Wall Street.

The First Lady and her children have spent $ 14 Million tax dollars taking personal vacation and that is a Wall Street problem.

Obamas rich criminal supporters have just lost 1/2 Billion of taxpayers money and refuse to tell congress where it is. And this is a Wall Street problem.

Obamas nation is falling apart and he is on a super private jet fiddling while America burns. And his Leeches are sucking on American Capitalism.

ironglow · « **Reply #35 on:** September 27, 2011, 01:04:43 AM »

Really Crusty.........You should check your sources...see if they play 'fast & loose' with the truth !

In your post #42 you quoted your source;
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" The Occupy Wall Street protests are now entering their second week.
Over 100 protesters have been arrested.
Despite this; the mainstream media has been reluctant to give much attention to the Occupy Wall Street protests, particularly in comparison to the large amount of coverage much smaller Tea Party events garner.
The reason is quite obvious: The Tea Party represents the interests of the top 1% so of course the corporate media wants to spread that message as if it were truly “grassroots.” If they can get average people to actually fight against their own interests then that’s a pretty big win for them, isn’t it"?
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You didn't REALLY believe that source, did you ? In any case, you ought to question whether to believe them again.
Below, see some photos of the " much smaller" crowds at Tea Party events !

ironglow · « **Reply #36 on:** September 27, 2011, 01:34:45 AM »

One should give the Tea Party credit; They came, they demonstrated peacefully and left promptly...and I heard they left the area relatively clean...(unlike what the teachers did to the Wisconsin state capital).
One would think that so many who resent the "occupation" of "Palestine"... would also be turned off by these occupation forces. http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/occupywallstreet
Now, we should take a look at who is behind these "spontaneous" demonstrations... the same old, tired sponger/parasites..led by the "class warfare" general himself.
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/04/obama-zombies-invade-wall-street.html

Below, see photo of the occupation forces brain trust;

( BTW: does anybody notice a product they will not buy again ?)

billy_56081 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 27, 2011, 03:40:40 AM »

Ah in case you missed it the 100 man revolt has already ended. The paid protesters were paid, went and bought some weed, got the munchies, went to white castle. And no one noticed!

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #38 on:** September 28, 2011, 04:16:12 AM »

Obama's plan calls for more "government" jobs. Who pays the governments bills, taxpayers. Who pays the taxes, the workers and the rich. Obama is an idiot. Infrastructure jobs take 2-3 years or longer. I know, I am an engineer with a natural gas utility. My friend is a permit engineer with the state highway department. He said, you have to survey a job site, draw up the plans, bid out the project, get the materials in. This all takes time. A bridge takes several years to plan, design, and build. If Obama was honest, the Feds take in about $400 billion in gasoline tax each year yet only spend about $200 billion on highway projects. They "borrow" $200 billion for "other" government agencies, like transfer payments. So even the money they are supposed to use on infrastructure isn't even used for it. Same with social security. Money has been "borrowed" from SS for Other things such as medicare and medicaid. Big government is very wasteful. See what happened to central planning with the Soviet Union. Government got to big and went bankrupt. We are headed that way unless we make drastic cuts. It has already been shown you can tax every penney of what every millionaire and above make, and it still won't pay the governments bills. Cuts HAVE TO BE MADE.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #39 on:** September 28, 2011, 05:53:18 AM »

Kinda funny that this rebellion is so tiny that they are including a completely seperate labor pratest and the police providing security at the protest as part of the protest. Laughably desperate to say the least.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 28, 2011, 06:01:45 AM »

Mostly a bunch of "takers" looking for a way to take more from those that made it. If you polled these people I bet 80% of them are BHO supports and they support his latest government tax and spend program to create fake jobs legislation. They also would likely tell you that the Solyndra mess was no big deal. So, what can I tell you. This is what big government brings us, a welfare state of entitlement and people that think what others have it theirs. The Unions getting involved in this is really a sign of just how ridiculous this has become. If you poled these union people, I bet you they could not tell why they are there. They are just following the orders given by the thug leadership.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 28, 2011, 07:18:03 AM »

Quote from: crustylicious on September 26, 2011, 06:00:15 PM

The Occupy Wall Street protests are now entering their second week.
Over 100 protesters have been arrested.
Despite this; the mainstream media has been reluctant to give much attention to the Occupy Wall Street protests, particularly in comparison to the large amount of coverage much smaller Tea Party events garner.
The reason is quite obvious: The Tea Party represents the interests of the top 1% so of course the corporate media wants to spread that message as if it were truly “grassroots.” If they can get average people to actually fight against their own interests then that’s a pretty big win for them, isn’t it?
The Occupy Wall Street protests, on the other hand, represent the “other 99%.” And the ruling class in this country is scared that these protesters will light a spark that wakes up millions of Americans from their apathetic slumber.
They know a spark could be quite dangerous because the fuel to start a wildfire is certainly there: The gap between the rich & the poor in the US has been widening quickly do to right wing economic policies which benefit the rich at the expense of everyone else.
The “Reagan Revolution” has been a massive failure. Trickle down economics have not worked for most people. The rich have gotten richer (with excess money that doesn’t really improve their lives because they were already rich) and everyone else is getting poorer.
If the average person realizes that the corporate sponsored Republican Tea Party represents everything wrong with the US and that there’s a real movement for equality & progress taking hold then look out; millions of people will realize we really are the change we’ve been waiting for. Change isn’t something you watch on TV or read about in the paper, it’s something you make happen yourself.
President Obama wants a more fair America and he has promised to be a “warrior” for the middle class and the working class but he cannot do it alone.
Obama can only sign into law what congress passes first which means that without a congress that has a majority who puts the interests of the American people before corporate profits there’s little progress that can be made.
This Republican Tea Party “do nothing” congress deserves the lion’s share of the blame for our country’s current lack of response to the jobs crisis. They have refused to pass the President’s American Jobs Act which would add 1.9 million jobs. They have also refused to allow the rich to be taxed fairly while rejecting tax cuts for the middle class.
If the Republicans win again in 2012 the other 99% of us will pay the price for it.

http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/

Crusty,

You really should get your facts straight before you make a statement.

Obama says his jobs bill will create 1.9 million jobs. Under his watch, we have 9.1% unemployment. Out of a population of 300M people, that means approximately 27.3M people are out of work. If you include those people who are under-employed, the total number comes to 17.2%, which is 51.6M people out of work or only pt working. Under Obama's watch, we have 46M Americans living in poverty and 1 in 5 Americans on food stamps. Assuming Obama's bill creates 1.9M jobs, he is still on the hook for a net loss of 25.4M jobs.

You say that 99% will pay for a Republican victory in 2012. Puhlease!!!! 100% of working tax-paying America (53% of total taxpayers, by the way) is paying for the other 47% per cent not paying taxes but receiving benefits and services. How about asking that 47% to "pay their fair share"?

His infrastructure program is just more government bureaucracy and spending. The Solyndra debacle shows us how good Obama is at organizing for job creation. Gary Johnson's dogs have created more shovel-ready work than Barack Obama!

And, by the way, when Obama talks about fairness, he is a socialist. He wants to take what I have and give it to a welfare parasite for a vote.

ST762

gypsyman · « **Reply #42 on:** September 28, 2011, 07:26:39 AM »

crusty, not sure were you got that info. Obama has been blaming Bush, going back 1 pres. Now your picking on Reagan's policy's. UUHH, did we decide to jump over Clinton and Bush one. Lets go back and blame Hoover or Rosevelt. As long as were skipping back over presidents. gypsyman

Cabin4 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 28, 2011, 08:01:09 AM »

That what liberals and the democrats do all damn day long. They never accept responsibility for anything. It’s always someone else’s fault and someone else has to give their money away. They are nothing more than purveyors of the welfare state. BHO is nothing more than a welfare state advocate. Look at his history. It speaks for itself. The people advocating for his BS job plans are just looking for legislation to make stealing money legal.

Everything he has done is a total and complete failure. Everything he advocates for are incremental steps for a welfare state. If you want to see what the world of BHO looks like, turn your cable channel to the TV show Pawn Kings. Watch one episode and you will see the mind-set that BHO, the democrats and the Liberals are fighting for. Nearly everyone of those people walk into that pawn store with a welfare story. They are not interested in selling their item or pawning it, they are looking to take more and believe it’s the responsibility of the store owner to give them not what the item is worth, but give them what they need to support some other aspect. Its always a sob story of gimme, gimmee, gimme. That’s what people who vote for BHO want, legalized stealing.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 28, 2011, 11:21:03 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on September 28, 2011, 11:03:06 AM

Errh, ummm,,, Pawn Kings seems like basic capitalism in practice actually, somebody tries to get as much for some thing as the market will bear or they can get away with. Hey!...Sort of like Wall St...

..TM7

Errrh, ummm....I never said the concept of a pawn shop is anti-capitalism... arrh.... durrr.

What I said, was watch the show and listen to the what the people say what their reason is for pawning and their argument for wanting more than the item is worth. It’s usually "I've over extended myself and I have bills to pay". Sounds familiar, don't it? Has nothing to do with capitalism. That’s called a bail out or welfare.

Thanks for clarifying your position in support of endless tax payer funded bail outs of government run crony capitalism.

ironglow · « **Reply #45 on:** September 28, 2011, 11:30:37 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on September 28, 2011, 11:03:06 AM

Errh, ummm,,, Pawn Kings seems like basic capitalism in practice actually, somebody tries to get as much for some thing as the market will bear or they can get away with. Hey!...Sort of like Wall St...

..TM7

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Understandable;
A firm tries to make as much as it can..to please it's stockholders.. Normally, competition takes care of any inconsistancies, but when govt starts to "regulate" too much, that sets up all kinds hindrances and barriers to competition.
Of course, Marxists like the idea of heavy regulation...that way they can insist on more "central planning". No matter, that central planning has never worked...

Cabin4 · « **Reply #46 on:** September 28, 2011, 11:54:36 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on September 28, 2011, 11:48:29 AM

Quote from: ironglow on September 28, 2011, 11:30:37 AM
Quote from: TM7 on September 28, 2011, 11:03:06 AM
Errh, ummm,,, Pawn Kings seems like basic capitalism in practice actually, somebody tries to get as much for some thing as the market will bear or they can get away with. Hey!...Sort of like Wall St...

..TM7
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Understandable;
A firm tries to make as much as it can..to please it's stockholders.. Normally, competition takes care of any inconsistancies, but when govt starts to "regulate" too much, that sets up all kinds hindrances and barriers to competition.
Of course, Marxists like the idea of heavy regulation...that way they can insist on more "central planning". No matter, that central planning has never worked...

I also believe the innocent need some protections from the professional money changer crowd.....TM7

And thanks to the policies of BHO, the Liberals and the democrats those with less in our society have grown to a significantly larger number. Blaming that on Wall Street is nothing more than a political move to protect BHO reelection bid. All we'll get is more of the same, fewer jobs and more dependency on the state. But that in fact is the Plan. Break everyone’s leg and be there to hand them a set of crutches.

I thought TM was against corporate bail outs. Guess not.

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #47 on:** September 28, 2011, 08:02:51 PM »

C4, you are indeed right, sir.

Obama's new campaign slogan is not "Hope and Change...Yes, We Can", but "Mo' da Same....Yes, I did and gonna do mo'".

ST762

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #48 on:** September 29, 2011, 03:48:13 AM »

LOOKS LIKES the NYPD had a few thugs in its leadership.

I have not followed this story in NYC, didn't know about it until I just now watched the film clip of the Inspector (?)/cop assaulting those women with pepper spray.

What is the appropriate response to this sort of thing - where a guy in leading a pack of cops, armed, with the power of the state behind him, non-nonchalantly assaults someone in a manner that would GET ME OR YOU JAILED OR LIKELY SHOT? He's in public, he knows he'll be witnessed, yet... he does it anyhow. Entitlement. Expectation of Impunity.

Maybe he was In Fear For His Life. Or maybe, he was Following His Training.

a piece of me feels like... the appropriate response, if there at the moment, would have been to hit him in the face with a large wrench. But that's not allowed, is it?

Looks like the guy doing the spraying is Deputy Inspector Anthony Bologna.

http://www.uslaw.com/us_law_blawgs.php?action=page&page=occupywallstreet

Is the purpose of pepper spray to subdue/incapacitate dangerous persons so that they can be arrested, or is it to punish citizens for... whatever reasons the police on scene deem appropriate?

ironglow · « **Reply #49 on:** September 29, 2011, 01:10:55 PM »

I watched the video ..everything transpired just about as one should expect.

1)The crowd started mto occupy an arera where they were obviously not permitted.

2) The police tried to restablish the barriers & lines..

3) The unruly mob refused a police request to move back to the sidewalk.

4) Many requests to the mob were obviously made..few obeyed, they seemed more absorbed in screaming and taking pictures.

5) Finally, after many requests, and as many refusals..the police moved them..

6) No big deal..the police could have used dogs & clubs, but they were compassionate, in spite of the mob's defiance!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #50 on:** September 29, 2011, 01:13:16 PM »

This is just a snapshot of the whole picture, I think the police were restrained in their responce to this little mob a fruits.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #51 on:** September 29, 2011, 05:29:58 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on September 29, 2011, 01:10:55 PM

6) No big deal..the police could have used dogs & clubs...

Yes, they could have... and the protesters could have got seriously and beat the hell out of the jerk in the white shirt with his can of spray, and he'd have deserved it. Or they could have all brought weapons, like the police.

They didn't.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #52 on:** September 29, 2011, 05:33:19 PM »

His name is Bolonga? Seriously I think this thing here is made up and the name is part of the joke. I still would like the cops to go back to billy clubs, much more lasting are the effects.

ironglow · « **Reply #53 on:** September 29, 2011, 07:18:20 PM »

I think the whole thing is a bunch of Bologna..

Most of these things can be easily decided with just a few questions such as. Did the protesters stay within their prescribed area ? Did they follow directions and requests of the police on the scene ?
Were the protestors throwing things, screaming obscenities or otherwise exacerbating the situation...or did the police attack completely unprovoked ?
The video ois not very informative, being as the entire scene is not seen. What happened before the white shirt came along ? Was there cause for him to give them a little spritz, or did he simply decided to get them jumping ?
I did see the mob pushing the barricades....and the barricades are there for a reason..

There is opportunity for misbehavior on either side, we just don't have enough info with that short video..
One thing that was very noticeable was the screeching women in the foreground, especially the one with bare midriff and back pack and the real screecher with the gray, strapped shirt.. Tee spray, if that's what white shirt was doing, was quite separated from them. Yet soon those foreground women were on the ground ..screaming and acting..
During the "spray incident" there were police close by on 3 sides of those women...yet they seemed completely unaffected...hmm

billy_56081 · « **Reply #54 on:** September 30, 2011, 01:45:34 AM »

What is not shown in the little video clip is that these "ladies were spitting on the police officers. A felony in most jurisdictions.

ironglow · « **Reply #55 on:** September 30, 2011, 02:04:03 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on September 30, 2011, 01:45:34 AM

What is not shown in the little video clip is that these "ladies were spitting on the police officers. A felony in most jurisdictions.

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We saw those tactics way back in the riots of the 1960s..and the same short video clips, which showed only a one sided view. At that time it was a complicit media which twisted things and the anarchist types learned the value of biased reporting.
Don't know for sure how the rioters were trained, but it is remarkable when the alleged sprayer showed up, how quickly all kinds of cameras came out of concealment. Looked pre-planned to me !

billy_56081 · « **Reply #56 on:** September 30, 2011, 05:18:49 AM »

Do your research TM they were spitting on the cops.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #57 on:** September 30, 2011, 06:17:58 AM »

I did this is an out of context video being used to propagandise an agenda of the parasites.

ironglow · « **Reply #58 on:** September 30, 2011, 08:42:27 AM »

TM says;
" Another totally ridiculous red herring insertion.. I did not see any of this kind of stuff the Saturday I was there observing the ruckus".
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You didn't see any of the stuff I thought I saw on the video ? Didn't phones and cameras suddenly appear ? Didn't the women get heavy into the screeching? ...Sure looked and sounded like it to me !

billy_56081 · « **Reply #59 on:** September 30, 2011, 08:56:20 AM »

Just an out of context sound bite. These disgusting parasites were spitting on the police officers and were pepper sprayed for it.