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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2011, 05:01:20 AM »
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Al-Qaeda has also criticized the Obama administration for killing U.S. citizens, saying doing so “contradicts” American law.
“Where are what  they keep talking about regarding freedom, justice, human rights and respect of freedoms?!”

 
HEH, now thats rich. Al queda concerned about human rights?? Get real. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D ;) ;) ;)
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« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2011, 06:03:10 AM »
So when someone is a fugative from justice and resist arrest that's it ? Just forget him ?
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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2011, 06:09:24 AM »
So when someone is a fugative from justice and resist arrest that's it ? Just forget him ?
I doubt seriously if anyone is advocating that. 
 
There is, of course, a huge difference between unchecked presidential power to assasinate, and simply throwing your hands in the air and giving a terrorist free reign.  This country has vast resources and brilliant minds.  That argument that we just can't figure out a way to make this work is incorrect.

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« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2011, 06:12:53 AM »
The man needed to die.  How is irrevelant to me.  The end justified the means.
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« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2011, 06:16:33 AM »
I think it was obama trying to build reelection points like he did with OBL.
If you recall, he went all over the world kissing muslim butts when he was elected.
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« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2011, 06:47:04 AM »
Well said sourdough.
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« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2011, 07:05:08 AM »
The reason Obama killed al-Awlaki was to give the enemy an advantage.

Still confusing terror & crime By JOHN YOO
 Last Updated: 12:21 AM, October 11, 2011
 Posted: 10:13 PM, October 10, 2011
             More Print   Sunday’s New York Times report on the Obama administration’s secret legal justification for the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki shows just how dangerously confused the administration has become about the rules of war.
All of this comes, of course, with the caveat that we are only going on secondhand descriptions of the Office of Legal Counsel opinion (and we should at least note, in passing, that this administration’s members attacked the Bush folks for not making similar national-security documents public and have already refused to make public their legal opinions that laughably found the Libya conflict not to be a “war”).
       Let’s give partial credit where it’s due. Apparently, the Obama administration argues that Awlaki was a legitimate target because he was a member of an enemy engaged in hostile conduct against the United States. At least President Obama has figured out that the War on Terror is, in fact, a war and that it isn’t limited just to Afghanistan.
We should be thankful that Obama officials have quietly put aside the arguments they made during the Bush years that any terrorist outside the Afghani battlefield was a criminal suspect who deserved his day in federal court. I’d rather the Obama folks be hypocrites in favor of protecting national security than principled fools (which they are free to be in faculty lounges both before and after their time in government).
But that former world-view of terrorism still infects its decisions, to the country’s detriment. According to the reports, the Obama administration believed that force could only be used against Awlaki because arrest was impractical and he posed an imminent threat to the United States. This is plainly wrong.
It may make for good policy, especially toward US citizens who make the mistake of joining the enemy, but there is no legal reason why a nation at war must try to apprehend an enemy instead of shooting at him first. Every member of the enemy armed forces and leadership is a legitimate target in wartime, regardless of whether he can be caught or poses an imminent threat.
In fact, the Obama administration continues to confuse war with crime; the idea that you must try to arrest first and can only use force against an imminent attack is the standard that applies to the police, not the military.
Think of the operation to kill Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto in World War II. He was well behind the lines, flying from one military base to another. He didn’t pose an “imminent” threat of attack on America at that moment. The United States didn’t need to ask whether it could have forced Yamamoto’s plane down first and captured him. It was allowed to kill him, just as it could kill any other member of the Japanese military, regardless of his threat.
It may be that the Obama administration thinks that US citizens who join the enemy are entitled to special rules -- like those that apply to the police, instead of those that apply to the military. But this would be wrong, too.
Ever since the Civil War our national leaders and the Supreme Court have agreed that a citizen who joins the enemy must suffer the consequences of his belligerency, with the same status as that of an alien enemy.
Think of the incentives that the strange Obama hybrid rule creates. Our al Qaeda enemy will want to recruit American agents, who will benefit from criminal-justice rules that give them advantages in carrying out operations against us (like the right to remain silent, to Miranda and lawyers, to a speedy jury trial, etc.).
Our troops and agents could well hesitate in the field, because they wouldn’t be able to tell in the heat of the moment whether an enemy is American or not.
Obama remains trapped by his liberal pieties, and those biases will reduce the reach of American arms and bless the enemy with undeserved advantages.
John Yoo is a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a co-editor of “Confronting Terror: 9/11 and the Future of American National Security.” From National Review Online.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/still_confusing_terror_crime_MGmsaDpWRhhhaHrQvhe64L#ixzz1aUPAePk9

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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2011, 07:06:11 AM »
The man needed to die.  How is irrevelant to me.  The end justified the means.

 
SOURDOUGH. BUGEYE. Agreed Sirs.
Alwaki  was expendable to obama and his agenda, it's all about votes. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2011, 08:25:59 AM »
So when someone is a fugative from justice and resist arrest that's it ? Just forget him ?
I doubt seriously if anyone is advocating that. 
 
There is, of course, a huge difference between unchecked presidential power to assasinate, and simply throwing your hands in the air and giving a terrorist free reign.  This country has vast resources and brilliant minds.  That argument that we just can't figure out a way to make this work is incorrect.

Do you know of any law that allows this action ? If the president knows this man is involved in a plot to harm Americans what is his duty ?
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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2011, 08:32:22 AM »
So when someone is a fugative from justice and resist arrest that's it ? Just forget him ?
I doubt seriously if anyone is advocating that. 
 
There is, of course, a huge difference between unchecked presidential power to assasinate, and simply throwing your hands in the air and giving a terrorist free reign.  This country has vast resources and brilliant minds.  That argument that we just can't figure out a way to make this work is incorrect.

Do you know of any law that allows this action ? If the president knows this man is involved in a plot to harm Americans what is his duty ?
don't know about the law, but I agree on killing him, but it should have been done quietly by the cia and not get in front of news cameras and crow about it.  reelection ploy only.
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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2011, 08:40:45 AM »
Old fashioned "Good Sheriffs" cut down a lot on the need for prosecutors and trials. Counties had much less trouble with vagrants, bums, thugs and trouble making outsiders also. "escaped in transit and never seen again". At least that is what I heard. ear
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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2011, 10:14:27 AM »
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so do any of you have a problem with this?


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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2011, 10:27:46 AM »
So did any of them help dress the underwear bomber ?
I don't think any of us know all the facts. We assume things . Like the big man said trust but verify .
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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2011, 10:33:46 AM »
So did any of them help dress the underwear bomber ?
I don't think any of us know all the facts. We assume things . Like the big man said trust but verify .


None have been charged with a crime... They believe in FREEDOM and are considered TERRORIST as they all feel they have a RIGHT to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS as well as they are ALL ARMED... THE DRONES ARE IN THE AIR... SOON THESE TERRORIST WILL BE GONE.



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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2011, 10:57:15 AM »
So did any of them help dress the underwear bomber ?
I don't think any of us know all the facts. We assume things . Like the big man said trust but verify .

 
Yes he did. It was the FBI and CIA that helped the underwear bomber so they could get us to except the naked body scanners. They talked him into representing himself like they do all their patsies.


Underwear patsy is now going on trial. He wants Kurt Haskell to testify. If the truth comes out in this trial it will make Fast and Furious look like a misdemeanor. Kurt is a lawyer that saw the whole thing on the plane.



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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #75 on: October 11, 2011, 11:04:51 AM »
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so do any of you have a problem with this?


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No news here. Me and TM7 are probably on the red list. The rest of ya all on the blue list.
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« Reply #76 on: October 11, 2011, 11:14:36 AM »
I was talking Matt's list .
 
But that is interesting if true.
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« Reply #77 on: October 11, 2011, 11:19:08 AM »
I'm not to worried about it. I've seen the elephant.
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« Reply #78 on: October 11, 2011, 11:28:02 AM »
I was talking Matt's list .
 
But that is interesting if true.

 
I thought you were talking about al-Awlaki's buddies killed with him. I was in America when underwear patsy got dressed.
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #79 on: October 11, 2011, 11:32:50 AM »
take it a step farther , like when the death pannel decides you aren't worth giving treatment under the new health care laws .
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« Reply #80 on: October 11, 2011, 01:00:56 PM »
SHOOTALL has now been added to the list for his Public comments on the Health Care Bill and the panel that judges it.


Please be advised anyone voicing dissent against the government will be added to the list.


Are you still ok with it?


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« Reply #81 on: October 11, 2011, 01:02:57 PM »
BREAKING NEWS..... GBO MEMBERS ADDED TO THE HIT LIST:


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so do any of you have a problem with this?


Matt

 
No news here. Me and TM7 are probably on the red list. The rest of ya all on the blue list.


Nope quite sure I am on the RED list... Buts thats ok... at least with the drones it will be quick, right?


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Re: American citizens can be placed on a kill list and Obummer knows........
« Reply #82 on: October 11, 2011, 01:05:40 PM »
OldSchoolRanger posted an excellent article.  It brings up the important distinction of 'is it crime or is it war?'  That's a huge difference.
 
  I have thought all along that we are at war.  The current leadership of this country doesn't see it that way, but now they want to act like thay do.  If they admitted all along that this was a war, I wouldn't really have a problem with the killing.  They are calling this a global law enforcement operation, not war.  I have a huge problem with cruise missiles being used for law enforcement.  Maybe some of you current or retired LE guys can clue me in here; assasination isn't generally considered to be a law enforcement tool.  Is it?  No?  Didn't think so.
 
  Like  many of us keep saying; this isn't realy about AlWaki, it's about the precedent of the government killing citizens.
 
  They killed a US citizen acused of commiting crimes.  We can argue all day that he had it coming (he did, IMO) or that he was an enemy combatant in a war (Yep) but that doesn't change the legal precedent.  Our opinoins of him as an enemy combatant don't mean squat.  Our government's legal definition of him as a criminal mean everything.  We are allowing the goverment to define him as a criminal and to say it's OK to kill a criminal without due process.  That's the catch.  Reality doesn't mean anything, the legal precedent means everything.  How can any of you not see that?  That legal precedent may one day be used to assasinate accused law breakers here.  Was killing this POS worth the price we may pay for it down the line?
 
  In his death he may have set the example that leads to more American deaths.  Death at the hands of our own government.  If that's so, then he is more successful at destroying us after death than he could have ever hoped to be in life.
 
 

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« Reply #83 on: October 11, 2011, 01:25:01 PM »
Wow do you think they are watching me with a predator in my bow stand right now? Just flipped em the bird. I learned a long time ago, if ya don't wanna have to watch over your shoulder all the time, don't do anything wrong!

He got what he deserved.
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« Reply #84 on: October 11, 2011, 04:29:48 PM »
He got what he deserved.

  Yes, but that's hardly the point.
 
  Think about this for a minute.  Last year, this same government of ours was having battlefield captured Saudi AQ terrorists turned over to the FBI who promptly read them their Miranda warnings.  (That was stupid)  Now, they are cruise misiling a US born target.  Why the kid gloves with the Saudi born Jihadis and the hardball with the US citizen?  This doesn't make sense.  This can't be a practical decision.  This can go nowhere good.
 
  Like I said before, I'm not shedding a tear for this POS.  It's the long term ramifications of the governmen't actions that should keep us all on our toes.
 
  Getting distracted by the fact that the target had it coming is drawing attention away from where this chain of events is coming from and going to. 
 
 
  And, no, I don't think that they are watching you in your tree stand.  Still not a bad idea to throw up the finger.  Just in case. ;)

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« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2011, 05:04:12 PM »
Didn't get me, I was waiting to hear that clicking sound!
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« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2011, 02:11:03 AM »
SHOOTALL has now been added to the list for his Public comments on the Health Care Bill and the panel that judges it.


Please be advised anyone voicing dissent against the government will be added to the list.


Are you still ok with it?


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sure why not , the wife says she will only keep me until the insurance is worth more ,
 
I'm used to it
 
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« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2011, 02:57:51 AM »
No clicking sound yet!
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« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2011, 03:38:55 AM »
If we go back to the subject , "can be placed on a kill list" no one seems to know how . Before we get paranoid why not find out how ? What procedures were followed ? Is there precedent for this ? Was the SC involved ? I agree as a citizen we have rights but common sense would say if you pose a threat to the USA or citizens of the USA then your rights vs their rights would in extreme cases dictate action to protect those in danger.
When someone puts others in danger of death or harm they can defend themselves. First there has to be a threat,second a means of preforming the threat and third action that would lead others to believe you were carrying out the threat. If this man met that criteria then I see nothing wrong with the Govt. protecting citizens.
So until we know these facts or the facts that existed we should refrain from the maybes and what ifs .
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« Reply #89 on: October 12, 2011, 04:33:35 AM »
Slippery slope fer sure but lets see how it was done .
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