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New guy on the block with pictures
« on: September 23, 2011, 06:18:38 PM »
Hello everyone,

While searching the web for anything and everything that has to do with ordnance, I kept finding you guys.  Recently I have been going straight to the GBO site to do research.  I guess it's time to stop sneaking around getting all this good information without making myself known. 

I've been a gun guy since I was so young that the only way I could get one was to make my own (which I did).  My current interests are Revolutionary War era ship guns, and Civil war Field artillery.

Hope you enjoy the pictures.  Glad to be part of the group.

Mike



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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 06:24:37 PM »
Let me be the first to welcome you to this forum.  Nice photos, thanks for sharing.

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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 06:32:35 PM »
Welcome to the forum, looks like you have a good start there & I have the feeling your boy thinks that cannon is just his size..... Good to start them young, he's the next generation of cannoneers
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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 07:26:42 PM »
Well done indeed.  When do we see smoke and fire?

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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 09:03:29 PM »
Welcome!! Nice photos, what are the calibers of both pieces
 
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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 02:41:47 AM »
Very nice pieces indeed! Is the rifle half scale? Bore size?
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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2011, 01:52:02 PM »
The Naval gun is a 2.25" smooth bore.  The overall length of the barrel is 40" and it weighs about 260 pounds.  It was milled from 500 pound 7" diameter bar stock (1918 steel) with trunnions welded on into countersunk recess holes.  Made the carriage from white oak per diagrams in Mullers book. The cheeks are 3" thick with no laminations.  The wheels are laminated with the wood grain alternating as was done on the originals so they wouldn't break off with the grain.

The other gun is a full scale 2.25" rifled confederate mountain rifle. 



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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2011, 03:42:58 PM »
Both are nice cannons, I have a friend with the same style Confederate Mountian rifle, there were two of them at the shoot we had this summer. great little guns.
 
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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 02:47:21 PM »
who built the mountain rifle??  the carriage looks like a bill anderson the sights look like chapman and sons. but the barrel  I cant tell, maybe a west. but could have been a bill anderson that i he did out of steel,  but doesnt look like it.


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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 02:49:50 PM »
nope cant be a bill anderson carriage,  there are a few things different on it.
  looks good,  where are you located?

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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 04:02:11 PM »
Mike -

Take the picture of you (maybe yor son?) and crop out the dumpster and submit it for a calendar picture!  It's priceless!

WELCOME to the board!

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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2011, 07:29:18 PM »
Thanks for the welcome everyone.

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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2011, 07:44:28 PM »
<<who built the mountain rifle??  the carriage looks like a bill anderson the sights look like chapman and sons. but the barrel  I cant tell, maybe a west. but could have been a bill anderson that i he did out of steel,  but doesnt look like it.>>


Rampa Room,  You were close.  Got a few names right anyway.  The carriage is Ben Miller.  The sights are Bill Anderson.  I made the barrel ( 1018 on a CNC) with a my friend who owns a mold shop. The liner is Ken Kurdt.  I'm in Illinois Chicago subs.  Compete at Grayling long range competitions (Loomis Battery).  I made the entire deck gun and carriage years ago,  don't have the time (possibly the skill) to do a carriage like the mountain rifle's prairie carriage.

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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2011, 08:28:52 AM »
Welcome to the forum, Cannon Cocker. Those are two extremely fine artillery pieces that you've got there. I noticed that there are no capsquare keys, or lynchpins in the axle collars on the naval carriage; was that gun only recently finished?
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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2011, 08:03:06 PM »
Welcome to the forum, Cannon Cocker. Those are two extremely fine artillery pieces that you've got there. I noticed that there are no capsquare keys, or lynchpins in the axle collars on the naval carriage; was that gun only recently finished?

No.  Finished that gun years ago.  The pictures are old,  and I was still working on that stuff.  Also switched out the nuts from modern hex to heavy square ones.  The mountain rifle I just finished this year though. 

Both very fun to shoot.  Big difference in accuracy though.  Used 4 oz. fg in each.  At 100 yards it was a big challenge to ever hit a 3' diameter target with a round ball out of the deck gun.  With the mountain rifle it would be hard to not hit it at 200 yards with a bolt.

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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2011, 08:26:47 PM »
Did you end up painting the naval gun black?
RIP John. While on vacation July 4th 2013 in northern Wisconsin, he was ATVing with family and pulled ahead of everyone and took off at break-neck speed without a helmet. He lost control.....hit a tree....and the tree won.  He died instantly.

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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2011, 07:30:08 PM »
Did you end up painting the naval gun black?


No,  I always liked the way it looked.  I have regretted doing something to protect it though.  One year I got it out of the shed where I had it stored (way too heavy to get it inside and down the stairs) and it had some bad rust.  I had a friend who sells oil and lubricants who gave me a rust preventative that was supposed to be great.  When I saw what happened to it I almost cried!  At some points it was actually flaking off in small sheets.  I researched rust removal and ended up putting it in a bath of boric acid solution for a few days that got rid of every single bit of rust with no abrasion and only made the finish a little dull, which was easy to remedy with a light brass wheel.  Luckily, almost all the severe rust was on the bottom, and it only ended up having some light pitting on the bottom side.  Actually, pretty amazing how good it looks considering how bad I thought it looked when I first saw it. 

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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2011, 08:26:56 PM »
Believe me when I say that I understand what you mean about almost crying when you saw the rust. You'll probably laugh at this, because it's on a much smaller scale, but we've got two cats, and they mark their territory on everything they can with the sides of their mouths. I've got a 15'' .69 cal steel Napoleon on a field carriage that I started to keep on the floor next to the wall in our finished basement, and one of the cats was having a field day marking his scent all over the gun, and I saw him doing it from time to time, but I didn't think much about it (I figured no harm). Well, one day I was down there working and a mark on the barrel caught my eye, so I picked it up and put it under the light; and one whole side of the barrel was streaked wih rust, along with rust on the the capsquare, the trunnion plate, lunette, and the steel tyre on one wheel. Well, I've had this cannon since I was a teen, and it had never had as much as a particle of rust on it, so I was more than mildly mad at that wretched, corrosion causing, furry little devil. 
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Re: New guy on the block with pictures
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2011, 03:06:34 AM »
One wheel on my antique truck is rustier then the rest because of my ever-loving lab.  He was as fond of the truck and I.

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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2011, 02:24:22 PM »
I should stress again how amazing the boric acid solution worked.  I have had things develop rust over the years, and have tried many different things (naval jelly, wire brushes, muriatic acid, etc) to get the rust off.  This was by far better than anything I have ever used.  Just make a solution until it won't dissolve any more, (doesn't even matter if there is some un-desolved powder in the bottom, throw your metal in there and check it every once in a while until all the rust is gone. If it has flakes, you can help it along by removing them as it is working so it gets in there, but basically you just throw parts in there and the rust is gone and none of the good metal.