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Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« on: October 08, 2011, 05:47:13 AM »
SEATTLE (AP) — Thirty-four Muslim drivers for Hertz claimed they were suspended for praying during work hours, but the company contended they were reprimanded for abusing break times.

Backed by their union, the drivers protested Wednesday outside the Hertz counter at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, where they are based.

"This is an outrageous assault on the rights of these workers and appears to be discriminatory based on their religious beliefs," Tracey A. Thompson, secretary-treasurer of Teamsters Local 117, said in a statement.

Observant Muslims pray five times a day.

Hertz said the workers suspended last week were violating provisions of a collective bargaining agreement and a settlement with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission reached two years ago.

"The breaks were getting extended way beyond prayer time," said Rich Broome, a spokesman for Hertz Global Holdings Inc. "It's important to understand that several Muslim employees who are complying were not suspended. It's not about prayer, it's not about religion; it's about reasonable requirements."

Broome said employees are required to clock out to keep breaks within the 10-minute limit. Those who were suspended had not been doing so, he said.

He said managers spoke with each of the workers and posted the rule before the suspensions took place.

The union, though, said the clock-out rule was implemented without warning, adding that Hertz agreed in bargaining last year that its employees would not be required to clock out when they pray.

EEOC attorney John Stanley in Seattle declined to comment on the dispute.

"Prayer is not as other people take it," said Ileys Omar, who has been with Hertz four years and is the union's shop steward. "It's important for us, if you take prayer away, you're taking a part of our lives ... to be honest, we feel like we're being punished for praying, for being Muslim."

Omar, a 24-year-old mother of a 3-year-old and expecting a second child, said the company changed its rules suddenly. She understood that management allowed Muslims to take "mini-breaks" to pray, and didn't have to clock out.

Hertz isn't the only company that has been involved in a prayer dispute.

In 2009, a new manager at a Minnesota Wal-Mart fired a Muslim man because he prayed during his breaks, even though the previous supervisor allowed him to pray. Eventually, Wal-Mart and the Minnesota chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations reached an agreement to give the Muslim man another job at a store near his home. Wal-Mart said at the time that the company was "glad everyone came together to resolve the issue on a positive note."

Since 2008, Muslim workers at JBS Swift & Co. meatpacking plants in Colorado and Nebraska have been in a dispute with the company over prayer breaks, leading to several firings.

Workers alleged the company created a hostile environment for Muslims, including harassment during prayers. They had also requested that lunch breaks be modified during the holy month of Ramadan. The EEOC subsequently filed two lawsuits in 2010 that are pending. The company has said it fired workers after hundreds of them walked off the job without permission.

In Seattle, the union is trying to get Hertz drivers back on the job and has filed an unfair-labor-practices complaint with the National Labor Relations Board against Hertz for failing to notify the union in advance of what it called a policy change.

The union represents nearly 80 Hertz drivers who earn between $9.15 and $9.95 an hour. They receive no health benefits, vacation or sick leave. About 70 percent of them are Muslim.
 
 
 
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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2011, 07:10:57 PM »
5 Prayers a day? I wonder how long a prayer averages.If they averaged 15 min. each, the total time off work for prayer would be 1 hr 15 min.per day. Over 300 hours a year. Eighty employes .......Lets see! Around 24 thousand hrs total per year.

I would just hire Agnostics. Save a lot on prayer pay.
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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2011, 01:49:25 AM »
I used to pray a lot at work, railroads do that to you.
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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 04:29:36 AM »
They think they have the right to not do the job they were hired for because of their cult?? They need to go where they are with their own kind, like Pakistan, or any of those other you know what countries. They don't want anything to do with being Americans, they only want us to change our lives to fit their own. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 09:47:41 AM »
I often pray several times a day.  But usually continue to work while doing it. I didn't realise that God could not hear your prayers if you prayed while performing your job.  Guess I missed that lesson in Sunday School.  ???
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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2011, 06:30:29 PM »
I often pray several times a day.  But usually continue to work while doing it. I didn't realise that God could not hear your prayers if you prayed while performing your job.  Guess I missed that lesson in Sunday School.  ???
Little hard to do when you are a driver and you need to bow on your knees.
I can see why Hertz fired them.  They gave them break times to pray but they extended them to include coffee breaks and other.  You would fire some one if you gave them a 20 min coffe or smoke breaks and they extended it to 40 minutes.
We fired a secratary because she extended the mail run to include getting lunch and then taking an hour for lunch from the time she left to go work out after changing.  All in all we figured she was taking an hour and 45 min for lunch  each day as well as showing up 5 minutes late 3 days a week.  Oh and shopping on line for at least an hour a day.  Give them in inch and they will take a mile, you need to set bounds and rules and hold people to them.

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2011, 06:33:54 PM »
I often pray several times a day.  But usually continue to work while doing it. I didn't realise that God could not hear your prayers if you prayed while performing your job.  Guess I missed that lesson in Sunday School.  ???
You weren't paying attention ;) .  Allah only listens when you pray while goofing off. ::)
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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2011, 06:52:35 PM »
In Lou the raghead cabbies have refused fares they think might have been drinking or who might have a btl of wine to take home. I wonder what they would think if a big bag of pork rinds ACCIDENTALLY got dumped out and crushed up in the seat and floorboard?? Would that permanently defile their cab?? POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2011, 07:42:39 PM »
If they want to take that much time off for prayer breaks, Hertz should give them the opportunity to go to work at the Bagdad office. :D gypsyman
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2011, 10:26:00 AM »
Why hire them in the first place if you got other choices?
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2011, 12:25:30 PM »
Why hire them in the first place if you got other choices?

 
Exactly, I'm sure there are plenty of Americans they could hire. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2011, 01:29:58 PM »
You get paid to work, not stopping to pray.
Fire em all...they are paid for working.  Doesn't matter what religion.  The Union doesn't care about either the comapny or the workers...they got their own "business" going. 
 
 

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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2011, 07:45:53 PM »
Why hire them in the first place if you got other choices?

 
Exactly, I'm sure there are plenty of Americans they could hire. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D

Pman,

We should revise that statement.  There are plenty of non-Muslim Americans they can hire; Americans which will work the full eight hours without the incessant "Allahu Akbar" stoppages.   

Also, are those pork rinds regular, barbecue, or hot and spicy? ;D ;D

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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2011, 08:54:13 PM »
Fire the jerks and they can prey all they want, for food. ???

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2011, 05:21:05 AM »
Why hire them in the first place if you got other choices?

 
Exactly, I'm sure there are plenty of Americans they could hire. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D

Pman,

We should revise that statement.  There are plenty of non-Muslim Americans they can hire; Americans which will work the full eight hours without the incessant "Allahu Akbar" stoppages.   

Also, are those pork rinds regular, barbecue, or hot and spicy? ;D ;D

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SWAMPTHNG. I like the regular and hot n spicy ones, don't  care for the bbq ones. Problem with these people is that they have allegience to no country, only their false pedophile prophet mohamed, therefore I feel theres no such critter as an AMERICAN muslim, their cult comes first, always. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2011, 06:21:40 PM »
I'm hoping that, Target the french company will finally wise up, and fire those muslims that refuse to stock items which contain pork products.  Either do the complete job or quit.
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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2011, 06:31:08 PM »
I'm hoping that, Target the french company will finally wise up, and fire those muslims that refuse to stock items which contain pork products.  Either do the complete job or quit.

 
YEP, agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2011, 09:20:53 AM »
Isn't Target Anit-gun  or Pro Gay or both??
Seems I read something like that.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2011, 10:30:34 AM »
Both, I think Anti-American is probably a better description.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2011, 10:41:57 AM »
some folks just ain't cut out to do some jobs and they should realize that.
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2011, 11:52:17 AM »
Both, I think Anti-American is probably a better description.

 
The local target stores  here banned the Salvation Army from ringing their bell and taking donations on their property the past 2 years around Christmas. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2011, 03:33:30 AM »
Why hire them in the first place if you got other choices?

Powderman,

I totally agree with your position.  Hertz should hire Americans that are not Muslims because the incessant "Allahu Ackbar" stoppages cost the company money in lost time and productivity.   If they don't like, they can start their own company.  Besides, anytime I have taken a job, there has always been express written agreements saying I will abide by policies and procedures of the employer.   The muzzies seem to think they are special, and that rules do not apply to them.  They think they can deceive non-Muslims without consequence.    If they want to violate a contract, fire them and pave the exit with pork rinds, as was your idea.

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Exactly, I'm sure there are plenty of Americans they could hire. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D

Pman,

We should revise that statement.  There are plenty of non-Muslim Americans they can hire; Americans which will work the full eight hours without the incessant "Allahu Akbar" stoppages.   

Also, are those pork rinds regular, barbecue, or hot and spicy? ;D ;D

ST762

 
SWAMPTHNG. I like the regular and hot n spicy ones, don't  care for the bbq ones. Problem with these people is that they have allegience to no country, only their false pedophile prophet mohamed, therefore I feel theres no such critter as an AMERICAN muslim, their cult comes first, always. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Hertz fires 34 muslim drivers for abusing given breaks.
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2011, 07:18:22 AM »
Hertz did the right thing by firing these muslim drivers. Assimilate or leave.