Author Topic: How Free is America? (Read 943 times)

nw_hunter · « **on:** October 06, 2011, 11:47:52 AM »

How free is America? Chuck Baldwin says if you believe that we are #1 in the world, you just might be an Ostrich.

http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/?p=4040

SwampThing762 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2011, 02:59:27 PM »

Chuck Baldwin....isn't he one of those nutcases that makes conservatives look foolish?

ST762

billy_56081 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2011, 03:51:26 PM »

What country in this world has more freedoms? Please enlighten me, if you can, or are you just promoting an agenda?

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #3 on:** October 07, 2011, 02:30:29 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on October 06, 2011, 03:51:26 PM

What country in this world has more freedoms?

Laos and New Zealand.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2011, 02:52:01 AM »

Laos? Ahh I think you best look into that one. I live around thousans of Laotian flks, I think they will contest that.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #5 on:** October 07, 2011, 03:27:18 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on October 07, 2011, 02:52:01 AM

Laos? Ahh I think you best look into that one. I did. Lived their for a month last year. It broke my heart last year when I had to admit to my brother inlaw that he was freer than I was.
I live around thousans of Laotian flks, I think they will contest that. I married one 20 years ago, I am very familiar with their war stories. Things changed, they gained freedom and we lost it.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2011, 03:52:40 AM »

The noble savage!

nw_hunter · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2011, 04:03:56 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on October 06, 2011, 03:51:26 PM

What country in this world has more freedoms? Please enlighten me, if you can, or are you just promoting an agenda?

Here we go again! I''m not promoting anything! Did you even read the article?

nw_hunter · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2011, 04:10:55 AM »

Quote from: SwampThing762 on October 06, 2011, 02:59:27 PM

Chuck Baldwin....isn't he one of those nutcases that makes conservatives look foolish?

ST762

Yea! He lives on Mars and comes to visit Earth on weekends

Was there something about the article that led you to believe it was written by a NUT case?

magooch · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2011, 03:56:18 PM »

Quote from: Lost Farmboy on October 07, 2011, 02:30:29 AM

Quote from: billy_56081 on October 06, 2011, 03:51:26 PM
What country in this world has more freedoms?

Laos and New Zealand.

I fully realize that our governments at all levels constantly tries to push here and there on some of our liberties, but it is usually because some do-gooders have put pressure on, or some group of do-gooders have gotten elected. Additionally, sometimes events spawn laws and regulations that turn out to be repressive. Freedom is always under assault, so how is it that New Zealand and Laos differ in their freedoms--specifically and how are they able to fend off the over zealous politicians and regulators?

I have to be honest and admit that there are certain freedoms in this country that I would be fine without, but I'm very aware that one man's freedom is another man's repression. At the same time, I'm hard pressed to think of a major freedom that I am being denied; keeping in mind that I live in a state that has very reasonable gun rights--so far. On the other hand, I can't legally hold a phone to my ear while driving, I have to wear a helmet when I'm riding my motorcycle and I have to wear a seatbelt when I drive. I would be quite surprized to find out that these things are absent in New Zealand.

Oh, and yes I wake up every morning wondering what outrageous new scheme the regime is hatching to pare away at our liberties.

BBF · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2011, 10:00:50 AM »

50 plus years ago that would be easy to answer. The only place I can think of that may have more freedom now would be Switzerland IMO.

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 08, 2011, 03:39:29 PM »

There are good American citizens in jail right now because they didn't pay their taxes. That's not a free country in my book.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 08, 2011, 03:53:58 PM »

Freedom as is defined in this Index, we are not the most free nation anymore thanks to over regulation, free dole entitlements and over taxing from Washington and the State Houses. While we do have "rights" here that may not be afforded in these other countries, the point is we end up scoring lower in other areas driving down the score. Basically, the USA is on the downfall and falling thanks to the low lifes that only take from our system and greed that is sucking off the system.

Gary G · « **Reply #13 on:** October 09, 2011, 05:44:13 PM »

For the ostriches:
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Go fly on an airplane and tell them to keep their hands off you and your belongings because you are a US citizen.

You might learn that you are a government milkcow.

sidewinder319 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 09, 2011, 05:59:15 PM »

Move to a state run by Democrats. See how fast you lose your rights to own firearms and how fast your money is taken for redistribution? Those Liberals that slam Bush ignore California, Illinois, Mass. Conn. all Democrat Gulags.

powderman · « **Reply #15 on:** October 09, 2011, 07:00:27 PM »

There are several countries I'd love to visit, but nowhere else in the world I'd want to live than in The United States of America. POWDERMAN.

gypsyman · « **Reply #16 on:** October 09, 2011, 07:34:49 PM »

It's a loaded question. Can't be answered. If C.Baldwin thinks we're not a free nation, it would depend on what freedoms he's refering to. Would he pack up and go live in Iran, and preach. He might find out he's a lot better off here. If he's refering to 2nd. Amd. freedom, lets see him pack up his AR-15 and head over to England and tell the local bobbies it's for home protection. On the otherhand, if we're talking about freedom to use drugs, I would guess Denmark might be his choice. Or prostitution. Now, if we're looking at economic freedoms, that opens up a whole new can of worms. Country's like India and Pakistan, give loans to there citizens to come to America and buy business's. (ever wonder why alot of motels are owned by Paki's and Indians) And, they pay very little, if any, income tax's, because they're here on a green card. In the mean time, U.S. citizens that go abroad and work for a U.S. company, still pay income tax's. Now, if we're talking about personal freedoms, where does your personal freedom end, and the other guys begins. Grey area. Want to fly on an airline, it's they're plane, so I believe it's they're rules. Want to carry a gun on board, and they don't let you, drive your car. It's your car. Want to carry a gun into my house, as long as I know you, and trust you, carry 10 guns. Just don't light up a cigarette. I might ask to have a pull off of your cigar maybe.

I think C.Baldwin needed to fill up some space for an article. gypsyman

bilmac · « **Reply #17 on:** October 09, 2011, 07:46:30 PM »

I think the US of A is probably one of the last places that is pretty free. I wouldn't want to live in any other country, but if we keep electing socialists, we won't be keeping it.

magooch · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2011, 05:10:45 AM »

November 2012 can't come soon enough.

powderman · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2011, 05:17:01 AM »

Quote

Country's like India and Pakistan, give loans to there citizens to come to America and buy business's. (ever wonder why alot of motels are owned by Paki's and Indians) And, they pay very little, if any, income tax's, because they're here on a green card.

I didn't know that but have wondered about it for a long time. Thanks. POWDERMAN.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2011, 10:55:29 AM »

Quote from: magooch on October 10, 2011, 05:10:45 AM

November 2012 can't come soon enough.

Whats the rush? From the looks of things on here, we will still have another Liberal in the W. H.
Liberal Democrat or Liberal Republican.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2011, 11:01:03 AM »

I did. Lived their for a month last year. It broke my heart last year when I had to admit to my brother inlaw that he was freer than I was.
Well sure they killed the million or so they didn't like .

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** October 10, 2011, 11:03:19 AM »

So why do so many come here ? What do they seek ? New Zeland , try to take your AR over to hunt with it .