Shipping receivers...something I didn't know

[mechanic]

My local gunshop increased his transfer fee to $35.00.  I have a friend just over in Ala. who charges me just $10.00 for a long gun.  Handguns are a no go, must ship to a FFL in my state.  That much I knew.
 
What I didn't know is that I can't transfer a receiver via Alabama.  If it's the entire long gun, yes, receiver..no.
 
He got his hand spanked a few years ago for transferring AR receivers, and that is what the ATF told him in a letter.
 
Kinda makes it hard on a fella' to buy a used receiver.  If someone wants, say $100.00 to ship via their FFL, and my FFL wants $35.00, I can put another $35.00 with it and buy a used rifle.  This has caused my current delimma.  If I buy another rifle, I will probably just want to keep it, and I'm still short a receiver......
 
Ben

[av-doctor]

the receiver is the part with the serial number so that is the part the atf considers the gun. i don't see why it matters as long as its being transfered as a gun.

[mechanic]

the receiver is the part with the serial number so that is the part the atf considers the gun. i don't see why it matters as long as its being transfered as a gun.

Doesn't to me either.  I can get the assembled gun legally, but not the receiver.
 
Ben

[Graybeard]

I could see logic in that for TC Contender or Encore frames which can be either handgun  or rifle. Since the handi can only be rifle or shotgun it doesn't seem logical but then when did logic matter to BATFE

[mechanic]

Yep, quite frankly I never thought of an AR platform as a pistol platform, but obviously from the letter the ATF does.
 
Methinks that there are a lot of people writing and interpreting rules that know nothing about weapons in general......
 
 
Anyway, I thought I would bring it up, as a lot of folks ship receivers, and I wouldn't want someone getting in trouble over something that isn't worth much on it's face.

Ben

[Airsporter]

They make AR pistols so I can see the problem there.  But, handi receivers are long gun only.  I think your AL dealer is 'gun shy.'  Seems intimidating dealers is in their job description.
 

[PHATINJUN]

Boy I sure hate to see that increase we been paying $35 Here in N IL and S WI for a few yrs which probly means yours went up to $35 and mine is going to go up to $50. My FFL has charged me $10 for frames and $35 for complete guns . I could be wrong but I think he may be checking the any other weapon box on the form. Kurt

[yukondog]

Yea it does seem silly. You could always buy a cal. you really dont like and sell the barrel.

[gendoc]

Ben,
i can see where SOME "ar" receivers cud be a violation because of tha possible intent of become'n fully auto at the drop of a hat and internals cud be scattered from hell to high water !!!
 
if tha pistol thing is tha reason, how bout tha 10/22 ruger receiver.
it can be used as a charger receiver too....
 
far as handi's are considered.... i ain't never heard such, even with t/c sh...stuff
 
ifin it wasa law, i'd know it  ,  ask your dealer for an article # of that
document...........

[mechanic]

It was not an article or law, it was a letter from BATFE to him, referencing his FFL, and the fact that he had transferred AR receivers, one of which was later found in the hands of a felon, and was made into a pistol, (if one truly believes a bulky platform like that is ever truly a pistol.)
 
He was threatened with loss of license.
 
This is what I mean when I say those that make and interpret the rules know little about their subject matter.
 
A Handi of any stripe made into a pistol would be illegal, but then if I wanted to do that, I could still transfer it through a local dealer.....
 
Ben

[gendoc]

ok, i see now........   a restriction due to past counters.
now that is a fact !!! and they can limit you anyway they like.
seen it before thru investigations..... it never leaves you once you own it.
 

[cjrjck]

Best to buy one FTF or from a fellow Georgian through GON.

[wtroger]

yep that is the rules. A receiver / action can be completed as a handgun and as such can not be sold across state lines. Yet you don't have to report multiple sales.

[LONGTOM]

Like said, this is not the law, just an interpretation.
As long as it is listed as a rifle/shotgun frame it is fine.
The same goes for TC frames.
As for a true handgun frame I really am not sure about how that works.
I have never bought one.
I would think it would still be OK as long as it was listed as a handgun, the same as a complete handgun.
There are plenty of FFLs that will recieve frames.
Here in VA. mine charges $25.00 and does it all the time with no problems.
 
 
 
LONGTOM

[45-70.gov]

got a 4473 form??


section B....line 18


on  page 5


i recently sold  4  ar receivers....they came in the US POST office


knowing they could be made into hand guns
did  i need to file  a multiple sales report??
i called  ATFE  for advice...they referred me to the  4473 form
[but  thats this week.....subject to change]


alabama might have another law

[SHOOTALL]

Like said, this is not the law, just an interpretation.
As long as it is listed as a rifle/shotgun frame it is fine.
The same goes for TC frames.
As for a true handgun frame I really am not sure about how that works.
I have never bought one.
I would think it would still be OK as long as it was listed as a handgun, the same as a complete handgun.
There are plenty of FFLs that will recieve frames.
Here in VA. mine charges $25.00 and does it all the time with no problems.
 
 
 
LONGTOM

Some have gone to $40.00 here near Richmond. Also with regard to AR's I have been told by several dealers that lower recivers are IDed either rifle or handgun from the factory. I tend to believe this since the ones marked for handgun sell for prices well above rifle lowers. Also at gun shows there are dealers that sell uppers but not lowers when out of their home state . I have heard also that in certian cases guns can be bought over state line including hand guns in certian situations . Bristol Va. residents was listed as one. The town is in both Va. and Tn. and residents on either side can buy a gun there. Has anyone heard of this ? It may be the gun shop is lic a certian way.

[45-70.gov]

i have been to bistol tn/va
as far as i know  FFL  is only good for residents of their state or other FFLs

possibly  the citizens are granted  DUAL residency in  both states..
..we have that with yankees in  florida  and  maintain a home up north
i can't sell to people 5 miles away in GA
how about sales tax  etc.
 
this  is interesting
i will look into this out of curiosirt when i get the time

[rockrat]

With AR receivers, never having been assembled as a rifle or a pistol, I can see where there would be a limitation, but a Handi receiver HAS been made into a rifle.   Once made into a rifle, it will always be considered a rifle and your FFL over in AL should not have any problem with transferring to you, since you can buy a rifle/shotgun even if you don't live in AL.   You cannot buy a handgun in AL
 
Talk to him and explain the difference.  He might relent.
 
With the AR receivers, it is all intent.  When you buy one, you can put it down as a rifle, if thats what you are going to do with it, and a "pistol" if you are going to make it into a pistol.   Same chunk of metal, but intent is what classifies it.

[mechanic]

This was an attempt by me to save some bucks.  I live in Ga. this guy is in Ala.  He has always given me very good deals though, and I try to buy from him when I can.  If it were shipping to Ga....no problem.
 
Ben