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Offline rp85

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ejector vs. extractor
« on: September 24, 2011, 12:16:02 PM »
which is more reliable??
 
the handi i have is an ejector style rifle, but found one with an extractor.  just looking for additional input.
 
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2011, 12:30:14 PM »
Extractors are pretty much 99.9% reliable, ejectors aren't even close, that's probably the biggest reason they don't make ejector centerfire rifles any more, haven't for about 5-6yrs.

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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 12:47:28 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on September 24, 2011, 12:30:14 PM
Extractors are pretty much 99.9% reliable, ejectors aren't even close, that's probably the biggest reason they don't make ejector center-fire rifles any more, haven't for about 5-6yrs.

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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2011, 02:36:26 PM »
  I am probably in the minority but I like ejectors better. All my handis are ejectors.    Jed
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 03:00:26 PM »
Lots of people do...when they work right,  but those same people are quick to change to extractors once they've had problems, I've done enough conversions to know that's a fact, I've done far more ejector to extractor conversions than the other way.  ;)

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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 03:09:29 PM »
  I used to like ejectors but my new to me 30-30 kicks brass out so hard its actually dangerous.  Also when firing from a bench, I find myself getting tired of either having to catch brass or having to chase it down before heading home.
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2011, 03:13:40 PM »
In my Toppers I have had zero ejection problems. They are chambered in 30-30 Win. a lower pressure rimmed cartridge. Seems most ejector problems I've seen are with the higher pressure rimless cartridges.
 
I am on my second 30-06, the first one while accurate would have an ejection problem at times. The second one I made accurate with 180 grain flat base Hornadys and H4831 propellant which according to the book is on the low side pressure wise with my loading. Still good velocity but according to the book low on the pressure side. With the lower pressure I have over 100 rounds fired and all of the spent cases ejecting easily.
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2011, 03:27:05 PM »
Quote from: jedman on September 24, 2011, 02:36:26 PM
  I am probably in the minority but I like ejectors better. All my handis are ejectors.    Jed

You are most likely in the MAJORITY jedman, not the minority. I also much prefer ejectors over the newer and cheaper extractors, but I am a hunter more than a bench shooter. Extractors are the guns the bean counters and lawyers built, and what we have to put up with now, UNLESS you are lucky enough to have, or buy a nice used ejector fitted barrel....<><.... :)                       
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2011, 04:48:35 PM »
My first 5 Handis were ejectors and I never wanted a slow extractor. Well having a 7-08 that was a stickler for sticking cases I still stuck to my guns (pun intended) and worked on it for years -still getting a stuck case now and then. I accidently bought my first extractor in the classifieds (it was mis-marked in the ad, the seller offered my money back but I said I would try it....) I have only looked for extractors ever since. And sent my sticky 7-08 off to have it made to a positive extractor like the new factory barrels are. Because the fast ejector isn't so fast while you are pulling a section of cleaning rod out of your pack or digging for a pocket knife to pry out the spent case. When that once in a while stick happens right when you don't want it to, it is very frustrating.
You will hear both sides of the story, but my choice now is extractor.
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2011, 05:17:01 PM »
Ejectors aren't reliable. I've had to pack up and go home from the target range because of a stuck case. As far as hunting with an ejector barrel... have you ever tried to find a .22 caliber stick in the woods to knock out a stuck case? Good luck. I won't ever have another Handi rifle with an ejector barrel. Matter of fact I wish they'd start making Pardners with extractors too.
 
 
 
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2011, 05:28:03 PM »
My SS-UH 45-70 is the only one with the extractor, and it has worked flawlessly, though it does not lift the head very high out of the chamber. I can imagine that on a bitter cold day with gloves on that it may be an issue, and one should be practicing lifting the muzzle while opening and maybe giving a shake rearward to help pop the empty clear.
Try it before season..........
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2011, 07:11:21 PM »
If extractors were the problem all the ejector lovers think they are, millions of TC owners wouldn't love their Contenders and Encores!  ;D If you want to compare the ease of reloading two single shots, compare an extractor Handi and a muzzleloader.   :P

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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2011, 01:28:52 AM »
I want to reload the brass, so for me, ejectors are much slower than extractors..  By the time I press the latch, start opening the breach, squeeze my hand in between the scope and the hammer, finish opening and catch the spent case, I could have reloaded an extractor twice.  Then of course there are the times you miss the brass and it sails over your shoulder into the snow or weeds.  Or, sometimes, it is easier to find because it just smacked you between the eyes.  Patty's 7mm-08 ejects so violently it could damage your eyes or glasses. 

I don't care if the odds are one in ten thousand, I don't want a stuck case.  It'll only do it when you really need that second shot...Murhpy's Law........Murphy is alive and well.  I never had a FTF deer hunting.  Ol' Murph didn't like that.  I hauled down on a 10 point, six below zero, 50 yards, and the Huntsman's hammer fell in slow motion.  Murphy got a chuckle out of that one.

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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2011, 11:44:03 AM »
Don't own a Handi with an extractor.  Don't want one either.  I have 3ea 30-06s, 1ea .243, 1ea 45-70, 2ea .223s, 1ea .35 Whelen, 1ea 22-250, 1ea 25-06, 1ea .17HMR, 1ea 20ga, and 2ea 12 ga.  All have ejectors.  Will not own an extractor Handi.  If I want to carry a gun with an extractor I'll carry my TCR or Contender.

Cold fingers don't lift empties out easily.  I use all my guns for hunting, I'm not a range shooter.  I want that empty gone when I open the action.
 
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2011, 04:39:18 PM »
Quote from: Sourdough on September 25, 2011, 11:44:03 AM
Don't own a Handi with an extractor.  Don't want one either.  I have 3ea 30-06s, 1ea .243, 1ea 45-70, 2ea .223s, 1ea .35 Whelen, 1ea 22-250, 1ea 25-06, 1ea .17HMR, 1ea 20ga, and 2ea 12 ga.  All have ejectors.  Will not own an extractor Handi.  If I want to carry a gun with an extractor I'll carry my TCR or Contender.

Cold fingers don't lift empties out easily.  I use all my guns for hunting, I'm not a range shooter.  I want that empty gone when I open the action.
 

 
 
Well good luck to ya when you get a stuck case with a mad grizzly headed your way. ;)  If I hunted where you hunt and what you hunt I wouldn't go afield with a $2 part the may or may not work. That's a good way to get dead.
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2011, 05:04:22 PM »
I own a .410, two 20g, a 12g, .22, .223, .243, two 30-30s, .44mag, and a 45-70..... nine are ejectors and two are extractors.    Never had a stuck case in any of them.    Guess I've been lucky.   Personally I prefer the ejectors.  I use them mostly for hunting Big Pigs. 
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2011, 05:22:15 PM »
If I had an ejector that stuck (I don't) I would fix it (I have). All my ejectors work 100%....<><....:)
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2011, 01:37:21 AM »
I have both types.  All of my shotguns and rifles with rimmed cases have ejectors, except for the .45 Colt.  Wish it did.
Barrels without rimmed cases have extractors.  When I'm down on the shooting mat, and the little .204 on the bags, I dislike the gyrations I have to go through to remove the empty and put in a new cartridge with three vertebrae fused in my neck.  If I could fit a reliable ejector to that one, I'd do it in two shakes of a lamb's tail!  For that particular situation, I've found a heavy barrel AR15 that I put together is THE 'stuff'.
When I'm in griz country, I have a repeater or a BIG revolver.
Maybe in three or four months when this question comes up again, I'll change my mind.  Doubt it, though.
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Re: ejector vs. extractor
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2011, 06:59:19 AM »
Only had one ejector fail, on a new gun right out of the box, factory fixed it.  My TCR, Encore, and Contender have extractors, that's why they stay home.  Takes too long to remove the empty.  I can have a second shot off before you get that empty out with cold fingers.   
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