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LOOKS LIKES the NYPD had a few thugs in its leadership. Surprised? Not me.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/09/an-important-video-to-watch-pepper-spray-by-a-cruel-and-cowardly-nyc-cop/245629/


I have not followed this story in NYC, didn't know about it until I just now watched the film clip of the Inspector (?)/cop assaulting those women with pepper spray.

What is the appropriate response to this sort of thing - where a guy in leading a pack of cops, armed, with the power of the state behind him, casually assaults someone in a manner that would GET ME OR YOU JAILED OR LIKELY SHOT? He's in public, he knows he'll be witnessed, yet... he does it anyhow. Entitlement. Expectation of Impunity.

Maybe he was In Fear For His Life. Or maybe, he was Following His Training.

a piece of me feels like... the appropriate response, if there at the moment, would have been to hit him in the face with a large wrench. But that's not allowed, is it?

Looks like the guy doing the spraying is Deputy Inspector Anthony Bologna.

http://www.uslaw.com/us_law_blawgs.php?action=page&page=occupywallstreet

Maybe someone in LE can educate me: Is the purpose of pepper spray to subdue/incapacitate dangerous persons so that they can be arrested, or is it to punish citizens for... whatever reasons the police on scene deem appropriate?

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Re: NYPD Deputy Inspector maces protesters, nonchalant...
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 06:40:10 AM »
YT - Please have your source show the rest of the video.  You know the part where the demonstrators assaulted the cops. 
FWIW Pepper spray is considered a mild form of escalation of force by NYPD, the next level would be the use of a metal baton.  So in your opinion, would it have been better to "knock" some sense into somebodys' head?  ???   Maybe, it would have resulted in a little blood for the photogs, and a much better photo op for the protestors. ::)
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 07:04:51 AM »
Please have your source show the rest of the video.  You know the part where the demonstrators assaulted the cops. 

 
 
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Re: NYPD Deputy Inspector maces protesters, nonchalant...
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011, 07:35:28 AM »
YT - Please have your source show the rest of the video.  You know the part where the demonstrators assaulted the cops. 
I don't know that part, or even that it exists, so you'll have to supply it, as I don't have it. Will it show the women who were attacked by Deputy Inspector Bologna assaulting officers? If that is the case, I'd be especially interested in seeing it.

There are PLENTY of clips of the pepper-spraying in question, before and after; none I have seen show any aggression on the part of the women attacked by Deputy Inspector Bologna. Would it be fair to infer, OldSchool, that you agree with Tony Baloney's use of pepper spray as depicted in the video? If it's what it looks like... is that SOP for pepper spray 'deployment'? 

Go to 5:36 in clip for woman being dragged by the hair
Go to 5:50-7:45 for the pepper-spraying, from diff perspective


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FWIW Pepper spray is considered a mild form of escalation of force by NYPD, the next level would be the use of a metal baton.  So in your opinion, would it have been better to "knock" some sense into somebodys' head?
Well, if it were my daughter being sprayed by Bologna, and I were there, the next level might a deputy inspector on his way to the hospital... but that's not allowed, is it? Besides... they'd shoot me if I behaved the way Bologna did.

http://www.mizozo.com/world/09/2011/27/meet-anthony-bologna-scourge-of-the-nypd.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/27/anthony-bologna-nypd-officer_n_983708.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/nyregion/wall-street-demonstrations-test-police-trained-for-bigger-threats.html?hp
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 07:42:26 AM »
OLDSCHOOLRANGER. But but but, then the hate cops and America crowd would look foolish, ya don't want that do ya. POWDERMAN.  :o :o

You approve of the way that the Deputy Inspector walked up to the women corralled behind the police barrier, trapped... then sprayed them in the face, then casually walked away? No assistance? No arrest? No 'use of force' report? Is that what you want from our peace officers?

It might be, directed against those people? Explain your own position?
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011, 12:25:48 PM »
what is going  on??
is this a start of what we all have to look forward to??




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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 12:46:35 PM »

THIS IS A COPY AND PASTE FROM THE ABOVE VIDEO

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This happened this morning. Marissa was simply filming and the cops forcefully surrounded her, did not read her her rights, did not give her any reason for arrest despite the fact that she was not resisting arrest. She was violently handled!

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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2011, 12:58:01 PM »

SGT Bologna is a coward, a torturer of women, and should be prosecuted, and hopefully will be. I believe he has a record of some similar kind of incident against an anti-Bush demonstrator from a few years back.
 

Oh, I see Bologna must be a republican.

I agree if it was proven that the women did nothing to deserve the spraying, then he should be punished for it. Cops are human, and humans from all walks of life do some stupid and violent things. One bad cop does not make the whole lot bad.   
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2011, 01:04:13 PM »
AND  A COP THAT  PROTECTS A BAD COP......IS ALSO A BAD COP
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2011, 01:38:52 PM »
  As I have often said; we have an idiot or two up on this end of the state...they just don't run around in such big bunches as trhey do down there on the eastern "Left coast"..
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2011, 04:40:09 PM »
"Bologna"? Me thinks there might be a little bologna in this story?
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2011, 05:18:34 PM »
SGT Bologna is a coward, a torturer of women, and should be prosecuted, and hopefully will be. 
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2011, 05:44:16 PM »
If they had such a large crowd how is it the camera just happened to be on this incident? The professional protester are trained to bait police officers. These young women knew what they were doing and have been trained to respond of the camera. Being sprayed with pepper is no big deal. The dumb ass here was the cop who fell for this Kodak Moment. This allows the Limp Wristed Liberals to scream torture, police state and all the other National Socialist slogans. Obama has set up an SS style web reporting page. You can report anyone who Attacks Obama. This is ignored by these freedom protecting left wingers. ::)

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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2011, 05:58:34 PM »
If they had such a large crowd how is it the camera just happened to be on this incident? The professional protester are trained to bait police officers. These young women knew what they were doing and have been trained to respond of the camera. Being sprayed with pepper is no big deal. The dumb ass here was the cop who fell for this Kodak Moment. This allows the Limp Wristed Liberals to scream torture, police state and all the other National Socialist slogans. Obama has set up an SS style web reporting page. You can report anyone who Attacks Obama. This is ignored by these freedom protecting left wingers. ::)

Exactly sidewinder, on another thread, the original poster admitted that the police nubering 3 to 5 hundred in his estimation had the protesters outnumbered 3 to one in this as he said, "HUGE" protest. Nothing but a few fruits and nuts mixed in with a low budget professional protest. These fithsy little trouble makes ot much less than they deserved.
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2011, 06:00:42 PM »
If they had such a large crowd how is it the camera just happened to be on this incident?
Easy answer, obvious to any observant person - there were many dozens of cameras onscene. Lots of people carry them - ever heard of Youtube? Look at a few of the clips on the web of this even - they're from many angles, many locations, same time. There will be more as folks there upload them. Look at the clip I provided; note how many people are walking around with cameras in their hands, including NYPD photogs.

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The professional protester are trained to bait police officers. These young women knew what they were doing and have been trained to respond of the camera. Being sprayed with pepper is no big deal.

No big deal? You go spray a cop with some pepper spray, and let us know how that works out for you. Or pick a few citizens, give 'em a squirt. Be very careful to pick only those much smaller than you, that aren't carrying weapons.
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2011, 06:34:04 PM »
Are you so out of touch that you don't understand assaulting police officers is a felony? What kind of society would we have in a nation of laws that would allow the peace keepers to be attacked? This nation is not a playground sandbox. We do not live by childish values, Tit for Tat kill my dog I'll kill your cat. We have established laws of conduct which are protected by legal and established law enforcement. They are given the right of force to protect society. The force they used to control this crowd was in the bounds of reasonable. This was an organized group of trained protester paid for by Michael Moore for his next movie. Moore has made over 33 million dollars with these stunts. How much has he given to the poor?? Where is his millions invested?? Wall Street of course. ::)

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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2011, 06:51:56 PM »
Are you so out of touch that you don't understand assaulting police officers is a felony?
Out of touch? I dunno... but didn't you write that 'Being sprayed with pepper is no big deal'? I'll predict it would be a big deal if someone pepper-sprayed you.

Did any of those women pepper-sprayed in that first clip at the top of this thread, assault the police? I don't think they did. I'll be glad to be shown wrong on that.
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2011, 08:35:40 PM »

You approve of the way that the Deputy Inspector walked up to the women corralled behind the police barrier, trapped... then sprayed them in the face, then casually walked away? No assistance? No arrest? No 'use of force' report? Is that what you want from our peace officers?

It might be, directed against those people? Explain your own position?
YT - Pray tell, how do you know that none of the above things highlighted in your post were not done?
     Since you seem to know, that the above things "were not done", I guess you also know that NYPD has department assigned officers video taping the demonstrators, to assist them in identifying those demonstrators that were behaving in a tumultuous manner.  So if you really want film of the incident prior to the demonstrators being pepper sprayed, I suggest that you contact the NYPD video unit.  BTW, Lots of luck.  Those demonstrators who were in violation of the law in NY, were liable to be arrested with the use of physical force if necessary.  As I stated the use of pepper spray is an acceptable use of force in lieu of use of a more serious physical force (head knocking) to stop, arrest such behavior.  Or is that what you think the Police should have done instead? :o
     Really, did these liberal nitwits think that they could do what they want, and then cry  :'( because someone pepper sprays them? ::) And to paraphrase Baretta (the TV show), "Don't do the crime, if you don't want to do the time (in this case be pepper sprayed).
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2011, 08:48:41 PM »
I was present on Saturday, Sept 24 around 6th Ave and 12th St,,,I gave a report in another thread. It was a awfully hot and muggy day. I can imagine how pepper spray works when your sweat glands have moistened your skin and face.....I saw SGT Bologna,,,and I saw him spray people, mostly young women, when they weren't looking or expecting it after they were corralled and held by blue shirts; just as you saw him spray the women in the video from behind....JUST LIKE THAT!  From what I could see the riot was a cop instilled riot against people demonstrating, what prompted them to go ballistic I don't know, but I believe it was the fact that the demonstrators were talking to people on the street activiely engaging them in discussions....and the cops overheard alot of sympathy with their 99% cause.   This is, of course, verboten...
 
SGT Bologna is a coward, a torturer of women, and should be prosecuted, and hopefully will be. I believe he has a record of some similar kind of incident against an anti-Bush demonstrator from a few years back.
 
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TM - My, my, you are a really busy fella, you just "happen" to be everywhere are you? ??? ::)   I'm waiting for you to tell everyone here you were one of the people sprayed. :o

I see that your accuracy in describing details has also degraded, or is it your fairy tale story telling ability that has suffered? :-\

Regarding this statement from you: "I don't know, but I believe it was the fact that the demonstrators were talking to people on the street activiely engaging them in discussions....and the cops overheard alot of sympathy with their 99% cause." I have to apologize in advance, but I don't know how to say this differently. I call Bull Spit on this statement.
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2011, 01:44:06 AM »
The reason she was pepper sprayed is that she had been spitting on the police. In most jurisdictions this is a felony. I am still thinking this is bologna.
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2011, 02:23:18 AM »
YT - Pray tell, how do you know that none of the above things highlighted in your post were not done?
The folks involved say there were not given any medical assistance. The LEO who does the macing walks off. None of the women depicted were arrested at that time (one was a while later in a diff area, unrelated).
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     Since you seem to know, that the above things "were not done", I guess you also know that NYPD has department assigned officers video taping the demonstrators, to assist them in identifying those demonstrators that were behaving in a tumultuous manner.  So if you really want film of the incident prior to the demonstrators being pepper sprayed, I suggest that you contact the NYPD video unit.
Yes, they're seen in the video clips doing filming of their own, gathering evidence to be used to prosecute.
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BTW, Lots of luck.
You're thinking that the NYPD wouldn't be very forthcoming in sharing the video they shot?


Well, I posted a video of the ladies being pepper sprayed. Most here seem to have not problem with it. Very instructive.
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2011, 05:16:02 AM »
Nope TM it is true they were spitting on the cops do your research.

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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2011, 05:36:16 AM »
Spitting on people is what’s referred to under many states laws as "An Act of a Provoked Nature". It is a crime. And just because in this case Bologna was not spit on by the women does not mean he can't use resistance to protect the cops that had been spit on.
 
If this spitting really happened, then the use of pepper spray is reasonable. If true then a mistake was made by the police. They should have arrested the women and charged them with this crime. I think their failure to arrest the women created the ability for these protesters to exploit the issue.
 
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2011, 11:22:36 AM »
Do you think its not possible that any of these protesters spit on the police? Is it possible they did anything else to provoke the response? Just asking here I really don;t know. Seems as though the reporting on whats going on is minimal.
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2011, 01:14:15 PM »
Do you think its not possible that any of these protesters spit on the police? Is it possible they did anything else to provoke the response? Just asking here I really don;t know. Seems as though the reporting on whats going on is minimal.
I think it possible. I think more likely - or mostly - it's BS, kind of like people who talk about soldiers getting spat upon when they returned from Vietnam.For every incident that actually happened, there's about a gazillion accusations, and they're all about polytics not facts.
 
the specific subject of the thread  - the women who were corraled behind the barrier and victims of Inspector Balogna's drive-by spraying... I've seen clips of that from a couple diff camera angles, and no evidence of them spitting. The officers coralling them don't look pissed. The tall bald guy between the camera and the victims looks like he's thinking, "what the hell is Bologna doing?" (see the segment between 0:43 and 0:59 in the video at the top of this thread). One eyewitness has described this officer as having stared in disbelief, and saying, 'I can’t believe he just ****in’ maced her.'

Right now, based on what I've seen, Bologna is a P.O.S. coward and bully. I'll be glad to be shown otherwise.
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2011, 02:12:55 PM »
Do you think its not possible that any of these protesters spit on the police? Is it possible they did anything else to provoke the response? Just asking here I really don;t know. Seems as though the reporting on whats going on is minimal.
I think it possible. I think more likely - or mostly - it's BS, kind of like people who talk about soldiers getting spat upon when they returned from Vietnam.For every incident that actually happened, there's about a gazillion accusations, and they're all about polytics not facts.
 
the specific subject of the thread  - the women who were corraled behind the barrier and victims of Inspector Balogna's drive-by spraying... I've seen clips of that from a couple diff camera angles, and no evidence of them spitting. The officers coralling them don't look pissed. The tall bald guy between the camera and the victims looks like he's thinking, "what the hell is Bologna doing?" (see the segment between 0:43 and 0:59 in the video at the top of this thread). One eyewitness has described this officer as having stared in disbelief, and saying, 'I can’t believe he just ****in’ maced her.'

Right now, based on what I've seen, Bologna is a P.O.S. coward and bully. I'll be glad to be shown otherwise.

The women were spitting on the police officers, a felony, and an officer was called in he pepper sprayed them as he well should have. Simple as that, the parasites side did get a nice bit out it, but when seen in its full context, nothing but well done police work.
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2011, 04:24:56 PM »
The women were spitting on the police officers, a felony, and an officer was called in he pepper sprayed them as he well should have. Simple as that, the parasites side did get a nice bit out it, but when seen in its full context, nothing but well done police work.

None of that has been shown to be true, but I'll be glad to see the evidence. In the meanwhile...

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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
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Re: An important video to watch: NYPD Inspector assault peaceful protestors
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2011, 08:57:05 PM »
The reason she was pepper sprayed is that she had been spitting on the police. In most jurisdictions this is a felony. I am still thinking this is bologna.

This is a red herring insertion....Demonsrartors weren't assaulting anybody...they planned to be there for a long occupation. Cops started the ruckus, not the women...lots of cameras everywhere. Perhaps Bloomberg/Kelly wanted to break up the 'occupation' and there was a FDNY marathon scheduled for the area, too.
 
 
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