Question for smokers

[Old Fart]

AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

That's for sure! 

[XD40SC]

Don't you think it should be the choice of the owner of the bar or restaurant, whether or not they allow smoking in their establishment? How is it the state governments position to outlaw a legal activity in a privately owned establishment? Or anyone else's business for that matter.

Amen.  In Ohio there were "Private" clubs established to try to get around the ban, but the State came back and said that if the "Club" had 1 or more hired employee smoking was illegal unless it's a private residence.  My sister-in-law gets $1800.00 a year to paint her house because she lives next to AK STEEL and her house turns black.  Bet that crap's worse than smoking.

that's like saying getting shot with a 45 is worse than a 40 cal.

[tattoo13]

With out taking sides either way, the question I have is why someone that wants to open a business that allows smoking and caters to the smoker is forced to obey a law that says they can't do it.
If the owner were to place a sign on the door stating that this business allows smoking then I don't see where anyone has the right to complain.

Because too many Americans are afflicted with entitlement disease.
They feel it is their right to patronize establishments on their terms and in a way that makes them happy, to hell with the person who owns the place, the one who pays the bills... Sad.

For what it is worth I am a ex-smoker and I hate being around smoking, I enjoy going to bars now there is no smoking, but I also feel it is a bunch of crap for the Government (at any level) to tell a private business what they can and can not allow in their place of business. If my local tap started allowing smoking I would simply deal with it or no long patronize their establishment. Simple.

[XD40SC]

I can see opening up the window to flick ashes. Opening the window to let out the smoke doesn't make any sense to me. Those who don't use their ash trays- what do you do with the butts?

[45-70.gov]

you hear a man using fowl language  in front of you child?
do you asy something?
do you point out children are present?
what do you think of that person?
would you even resort to  a physical confrontaion with that person should they continue?
DO YOU USE PROFANITY IN FRONT OF CHILDREN?


now ask yourself the same questions regarding  SMOKING


one  is proven to be very un-healthy....
the other is just in bad taste


a never cared what others did in front of my children
they grew up and still think
people that smoke are stupid and will die younger
people that curse are stupid and just un-educated
i never felt  right about telling other than  my kids what to do
i don't care if you smoke crack....me kids know better

[XD40SC]

I can see opening up the window to flick ashes. Opening the window to let out the smoke doesn't make any sense to me. Those who don't use their ash trays- what do you do with the butts?

No answer to my question ? Humm. Hope you are not guilty of the following--
3) "Cigarette butts are the number one source of litter in the U.S. representing over 34% of all debris collected in community cleanups. Food wrappers, caps and lids, and beverage bottles are the next most littered items. Cigarettes are not biodegradable, in fact, the white fibers in the filters are not cotton, but are composed of cellulose acetate which is a plastic designed to capture toxins. “Its very purpose is to trap chemicals, so in those butts there are chemicals that can leach out into the soil and groundwater,” said Jane Ferry of Keep Orlando Beautiful. Environmental conditions vary, but cigarette filters may take anywhere from 18 months to 10 years to degrade."
Source and further information:
http://www.cityoforlando.net/Executive/Communications/news/06_08_18_kob.htm


4) "Cigarette filters are made from cellulose acetate and is biodegradable, however depending on environmental conditions it can be resistant to degradation. Accordingly, the duration of the degradation process is cited as taking as little as 1 month to 3 years to as long as 10-15 years.
This variance in rate and resistance to biodegradation in many conditions is a factor in littering and environmental damage. It is estimated that 4.5 trillion cigarette butts become litter every year. In the 2006 International Coastal Cleanup, cigarettes and cigarette butts constituted 24.7% of the total collected garbage, over twice as much as any other category.
Cigarette butts contain the chemicals filtered from cigarettes and can leach into waterways and water supplies.
Cellulose acetate and carbon particles breathed in from cigarette filters is suspected of causing lung damage."
Source and further information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette#Cigarette_litter
  Comments

• they are litter and should not be dumped
  thank for the precise information above
   
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• sharpjwe: you are very welcome!
   
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• thanks...I suspected that they were...since they seem to be everywhere. People think nothing of just tossing their filters anywhere:(
   
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• DA BEN DAN: you are welcome.
  :-)
   
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[briarpatch]

When I smoked I would flick the butt out of the window more often than use an ashtray. It was a lot easier.
When they banned smoking in the restaurants in Florida I would not vote for it. I believed if I did not want to be around smoke I could go else where. However It gave me a lot more places to go without smoke or someone next to me smoking while I tried to eat.

[1marty]

Up until 1980 I smoked 3 packs a day. My brother who smoked too got lung cancer about that time and died within 3 months. Like me he survived Vietnam but the cigs killed him. I haven't smoked since 1980 and I wonder today why I ever started.

[Lon371]

I can see opening up the window to flick ashes. Opening the window to let out the smoke doesn't make any sense to me. Those who don't use their ash trays- what do you do with the butts?

No answer to my question ? Humm. Hope you are not guilty of the following--
3) "Cigarette butts are the number one source of litter in the U.S. representing over 34% of all debris collected in community cleanups. Food wrappers, caps and lids, and beverage bottles are the next most littered items. Cigarettes are not biodegradable, in fact, the white fibers in the filters are not cotton, but are composed of cellulose acetate which is a plastic designed to capture toxins. “Its very purpose is to trap chemicals, so in those butts there are chemicals that can leach out into the soil and groundwater,” said Jane Ferry of Keep Orlando Beautiful. Environmental conditions vary, but cigarette filters may take anywhere from 18 months to 10 years to degrade."
Source and further information:
http://www.cityoforlando.net/Executive/Communications/news/06_08_18_kob.htm


4) "Cigarette filters are made from cellulose acetate and is biodegradable, however depending on environmental conditions it can be resistant to degradation. Accordingly, the duration of the degradation process is cited as taking as little as 1 month to 3 years to as long as 10-15 years.
This variance in rate and resistance to biodegradation in many conditions is a factor in littering and environmental damage. It is estimated that 4.5 trillion cigarette butts become litter every year. In the 2006 International Coastal Cleanup, cigarettes and cigarette butts constituted 24.7% of the total collected garbage, over twice as much as any other category.
Cigarette butts contain the chemicals filtered from cigarettes and can leach into waterways and water supplies.
Cellulose acetate and carbon particles breathed in from cigarette filters is suspected of causing lung damage."
Source and further information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette#Cigarette_litter
  Comments

• they are litter and should not be dumped
  thank for the precise information above
   
  • Report
  by  on November 21st, 2008
• sharpjwe: you are very welcome!
   
  • Report
  by  on November 21st, 2008
• thanks...I suspected that they were...since they seem to be everywhere. People think nothing of just tossing their filters anywhere:(
   
  • Report
  by  on November 21st, 2008
• DA BEN DAN: you are welcome.
  :-)
   
  • Report
  by  on November 21st, 2008

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 So your reason for starting this post was no more than to say smokers with the window down are litterbugs. Or was it to just bash smokers? From your  first and last post here it is pretty obvious why you posed the question.
 
Lonny

[Drilling Man]

  ONCE AGAIN....  How about those kids, trapped in a car full of smoke??  Do the kids have the right to grow up healthy???
 
  DM

[Old Syko]

Nice baiting job.  I knew where this thread was headed as soon as it opened.  There oughta be a law.  Child welfare.  I'm glad you lost your rights.  Same ole socialist responses one would expect.   

[tattoo13]

  ONCE AGAIN....  How about those kids, trapped in a car full of smoke??  Do the kids have the right to grow up healthy???
 
  DM

Don't kids have to right to parents who will feed them only healthy foods and require the children to maintain a excellent level of fitness?
Shouldn't we remove obese children from their parents, get the kids healthy and only return them once the parents have been reeducated and will keep their children healthy and fit?

Yeah, once you start when does it end?

[45-70.gov]

  ONCE AGAIN....  How about those kids, trapped in a car full of smoke??  Do the kids have the right to grow up healthy???
 
  DM

Don't kids have to right to parents who will feed them only healthy foods and require the children to maintain a excellent level of fitness?
Shouldn't we remove obese children from their parents, get the kids healthy and only return them once the parents have been reeducated and will keep their children healthy and fit?

Yeah, once you start when does it end?

I SAW SOME CHILDREN AT THE GUN RANGE WITH THEIR PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Old Syko]

I SAW SOME CHILDREN AT THE GUN RANGE WITH THEIR PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Used to take mine all the time.  They made good target holders.  The girl was a bit shaky at the beginning but she got better with time.  Of course the asbestos targets helped.    

[XD40SC]

Yikees. Ask a simple question. Sounds like some guilt by those who over reacted. An of course- what would a discussion be without the word socialist being brought up. Can't believe some are so narrow minded that they actually believe doing things to protect children is socialistic. Scary man, just plain scary.AND VERY VERY SAD.

[45-70.gov]

I TAKE THEM TOO!!


that way  i can make them bury  the  TVs  and florescent  bulbs we shoot
I DIDN'T RAISE LITTER BUGS




but what about smoking in front of children as  opposed to  using profanity??
what  is worse??........what is more socially acceptable?....and  why?

[XD40SC]

I TAKE THEM TOO!!


that way  i can make them bury  the  TVs  and florescent  bulbs we shoot
I DIDN'T RAISE LITTER BUGS




but what about smoking in front of children as  opposed to  using profanity??
what  is worse? ?........what is more socially acceptable?....and  why?

depends if you're a capitalist induced socialist or a liberal conservative with libertarian thoughts.

[Old Syko]

Yikees. Ask a simple question. Sounds like some guilt by those who over reacted. An of course- what would a discussion be without the word socialist being brought up. Can't believe some are so narrow minded that they actually believe doing things to protect children is socialistic. Scary man, just plain scary.AND VERY VERY SAD.

I can't believe it is so socially acceptable to use child welfare as a tool to impose ones own beliefs on others.  Now THAT is single minded and sad.  But it is a much easier avenue to travel. 

[XD40SC]

Yikees. Ask a simple question. Sounds like some guilt by those who over reacted. An of course- what would a discussion be without the word socialist being brought up. Can't believe some are so narrow minded that they actually believe doing things to protect children is socialistic. Scary man, just plain scary.AND VERY VERY SAD.

I can't believe it is so socially acceptable to use child welfare as a tool to impose ones own beliefs on others.  Now THAT is single minded and sad.  But it is a much easier avenue to travel.

Yep, no need for child car seats, madates they ride in the back seat until a certain age/size, child porn laws, child abuse laws, not to mention being arrested for leaving a child in a hot car in the summer. How single minded and socialistic. I certainly hope you are trolling, if you are serious- Yikees.

[-Shaggy-]

Would y'all mind holding your breath til I finish this cigarette?    Thanks.

[45-70.gov]

Yikees. Ask a simple question. Sounds like some guilt by those who over reacted. An of course- what would a discussion be without the word socialist being brought up. Can't believe some are so narrow minded that they actually believe doing things to protect children is socialistic. Scary man, just plain scary.AND VERY VERY SAD.

I can't believe it is so socially acceptable to use child welfare as a tool to impose ones own beliefs on others.  Now THAT is single minded and sad.  But it is a much easier avenue to travel.

Yep, no need for child car seats, madates they ride in the back seat until a certain age/size, child porn laws, child abuse laws, not to mention being arrested for leaving a child in a hot car in the summer. How single minded and socialistic. I certainly hope you are trolling, if you are serious- Yikees.

any younger than  18  is just a post birth abortion
bet that law would make teenagers   toe the line

[ratdog]

i worked as a welder and fab mechanic for 26 years .i breathed a lot of crap never smoked .the welding shop after a while when thy changed the laws said no more smoking in the shop so they had to go outside.i could not believe the smokers would go out and smoke when it was 10 degrees out there.i think i would change my habit rather than freeze my  joules off.

[no guns here]

those things give you energy huh?
 
 
NHG

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Ratdog:
 could not believe the smokers would go out and smoke when it was 10 degrees out there.i think i would change my habit rather than freeze my  joules off.

The above just goes to show how additive it is. I and my wife have quit for over 2.5 years after smoking for about 35 years. We moved into our new house six years ago and agreed that we would never smoke in it. We spent way to much time out on the deck either sweating or freezing for those damn cigarettes.
GuzziJohn

[XD40SC]

Nicotine is one of the worst addicting drugs we put in our bodies. It doesn't alter the mind, just ruins your health. Money made by the tobacco industry is blood money.

[geezer56]

I do not smoke, nor have I ever done so.  My dad was a 2 pack a day man.  One of my earliest memories is standing in the seat of his old truck, nose pressed to any crack I could find, trying to breathe.  By the time I was 10, I'd had 2 tracheotomies from allergic reactions.  I had been hospitalized 30 plus times for respiratory problems.  I quit being sick when I left home.  My dad is now dying from emphysema-slowly.  In my estimation, smoking is not a victimless crime.  If you are smoking, everyone around you is helping you, whether they want to or not.  And there are much more efficient methods of suicide. 

[XD40SC]

I do not smoke, nor have I ever done so.  My dad was a 2 pack a day man.  One of my earliest memories is standing in the seat of his old truck, nose pressed to any crack I could find, trying to breathe.  By the time I was 10, I'd had 2 tracheotomies from allergic reactions.  I had been hospitalized 30 plus times for respiratory problems.  I quit being sick when I left home.  My dad is now dying from emphysema-slowly.  In my estimation, smoking is not a victimless crime.  If you are smoking, everyone around you is helping you, whether they want to or not.  And there are much more efficient methods of suicide.

If that doesn't prove the effects of smoking, nothing will. Those who continue to smoke around nonsmokers and children are just selfish, uncaring  people.

[LONGTOM]

If they are going to control it because it is so bad then just ban it.
Same goes for alcohol.
Ban it all.
 
A man at a diner that served beer was sitting in the next booth to me a few years back and after I had finished my meal I was smoking my cig when he turned around and told me to put it out.
He said it was bothering him.
He TOLD me to put it out.
If he would have asked I surely would have with no problem.
I asked if he had another driver because I had watched him drink at least 4 beers while I was there and he was there when I came in.
He said his drinking didn't hurt anyone but my smoking was harmful to all.
I told him his drinking was also because I, along with hundreds of others was going to be on the same road as him in a little while.
When he got up to leave I called the police and gave them his plate # and description of the car.
After I fueled my truck I was on the road about a half hour and came upon a wreak with you guessed it, his car along with a semi jacked in the medium.
I stopped and told them I had called him in.
They took my statement and I was on my way.
 
Both can and do kill in different ways but the end result is the same.
One just seems to take a few more with them at the same time.
 
Like I said, why don't they just ban it all???
Maybe it's all that tax revenue they take in from the sale of it all !!!
 
By the way, no, I haven't quit yet but I haven't given up trying yet either.
I have cut back and will continue to do so until I can stop.
 
 
 
LONGTOM
 

[XD40SC]

I have some friends that were only able to quite after a good scare in the emergency room .

[LONGTOM]

I have some friends that were only able to quite after a good scare in the emergency room .

 
That don't work, been there 4 times already.
 
 
 
LONGTOM