Yellowtail3, what philosophy would solve all the worlds problems?

[blind ear]

Explain it all to me please.
 
ear

[Cabin4]

I can't wait to see this.

[Junior1942]

The world would be a better place if we would quit trying to make everyone else become middle-class Americans.  It's as simple as that. Let other people think, act, look and believe as they want.

[Lost Farmboy]

  So Junior, do you want to stop taxing the rich until they become middle class or are you against helping the poor to become middle class?

[Junior1942]

  So Junior, do you want to stop taxing the rich until they become middle class or are you against helping the poor to become middle class?

Have you stopped beating your wife?  The topic is about the world's problems, not about taxes.  But since you brought it up, we can either make Big Oil pay USA income tax or the middle class will pay more USA income tax. 

[magooch]

How about the philosophy that all governments and especially ours, quit spending more money than it can collect from nominal taxes.  And how about a philosophy where we don't fight extended wars with troops on the ground.  And mostly, people should get over the idea that someone owes them a living and there is only one big pie and you have to somehow get a piece of it; bake your own.
 
That would be my version of a better world, but I'm not going to hold my breath ....

[yellowtail3]

Yellowtail3, what philosophy would solve all the worlds problems? Explain it all to me please.
 
ear

I don't have near enough wisdom to think I can field that one, but since you asked... I'll start with recommending Matthew 7:12, just as a starting point.
 

[BBF]

IMO the original Post was a T R O L L  attempt to stir the pot !![/size]

[lakota]

  ...It's as simple as that. Let other people think, act, look and believe as they want.

Well this statement pretty much rules out the liberal agenda. The only party that would ever allow this to happen would be the Libertarian Party but they are to "extreme" for most folks.

[blind ear]

 As a matter if fact I didn't think anyone would reply.
 
 Yall are doing well.
 
 I especially didn't think yellowtail3 would reply.
 
 Yt3, I would look it up but I don't have a bible. (I'll Google it.)
 
 Thanks, ear

[yellowtail3]

I especially didn't think yellowtail3 would reply. Yt3, I would look it up but I don't have a bible. 
 Thanks, ear

Why did you think I wouldn't reply? I'm always up for discussions. The verse I referenced records the words of Jesus:
 
"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

[blind ear]

I especially didn't think yellowtail3 would reply. Yt3, I would look it up but I don't have a bible. 
 Thanks, ear

Why did you think I wouldn't reply? I'm always up for discussions. The verse I referenced records the words of Jesus:
 
"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

 
 
Big subject, bigger demand. ear

[Cabin4]

  So Junior, do you want to stop taxing the rich until they become middle class or are you against helping the poor to become middle class?

Have you stopped beating your wife?  The topic is about the world's problems, not about taxes.  But since you brought it up, we can either make Big Oil pay USA income tax or the middle class will pay more USA income tax.

WHy only big oil? What about others? Should we not expect that all pay a fair share?

[Swampman]

Do unto others as you would have then do unto you.

[Shu]

YT3,
Excellent reply. That is a solution that would sove a multitude of problems.

[Junior1942]

  So Junior, do you want to stop taxing the rich until they become middle class or are you against helping the poor to become middle class?

Have you stopped beating your wife?  The topic is about the world's problems, not about taxes.  But since you brought it up, we can either make Big Oil pay USA income tax or the middle class will pay more USA income tax.

WHy only big oil? What about others? Should we not expect that all pay a fair share?

All but big oil pay a fair share of USA income taxes.  No one else gets 15% off the top.

[mcwoodduck]

Capitalism.  No if ands or butts.
Capitalism is the best way to employ raw materials, capital, labor and innovation.
If there is a profit to be made, and a market to sell people will make the product.
the profit encourages others to get into the market creating new products, cheaper products or better quality products.
Creating new products (from consumer goods to production goods creates demands for labor that raises incomes.  This raise in income creates disposable incomes that demand more goods expanding the market and goods and services both demanded and offered.
The problem we have now with our Capitailism is that there are groups that do not have a financial steak in the process making desicions on what you can do with your property, limiting options, limiting labor, resources, capital, and innovation/ research.
Add to that government intervention, punitive tax system, and the Nimby problems that are exaserbated by the local do gooders that do not want you to turn your field where they walk their dog or use it for a garden into houses, factory, or retail.  Not to mention any raw materials in or on the property.  The limitations of the goods or services that the resource cna generate artificially raises costs on all other parts of  economics except for capital and labor.  These rules and regulations are needed to protect the public from faulty buildings or products, but there is a problem when congress offers tax incentives for getting into a business that you would not do if there were nto the tax incentive (solar and wind anyone)

[Cabin4]

  So Junior, do you want to stop taxing the rich until they become middle class or are you against helping the poor to become middle class?

Have you stopped beating your wife?  The topic is about the world's problems, not about taxes.  But since you brought it up, we can either make Big Oil pay USA income tax or the middle class will pay more USA income tax.

WHy only big oil? What about others? Should we not expect that all pay a fair share?

All but big oil pay a fair share of USA income taxes.  No one else gets 15% off the top.

GE is no oil company and they paid 0 federal tax. We have people that earn a salary as private citizens and they pay 0 federal tax under the current scale.

[mcwoodduck]

Not a fan of GE but they paid no tax on 1.5 Billion in profit because they had losses the years before that offset the tax.
The oil companies make Billions in profit off the sale of fuel vital to the working of our economy.  Raising taxes on them will raise the costs of fuel.  Oil companies are also unique in that they have use taxes added to the product directly from federal, state and some times local (county and city) taxes on top of sales tax.  There is a problem when government that does nothing to produce a gallon of fuel makes 3 times the profit on a gallon of fuel than does the company that spends money exploring, refining, innotating, distrubuting that product that is vital to the rest of the economy.
You have morons that use class warfare to make you jelouse of their success.  And you moan and groan at the price of that fuel that is mostly taxes and you say we need more taxes on that product. Also most Pension plans or diverse 401K plans include holdings in oil companies.  Adding taxes to the fuel will increase the costs of everything else, increasing the prices only causes less of that item to be demanded and fewer workes needed, causing fewer products needed as there is less $ moving in the economy.
Creating a fair tax system that does not punnish our economy.  Corperate taxes at 15% flat.  Remove siun and use taxes.  Sin taxes like those ATF (there is a reason why that agency was created and use taxes like the phone, power, and fuel.
 

[Cabin4]

I can certainly agree with much of that MCW!

[mcwoodduck]

Horse hockey many of the founders see equalivant to today's billionaires.
I do not see any of them wanting to limit wealth, or commerce. I suspect that the author wants to rewrite history, like the group the made Thomas Jefferson sleep with his slaves, when it was his brother that had. 

[rio grande]

Capitalism.  No if ands or butts..........

Some folks don't want to hear about God. I used to be one of them. 
But if we only could  "Do unto others as we would have them do unto us."  and "Love our neighbor as ourselves" how instantly and completely the world would change.  No need for police or armies - how much suffering would cease. Instantly.  How simple.

Capitalism won't work as long as we ignore God.
Same for socialism.
With God, either would work just fine.

Until we are new men, all our schemes, no matter the original motivation, will prove unsatisfactory.
To change the world,  each of us first must change. We can't do it by ourselves. We must ask God.

".... the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts."  -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

[woodchukhntr]

Jesus is the answer.  The whole world is in rebellion against God and where has it gotten us?

[Lost Farmboy]

  So Junior, do you want to stop taxing the rich until they become middle class or are you against helping the poor to become middle class?

Have you stopped beating your wife?  The topic is about the world's problems, not about taxes.  But since you brought it up, we can either make Big Oil pay USA income tax or the middle class will pay more USA income tax.

 
Junior, that's hitting below the belt. In 20 years of marriage I never hit my wife one time. And never will!


What you said was the solution was, “stop trying to make everyone middle class”. There are 3 steps to make everyone middle class. 1. Steel from the rich, (taxes) until they become middle class. 2 Help the poor to become middle class. Give them a job and make them work. 3 Kill everyone that does not comply.


In history we have 2 examples of this. The USSR and China.


I assumed you were apposed to step 3. So I asked which of the first 2 you were apposed to.


Your previous post show that you favor taxing the rich and helping the poor. Your solution appears to say you should stop being you. ( tax the rich and help the poor)


I missed the Americans in your post. That changes the meaning of it. Sorry I was programed by your class warfare post of the past.

[powderman]

Jesus is the answer.  The whole world is in rebellion against God and where has it gotten us?

 
THats it in a nutshell, and don't take 3,000 words to say it. 2nd try at this post. POWDERMAN. 

[Lost Farmboy]

Jesus is the answer.  The whole world is in rebellion against God and where has it gotten us?

 
THats it in a nutshell, and don't take 3,000 words to say it. 2nd try at this post. POWDERMAN. 

+1 100%

[mcwoodduck]

Capitalism.  No if ands or butts..........

Some folks don't want to hear about God. I used to be one of them. 
But if we only could  "Do unto others as we would have them do unto us."  and "Love our neighbor as ourselves" how instantly and completely the world would change.  No need for police or armies - how much suffering would cease. Instantly.  How simple.

Capitalism won't work as long as we ignore God.
Same for socialism.
With God, either would work just fine.

Until we are new men, all our schemes, no matter the original motivation, will prove unsatisfactory.
To change the world,  each of us first must change. We can't do it by ourselves. We must ask God.

".... the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts."  -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

I understand that Capitalism is not a religon.  But no matter who you pray to you are less likely to listen to some dork blame another group for  your lack of something (food, water, job,....) if you have a job, can put food on the table for your family and have the ability for upward mobility in society based on your hard work.  If you don't have any prospects it is easy to talk you into doing bad things.  I am not only talking about the Muslium problem but look at European history where Chiristins, Jews, and Druids were all gone after.  Even if we were all one religon that would not stop wars, envy, amd empire building.  Capitalism does nto care about  boarders it only cares about markets, resources, labor and the employment of these to create profits, that produce the best goods demanded, and raise wages do more can be demanded creating new markets and new products, employing more labor again raising wages and creating wealth that can be used to produce and innovate new goods and services with upward mobility for people to provide more for their family.  The services can include education, medicine, food service, luxury items like running water and plumbing and keeping those systems going.

[Cabin4]

Our countries ills are based in the entitlement mind set, Union corruption, wasteful over spending,stupid wars, lack of a domestic energy plan, poor foreign policy and pandering to minorities and illegal’s. With the exception of the wars and poor foreign policy, the Occupy Wall Street crowd wants more of the rest.

[Cabin4]

I'd like to know who and what money is behind the Wall Street crowd. There is a group strategizing and getting money to organize those events.

[mcwoodduck]

MCWD:
You saying Jesus was a capitalist or a socialist..? Probably both...but I don't remember him ministering to the upper crust, or supporting their eltitism or money changers...or Pharaseic banking system; or bowing to them as you do.. In fact, quite the opposite....he was in their face. I can not honestly say that Mathew 7:12 is the starting point for capital monetarism, can you?
 
Regardless of the economic system a society operates under,,,a healthy injecture of spirituality is nice to have...lest one have the predatory and gotcha system we now have in this country, or the reciprocal we found in the USSR. The Founders knew this and the danger of misbegotten wealth and influence....
 
..TM7

I am not saying Jesus was either.  I did not bring him up.or any other. on purpose.  Christians fought each other for years look at Ireland for proof.
The founders undertstood mob rule.and that was the reason you needed to own land to vote.  They realized that a bunch of have nots would vote them selves money from the haves and we have seen that happen in Rome and now we have seen it happen here over the last 150 years..