9 9 9 Plan

[Heather]

With Cain winning in Florida, I decided to do a little research into this famous 9 9 9 plan. Now from what I can gather that is a 9% income tax, a 9% corporate tax, and a 9% FEDERAL sales tax. Now someone please correct me if I am wrong, but as of right now we have no FEDERAL sales tax on most goods. Local and States taxes where I live are already 9 cents the dollar. Since his plan does not eliminate the local and state taxes, then that means that they will be combined and I will have to pay 18 cents in taxes on every dollar spent. That seems a little excessive to me. 
Another thing that seems insane about this plan is the 9% income tax. Why should my income be taxed even one percent. I am with Bachman on this one. EVERY cent I earn, I should get to keep. There should be NO PERSONAL income tax. The income tax system as it is set up is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I do NOT want a president who is going to stick with the status quo of using unconstitutional laws to rule. Can anyone else see the problems with this plan that people are championing for???


Heather

[powderman]

Since his plan does not eliminate the local and state taxes, then that means that they will be combined and I will have to pay 18 cents in taxes on every dollar spent. That seems a little excessive to me.

 
 
HEATHER. We pay much more than 18% now when you figure in gas tax, road tax, school tax, and all the other hidden taxes we now pay. But yes, I do consider his plan excessive. POWDERMAN. 

[BUGEYE]

it could kill a lot of large purchases with the excess sales tax.

[nomosendero]

I also agree with Bachmann's statements, but I don't see anyone being able to carry that one out, including her & the rest of her statement bears that out.
 
Concerning the 9 9 9, I would sure enjoy the fed income tax part compared to my current taxes & the corp. tax would be good for alot of corporations, but that sales tax could get rough.

[hillbill]

i like herman cain, ive not done a lot of research on him.im concerned about the corporate tax. is this less or more than they pay now? if it is less then that will stimulate the economy for sure.adding a sales tax on top of state income tax would be a prob.revamping the whole tax system will be difficult for sure but it may need to be done.i dont see a lot happening until something radical goes on.

[Hooker]

Cains 999 Plan is an interim plan that he proposes will be replaced with the Fair Tax.
I like Cain I believe he's a straight shooter and a man of the people. He has a plain spoken quality that makes you feel at ease, unlike the professional politicians he is up against. It's that same quality that made so many of us like Sarah Palin. That down to earth quality that makes you feel like you are talking to a friend. I think that is fine quality in a person and would be a great quality in a leader. Listening to Cain I get the feeling that he has never talked down to anyone. But he's a no PC sissy man he will tell it like he sees it. When He called that infestation in the white houses dribble, "Bull Squat" I knew he was not some pandering puke spewing politico bottom feeder. I don't know just yet if I'm gonna be a Honky for Herman , but I like him and don't mind raising some Cain.

Pat

[magooch]

The first thing that any tax revision must consider is what the net effect is, and in the case of Herman Cain's version, it is a nonstarter.  Unless his explanation leaves a whole lot out, the plan would represent an enormous tax increase to average income folks.  From what I've seen of Cain's plan, it looks like it was primarily designed to benefit business.  There is nothing wrong with throwing business a bone, but it can't be at the expense of another group--especially of the masses.
 
Two elements of Cain's tax plan--if it does what I have heard him explain--that makes it unworkable is: 1) It removes the dedicated payroll tax (FICA) which pays for Social Security and Medicare and 2) It imposes new taxes on a huge sector of folks who basically are now paying no income tax, or a very modest amount of income tax.
 
I can see no benefit in changing a bad tax plan for one that is even worse.  In this case, "worse" would be defined as anything that increases what I pay.

[magooch]

When it comes to taxes, my belief is that I look out for #1 (me) and I watch out for #2 (any crappy plan that raises my taxes).

[SwampThing762]

The way I see it, the 9 9 9  plan would reduce my income tax burden, as I am in the 15% bracket for income taxes.   The 9% national sales tax is designed to capture the 47% who pay no federal income tax, and likely, no state income tax, either.    On that basis, I say the 9 9 9 plan is a good idea.  Besides, if the corporate tax rate is 9%, and not 35%, more businesses and corporations would remain and stay in the stateside. 

The whole point of tax reform and lowering rates is to expand the tax base, so that even the welfare parasites are paying federal taxes.

It is the best plan I have heard of so far, since the Fair Tax, like the current tax code, does not tax welfare check income.

ST762

[Heather]

The way I see it, the 9 9 9  plan would reduce my income tax burden, as I am in the 15% bracket for income taxes.   The 9% national sales tax is designed to capture the 47% who pay no federal income tax, and likely, no state income tax, either.    On that basis, I say the 9 9 9 plan is a good idea.  Besides, if the corporate tax rate is 9%, and not 35%, more businesses and corporations would remain and stay in the stateside.  

The whole point of tax reform and lowering rates is to expand the tax base, so that even the welfare parasites are paying federal taxes.

It is the best plan I have heard of so far, since the Fair Tax, like the current tax code, does not tax welfare check income.

ST762

Don't tax welfare check income...ELIMINATE it! Then everyone's tax burden can be lowered. Any plan that raises taxes is NOT a good plan in my opinion. Taxes being regulated on a federal level is just not right. The idea of personal income tax is unconstitutional. Did anybody catch that part??? PERSONAL INCOME TAXES ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. IF we are behind a candidate that is for keeping in line with unconstitutional laws, then we really have no hope of fixing this mess. The best plan so far is unconstitutional at best and massive tax hikes for the majority of the population at worst. When and only when people realize that it is not the Governments job or even within their rights to make decisions with OUR money, will we be able to start seeing economic growth again. 
Heather

[nw_hunter]

The way I see it, the 9 9 9  plan would reduce my income tax burden, as I am in the 15% bracket for income taxes.   The 9% national sales tax is designed to capture the 47% who pay no federal income tax, and likely, no state income tax, either.    On that basis, I say the 9 9 9 plan is a good idea.  Besides, if the corporate tax rate is 9%, and not 35%, more businesses and corporations would remain and stay in the stateside. 

The whole point of tax reform and lowering rates is to expand the tax base, so that even the welfare parasites are paying federal taxes.

It is the best plan I have heard of so far, since the Fair Tax, like the current tax code, does not tax welfare check income.

ST762

Don't tax welfare check income...ELIMINATE it! Then everyone's tax burden can be lowered. Any plan that raises taxes is NOT a good plan in my opinion. Taxes being regulated on a federal level is just not right. The idea of personal income tax is unconstitutional. Did anybody catch that part??? PERSONAL INCOME TAXES ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. IF we are behind a candidate that is for keeping in line with unconstitutional laws, then we really have no hope of fixing this mess. The best plan so far is unconstitutional at best and massive tax hikes for the majority of the population at worst. When and only when people realize that it is not the Governments job or even within their rights to make decisions with OUR money, will we be able to start seeing economic growth again.
Heather

I like R. Paul's plan.........Do away with the IRS period!
Paul introduced a bill back in 2009, called the Liberty Bill, which would have repeal the 16th Amendment

 The Liberty Amendment also  forbade the Federal government from performing any action not explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.

    The 16th Amendment gives the Federal government a direct claim on the lives of American citizens by enabling Congress to levy a direct income tax on individuals. Until the 16th amendment passed, the Supreme Court had held that Congress had no power to impose an income tax.

 The Founding Fathers realized this.  Which is why they did not give the Federal government the power to impose an income tax.  Americans today give more than a third of their income to the Federal government. Income taxes retard economic growth by discouraging work and production.

Yep! I like Paul's plan........Repeal the 16th Amendment.

[SHOOTALL]

Corp's pass along any cost they have , TAXES being one of them. So taxing corp's is in reality double tax on consumers. Many corp's pay sales tax add a service and don't have the pain of keeping up with charging sales tax.
 If you look at income taxes at least in my state a 9% tax would be good. Even adding sales tax would be a savings . It would be nice to not tax food and drugs.
With out income the govt. can't run. I do believe that cost should be cut , war only in true defense of America and established friends. Make wealfare a work for your money deal for those able to work.
Best to end all perks for politicans .

[magooch]

In the real world, short of an actual revolution, the income tax is not going to go away, so adding any other kind of federal tax--whether it is called a sales tax, value added tax, or whatever--is just another way for the Congress to extract more money from us and not face the real problem--spending.

[Swampman]

I'd support a 25% sales tax if they'd eliminate income tax.  The poor need to pay taxes too.

[SHOOTALL]

I'd support a 25% sales tax if they'd eliminate income tax.  The poor need to pay taxes too.

they pay tax when using food stamps ?

[Swampman]

There is no sales tax on food in FL.  They should reduce food stamps by 25% a year until they are gone.

[SwampThing762]

TM7,

Yes, I do think the welfare parasites should "pay their fair share", if we cannot eliminate welfare checks.   They contribute nothing to the system and take from it.   A sales tax would make them ante up.

There are three economic classes in our society: the producers, the moochers, and the looters.   The producers are the ones that go to work, pay their taxes, and pay for their own healthcare by the sweat of their brow and the results thereof.  The looters (read politicians) confiscate increasing levels of money through progressive taxation based on personal income and redistribute to the moochers, which are the welfare parasites and take from the system without paying anything in.

Heather, I do agree with you in principle, but let us face reality....the 16th Amendment is not going to go away.   We cannot get the nation back into proper standing by cutting spending.  The government must have revenue for operations.  When you have 47% of the population not paying any income taxes (the primary source of federal funds), the tax base shrinks.   At that point, you must redistribute the tax burden to expand the base number of taxpayers.  That means redefining the means of taxation.   

The 9% corporate income tax is so companies will stay here in America and employ Americans.  The US currently has a 35% corporate income tax rate, Obama wants to increase that rate.  Companies and jobs will go to China and the USA will never see an economic recovery.   The 9% personal income tax rate will give working Americans more money in their pockets to purchase goods and services, creating more jobs for Americans.     The 9% sales tax expands the tax base to catch the welfare parasites and others who pay no taxes.

It may not be the best plan out there, but it is infintely better than anything Obummer can devise.   Mr. Cain wants to get this company back to its position of prestige in the world, and only a businessman knows how to accomplish that goal.

ST762

[SwampThing762]

SHOOTALL,

The welfare parasites pay NO SALES TAX when they use food stamps, which is the EBT or SNAP card now.

ST762

[tattoo13]

So, if 45 million live under the poverty level, and 47% of pop close to it, do you think they should pay taxes...?? I reckon you do and a sales tax would get blood from a stone...?
 
..TM7

You do realize that the lowest 48% starts at $44,999?
Do you really think almost $45k a year is poverty? 
Everyone should pay taxes. I understand if a family of 4 takes in $20,000 it is hard to expect much. At the same time I think part of the problem in this country is too many people not having any investment in the system, why should they care if the Federal Government wastes money when they don't pay into it?
It is easy to want to keep the entitlements rolling when it doesn't cost you a thing.

[SwampThing762]

There is no sales tax on food in FL.  They should reduce food stamps by 25% a year until they are gone.

Swampman,

Good idea.   Ever thought of running for the Legislature?

ST762

[Heather]

Political brainwashing at it's best. Yes it is wrong, but there is nothing we can do about it so might as well get used to it. I am so grateful that I am still naive enough to believe that wrongs can be made right. What if women of the past thought that yeah it is wrong that women can't vote, but male ego's aren't going anywhere so oh well might as well get used to it. What if blacks in the 1900's had thought that slavery is wrong and unconstitutional, but oh well the white men will never develop a conscious, so oh well let's just live as slaves throughout eternity. Better yet what if our founders thought that the British taxing us excessively was wrong, but there was nothing they could do against the big bad British. WAKE UP PEOPLE! There is NOTHING about our Government or even our nation that WE THE PEOPLE can't change. There is a LOT more of us than them. I dont care if it takes an all out REVOLUTION. The only way for evil to persist if for good men to do nothing!!!!

[BUGEYE]

There is no sales tax on food in FL.  They should reduce food stamps by 25% a year until they are gone.

Swampman,

Good idea.   Ever thought of running for the Legislature?

ST762

noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

[oldandslow]

I guess I attended the wrong school. I thought slavery was abolished in the 1800s. Maybe a typo?

[Heather]

I guess I attended the wrong school. I thought slavery was abolished in the 1800s. Maybe a typo?

Of coarse you are correct. The validity of any argument is destroyed with incorrect facts, so I do apologize.
Heather

[SHOOTALL]

We are talking about symptoms of a sick economy . We should be talking about the cause. Taxing the corp. One simi condoctor company president said it cost a billion dollars more to build in the USA. Taxes were the main cost. Higher labor didn't even come close . These taxes are just to build . That's why alot of workers are not working.

[BUGEYE]

I'm in favor of Heathers all out REVOLUTION.  I really don't see anything getting fixed.
for instance, if Ron Paul were elected president, the stupid voters would vote for a democrat senator or representative for "balance".
revolution is the answer.

[hillbill]

So, if 45 million live under the poverty level, and 47% of pop close to it, do you think they should pay taxes...?? I reckon you do and a sales tax would get blood from a stone...?
 
..TM7

You do realize that the lowest 48% starts at $44,999?
Do you really think almost $45k a year is poverty? 
Everyone should pay taxes. I understand if a family of 4 takes in $20,000 it is hard to expect much. At the same time I think part of the problem in this country is too many people not having any investment in the system, why should they care if the Federal Government wastes money when they don't pay into it?
It is easy to want to keep the entitlements rolling when it doesn't cost you a thing.

i guess im poverty stricken!i live way under 45k a year and pay plenty of taxes.you can ask the irs about that!i am totally in favor of a sales tax.i want the drug dealers, prostitutes,cash workers who are not claiming any income,layabouts who live off their parents, illegal immigrants, etc to pay the same as me.is that really to much to ask?i am sick of the old reliable middle income property owners with jobs footing the bill for everyone else.the wealthy already pay their fair share, they are business owners giving us jobs.if they dont open or expand new business where are we going to get jobs?

[briarpatch]

When you run outside to start the revolution, take time to look around. You dont want to fight a war by yourself.
 To many whores, bars, tv's, movies, and video games, to get involved with petty things like freedom.
Another thing to think about while you are standing there. They, yes they know that.

[BUGEYE]

When you run outside to start the revolution, take time to look around. You dont want to fight a war by yourself.
 To many whores, bars, tv's, movies, and video games, to get involved with petty things like freedom.
Another thing to think about while you are standing there. They, yes they know that.

so, we just sit on our butts and let america die.   I'm ashamed that more don't care enough to save the USA.
when I think about it, the word "chicken" comes to mind.
I'm glad there wasn't so many "chickens" in 1776.

[briarpatch]

I went to both tea party events in DC. You would have thought there would have been 200,000,000 there instead of 2 million which is debated but the truth is 2million plus.
I have a stack of THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES in front of me to hand out. I have seven left from a large box. 
I have put them in office buildings and before you leave they are throwed in the trash. They have been given to schools for study or just reading some teachers accepted them with great enthusiasm some would not have them in their rooms or accept them.
People dont care, lazy, afraid, or too busy with life.
The other side is winning we just hold the fox hole until they get to us.