Black Civil Rights Icons Vs. White Women Teachers

[lgm270]

Wow. This is a first.  Black men  bitching about too many white women!   Well known Negro personalities and celebrities  Tavis Smiley and Cornell West (a professor at Princeton University)  have their own radio show and a couple of weeks ago I heard one of their broadcasts in which they complained  about  the fact that  white women teachers were the cause of "young black boys" [sic]  failing in school.   I googled it and here's a transcript. Check it out. 
 
 Tavis Smiley and Cornel West on White Women Teachers - The Spearhead
 
 "Smiley: … One of the things, very quickly, that we examine in this prime time special, Too Important to Fail, again on Sept 13th, one of the things that we point out and investigate and find solutions for, Doc, is this simple statistic. The majority of kids being left behind, the group, I should say, of kids being left most behind, never mind this law Leave No Child Behind, they’re all being left behind. The group being left the farthest behind are, no surprise here, young black boys. That’s a reality; the numbers bear that out. We’re losing most black boys in the third or fourth grade we find in this investigative report.
 
"But consider this, Doc. The majority of teachers in this country happen to be white women. To be exact, 83 percent of teachers in this country are white women. What we ask in this special, does that mean that the future of black boys in America is in the hands of white women? We dig deep into that question.
 
 "West: Interesting.
 
"Smiley: Black boys being left the farthest behind. Eighty-three percent of teachers white women. The future of black boys in the hands of white women. What does that mean? What are the challenges to the system, to black men becoming teachers? The tentacles shoot everywhere off of that one factoid."
 
                                                  [End of transcript]

Oh My God! "...black boys" and white wimmin"!!!!!

The same people who fought tooth and nail for racially integrated schools  are now bitching about the "tentacles " of white women.  They think black men are better suited to teaching  "black  boys."  ["boys"?]


 Hmmmm... If only black men are qualified to teach black boys, does this mean a  demand  to return to racially segregated schools  in order to protect impressionable young black boys from  the  "hands" of dirty rotten white racist women teachers?   


 
  http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/09/06/tavis-smiley-and-cornel-west-on-white-women-teachers/

[gypsyman]

They'll use it as another excuse as to why black kids do so poorly in school. gypsyman

[oldandslow]

Total racism. Have you read or heard one word condeming this in the media? No, you haven't and won't. Only white people can be labeled racist.

[powderman]

The opportunity is there to learn no matter who you are. Stay out of crack houses, keep away from gangs, mind your manners and study hard. These are personal choices. Choose wisely. POWDERMAN. 

[Heather]

Call me a crazy racist, but I kind of see their point. We as separate races and genders need guidance from those like us. I would not send my boys to a school to be taught by all black women even though they have very positive male role models of their race surrounding them in their lives. That is the issue with young black men being schooled by white women. The lack of positive black male influence in their lives at home limits their teaching of the world to a white womans point of view. How many white women can truly understand the adolescent mind much less of a different sex and race??? Since public school is seen as the end all be all of education and is the ONLY place where children learn anymore, I can see why not having teachers like the students is a problem. 
Heather

[powderman]

HEATHER. I see your point but where are all the black teachers?? How many are qualified or want to teach some of these kids?? We can't very well say that white teachers should teach only white kids, or blacks teach blacks. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

Would what students  are being taught at home matter ? no matter their race it would.

[XD40SC]

Damn teachers. They can't do anything right. Heather; As for your thoughts -Wonder how all the Asian students excell with all white teachers?

[powderman]

XD40. Uhhhhh, ya reckon because they WANT an education and study?? POWDERMAN. 

[jimster]

Wonder how all the Asian students excell with all white teachers?

Probably because their parents tell them they damn well better excell...no matter what the circumstances.  Which is probably the way it works with most students who excell.   Most the Asians in this area are not without parents.  They have strong family values compared to some other groups in this area.  The other groups might need a little something extra to make up for that huge difference...maybe a teacher they could relate to and look up to would help a lot of kids. 
 
 

[XD40SC]

I wouldn't hesitate to send my children to a school with black teachers , as long as the school had a great reputation. At the very least, maybe my son would learn how to play basketball and get a scholarship.

[Heather]

I think you guys misunderstood my point or I didn't make it clear enough. Teaching a child math, language, science, history, etc. of any race/gender by any person is fine. What I am stating is that the idea that Schools should not only teach academics but instead be responsible to completely  raise children is where the issue of race/gender comes into place. I could in no way teach a young black boy how to grow up to be a respectable black man even though I could teach him to read and write. These men are angry that their youth are suffering and are only being taught by white women. YES this is part of the problem. They do not have strong male role models in their lives or they would not be only taught by women. I agree with their concern, but they are placing the blame in on the wrong people. It is the men of the black community that are not raising their sons that causes a child to have limited exposure to the teachings of males. I will say that this isn't limited to the black community as absent fathers and dead beat dads are scattered through the races.
Heather

[lgm270]

I think you guys misunderstood my point or I didn't make it clear enough. Teaching a child math, language, science, history, etc. of any race/gender by any person is fine. What I am stating is that the idea that Schools should not only teach academics but instead be responsible to completely  raise children is where the issue of race/gender comes into place. I could in no way teach a young black boy how to grow up to be a respectable black man even though I could teach him to read and write. These men are angry that their youth are suffering and are only being taught by white women. YES this is part of the problem. They do not have strong male role models in their lives or they would not be only taught by women. I agree with their concern, but they are placing the blame in on the wrong people. It is the men of the black community that are not raising their sons that causes a child to have limited exposure to the teachings of males. I will say that this isn't limited to the black community as absent fathers and dead beat dads are scattered through the races.
Heather

A great post.  Will you join and call for  bringing back racially segregated schools so that black boys can be taught by black teachers instead of white women who, as you put it,  are y "part of the problem."

[powderman]

It is the men of the black community that are not raising their sons that causes a child to have limited exposure to the teachings of males. I will say that this isn't limited to the black community as absent fathers and dead beat dads are scattered through the races.
Heather

 
HEATHER. Thats it in a nutshell. Teachers are there to educate, not to teach them all about the world. POWDERMAN. 

[Heather]

I think you guys misunderstood my point or I didn't make it clear enough. Teaching a child math, language, science, history, etc. of any race/gender by any person is fine. What I am stating is that the idea that Schools should not only teach academics but instead be responsible to completely  raise children is where the issue of race/gender comes into place. I could in no way teach a young black boy how to grow up to be a respectable black man even though I could teach him to read and write. These men are angry that their youth are suffering and are only being taught by white women. YES this is part of the problem. They do not have strong male role models in their lives or they would not be only taught by women. I agree with their concern, but they are placing the blame in on the wrong people. It is the men of the black community that are not raising their sons that causes a child to have limited exposure to the teachings of males. I will say that this isn't limited to the black community as absent fathers and dead beat dads are scattered through the races.
Heather

A great post.  Will you join and call for  bringing back racially segregated schools so that black boys can be taught by black teachers instead of white women who, as you put it,  are y "part of the problem."

No, but I would join a movement to enlighten the people of this nation that education starts at home, and it is not the schools responsibility to teach them beyond academics. If parents are active in their child's life then it matters not if their 'teacher's at school are black white or yellow. The point you seem to miss once again is that I see the  problem with having mainly white women teachers teach males of any race is ONLY a problem because they have no male leadership in their lives.

[BUGEYE]

white teachers, male or female, can no longer teach.  they spend all their time trying to keep a semblance of order in the classroom.  you cannot disipline a black kid, or momma will come to school jerking her neck back and forth and screaming RACISM.
I've seen it many times, and my wife sees it every day.

[XD40SC]

white teachers, male or female, can no longer teach.  they spend all their time trying to keep a semblance of order in the classroom.  you cannot disipline a black kid, or momma will come to school jerking her neck back and forth and screaming RACISM.
I've seen it many times, and my wife sees it every day.

maybe you should change your behaviour.

[XD40SC]

 Bill Cosby is the only black that has the courage to address what needs to be done in the black community.

[BUGEYE]

Bill Cosby is the only black that has the courage to address what needs to be done in the black community.

very true.
oh, my wife has the ultimate weapon to keep me from screaming.

[gypsyman]

Maybe this is why Hillary made the statement, ''It takes a village to raise a child''. More black mothers have children by different fathers, and the black men are to busy trying to find an available woman, to make another baby. They don't have time to get an education. gypsyman

[BUGEYE]

when I drove a school bus, I had 5 kids from 1 mother. the 2 oldest had the same name, then the next 2 had a different name, and the youngest had the same name as the 2 oldest.

[XD40SC]

when I drove a school bus, I had 5 kids from 1 mother. the 2 oldest had the same name, then the next 2 had a different name, and the youngest had the same name as the 2 oldest.

That would never happen with a white woman.

[SwampThing762]

I think you guys misunderstood my point or I didn't make it clear enough. Teaching a child math, language, science, history, etc. of any race/gender by any person is fine. What I am stating is that the idea that Schools should not only teach academics but instead be responsible to completely  raise children is where the issue of race/gender comes into place. I could in no way teach a young black boy how to grow up to be a respectable black man even though I could teach him to read and write. These men are angry that their youth are suffering and are only being taught by white women. YES this is part of the problem. They do not have strong male role models in their lives or they would not be only taught by women. I agree with their concern, but they are placing the blame in on the wrong people. It is the men of the black community that are not raising their sons that causes a child to have limited exposure to the teachings of males. I will say that this isn't limited to the black community as absent fathers and dead beat dads are scattered through the races.
Heather

A great post.  Will you join and call for  bringing back racially segregated schools so that black boys can be taught by black teachers instead of white women who, as you put it,  are y "part of the problem."

No, but I would join a movement to enlighten the people of this nation that education starts at home, and it is not the schools responsibility to teach them beyond academics. If parents are active in their child's life then it matters not if their 'teacher's at school are black white or yellow. The point you seem to miss once again is that I see the  problem with having mainly white women teachers teach males of any race is ONLY a problem because they have no male leadership in their lives.

Heather,

Young black males do have male leadership in their lives.  The problem lies in the fact that too many of those males are bad examples.   When I was in college getting my education degree, all of my clinicals were in urban core schools.   Other than the teacher, I was the only white person in the classroom.   Many of the students wore t-shirts with Ice Cube, Ice-T, X-Clan, Tupac Shakur , NWA and Malcolm X on the fronts.  Currently, they have Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson (Jr and Sr), and Cornell West. None of these individuals are positive role models for young black males.  You could make an argument for Ice-T at this point in time, as his career has moved from crap-rap to a starring role on L&O:SVU for over 10 years.  He is becoming more conservative as he gets older.   Don't we all?

The key to restoring the black community is restoring a sense of value and identity.   The black community has been fragmented by such racists as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Cornell West, the NAACP, and the New Black Panther Party.   These individuals cling to power solely because they blame everything on whitey keeping the black man down, and all actions have a racial motivation.  If these people would stop picking at the scab over the racial wound in our country's history, it would heal.

And, yes, you are correct when you say education begins at home.   

ST762

[powderman]

SWAMPTHING. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[Casull]

That would never happen with a white woman.

 
 
Care to place a wager on where it's more likely to happen? 

[guzzijohn]

As long as this is turning into a thread on unwed mothers, I found this interesting. From the new York Times:


Out-of-wedlock births are also rising in much of the industrialized world: in Iceland, 66 percent of children are born to unmarried mothers; in Sweden, the share is 55 percent. (In other societies, though, the phenomenon remains rare — just 2 percent in Japan, for example.)


The US rate during this time (2007) was around 40% with Mississippi and DC leading the way, but even Utah had a 20% rate.


GliderJohn

[Grady50]

I've always wondered why Black women seem more ambitious and college oriented than Black men.  I have to make a lot of visits to various companies in my position and I notice that within the ranks of these companies there are more Black women who seem to be in upper level positions. I guess Black boys should be taught by adult Black males.

[SwampThing762]

I've always wondered why Black women seem more ambitious and college oriented than Black men.  I have to make a lot of visits to various companies in my position and I notice that within the ranks of these companies there are more Black women who seem to be in upper level positions. I guess Black boys should be taught by adult Black males.

Grady50,

I think the reason that black women are more ambitious than their male counterparts is they know they must support the kids without the baby-daddy in the home.    An extra mouth to feed, and body to clothe, provides a very immediate reality check.   I may be wrong, but that is my opinion based on my perceptions.

ST762