Author Topic: It all started with my Marlin 39A....  (Read 1295 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline MacTech

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 40
It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« on: October 14, 2011, 04:21:02 PM »
You know how it is when you finally find the "right" rifle for you, right?

I think I may have just done that.....

At 42 years old, I'm not exactly "old", but I'm not young either, I grew up on manual-action firearms, the first gun Dad let me shoot was an old Ithaca 49 falling-block lever-action single shot, I loved that little old "cowboy gun", Dad still has it, and I still occasionally shoot it for nostalgia (thankfully, Dad is still with us, but he's getting up there in years and is suffering the initial onset of Parkinsons tremors :( sadly, he has decided his shooting days are over, even though I offer to take him every time I hit the range, set him up with a nice little .22 for plinking, he's just not interested anymore :(

He gave me my first rifle, a Marlin 25 bolt action, for my 16th birthday, and I still have that gun and shoot it often, lots of happy memories there

fast forward to a few months ago, I was suffering a bout of "Wantnewgunitis", so I traded a couple lesser-used guns I wouldn't miss (I have forgotten what they were...) for a Marlin 39A ('09 manufacture), as soon as I hefted the rifle, shouldered it, and discovered the wonderful weight, balance, pointability and overall excellent ergonomics, I was instantly hooked, the 39A just felt *right*, it became an extension of me, shouldered, balanced, and pointed perfectly

I realize that I had found "The One", I am a Levergunner, to me, running a levergun is completely natural and second nature, I don't even have to think about it, just throw it up to my shoulder and it's dead on and ready....

(the ability to fire S, L, and LR rounds interchangably doesn't hurt either, and who could argue with 26 rounds of .22 Short in the tube....)

The 39A got me thinking.....
Since the 39A is such a nice gun, and I seem to have this affinity for leverguns, maybe I should try one of the Marlin 336's (I like the side eject and solid top better than the top/angle eject Winchesters, the Marlin just seems more solidly built)

So, back to the gun store, shoulder a 336 in .30-30, Eureka!, it *fits*, balances, and points naturally, just like my 39A, only *bigger*, once again, I thin down the collection, which is something I've been meaning to do for a while, I'd rather have a few guns I'm *really* good with, rather than a bunch of guns I bought because they were a "good deal at the time", and trade two more lesser used guns for the 336....

Problem is, I'm now looking at the rest of my collection and comparing them to my leverguns, and finding my non-levers lacking, there's just something *indefinable* about how a levergun just *speaks* to me, just feels *right* in my hands and against my shoulder, the best way to describe it is the gun feels neutrally balanced, like it's not even there

I've been contemplating switching completely to lever action rifles, I just like them that much

So, here's my dilemma, tonight, at my toy store (Kittery Trading Post in Kittery Maine, I found a rather nice little Marlin 1895GB in .45-70, a caliber I have *always* been interested in, with a 18" Ballard rifled, ported barrel, very clean inside the bore, XS rear peep sight and front blade sight, nicely charactered walnut furniture, and just the tiniest amount of rust freckling on the steel, probably will CLP right off, if not, it's only cosmetic and won't affect the performance of the gun, it is a crossbolt safety model, but then again, so is my 39A (my 336 is a pre-safety model), so it's a non-issue

Thing is, I'd have to trade some more guns to get the price below my self-induced spending cap, and the only gun I could find myself parting with would be my Yugo SKS.....

The SKS is an un-issued rifle, still has a little cosmoline in the nooks and crannies, it's the M59/66A model, with blade bayonet, grenade launcher and luminescent night-sights, the bore is pristine, and when I had purchased it, it looked to never have been fired (a problem I soon fixed ;) put about 6 boxes of Wolf non-corrosive surplus through it, at 100 yards, it shoots 4-5" groups, I know that part of the problem is *me*, but I have to admit, I find a 4-5" group dissapointing, I know it's a battle rifle, not a MOA precision rig, it's not meant to shoot into one small hole, it's a rugged, indestructible, tough utility rifle and it excels at that

the thing is, I bought it before I discovered the magic  of the levergun, the balance, pointability, and light weight, yet they still feel as solid as a tank and lock up like a bank vault, had I known how much I was going to like the levergun, I would have probably not purchased the SKS, I mainly got it because the gun was, (I thought at the time) reasonably inexpensive, now I know that I could have gotten a Marlin 336 for about $30 more than I paid for the SKS

Things I like about the SKS;
solid, reliable machine, milled receiver
10 round capacity
negligible recoil
*Really* inexpensive ammo
Can turn off the gas system and turn it into a straight-pull bolt action rifle (rifle grenade launching mode)

Things I don't like about the SKS;
HEAVY! (almost 10 Lbs)
primitive sights, short sight radius
4-5" groups at 100Y
Grenade launcher makes it very muzzle heavy and unbalanced
stock feels like holding a 2x4 in my shoulder
Wrist of the stock puts my thumb very close to the bridge of my nose
Trigger is heavy, full of creep, and has a mushy break, almost as bad as a factory 10/22 trigger
complete cleaning is very involved, I don't like having to scrub down the gas valve, gas piston, and piston chamber after every shooting session
ejects empty cases through the space-time continuum and into an alternate reality many times
loves to mangle brass cases, making reloads potentially more difficult without more case prep time
Heavy and unbalanced
7.62x39 surplus steel case ammo is generally less accurate than reloadable brass-cased ammo (that is, when you can find brass cases that haven't been mangled during eject

Judging by my pros and cons, you would think that I hate the SKS, well, I don't, not completely, when used with the cheap steel case milsurp ammo, it's a fun range toy, but the lack of accuracy and muzzle-heavy balance really take some of the fun out of it

I'm wondering if it'd be a good idea to trade the SKS back in for store credit (I can get almost all I put into it back in store credit) and put that towards the Marlin .45-70 lever

the only advantages I see that the SKS has over the Marlin .45-70 are;
4 more rounds in the mag (but the Marlin can be topped off while in use)
dirt-cheap ammo (but the cheap stuff tends to be inaccurate, hunting ammo is priced right up there with domestic calibers)
*technically* a faster firing rate
last shot bolt hold open
loads with stripper clips (of which I have none, so I have to load manually, just like the the levergun)


So, when the Zombies rise (and we all know they *will* ;) ) a SKS would have a slight advantage over a levergun in terms of speed and time between reloads, but could technically fatigue the shooter faster due to the weight and imbalance, but it also has a milder recoil and reacquiring targets is a little faster

then again, in a hunting environment (for deer, coyotes, and Zombie Møøse**), the lighter weight, balance and pointability of the lever are an advantage, also, here in Maine, hunters are limited to a mag capacity of five rounds for autoloading rifles that aren't .22's, so I'd have to replace the SKS's 10 round mag with a 5 rounder, there is no such limitation on leverguns or bolt actions, so once again, the lever has the advantage

As far as the .45-70 goes, what is the recoil like with the typical commercial hunting loads? If I go .45-70, I will definitely reload for it, and I understand the .45-70 is a reloader's dream cartridge....

Hmm, trade the SKS towards the Marlin .45-70, or keep the SKS and forget about the .45-70?




**Møøse bites kan be pretti nasti...

Offline mannyrock

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2081
Re: It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 05:42:49 AM »
 
Mac,
 
    A few thoughts:
 
    Your 336 in .30-30 is the tactical equivalent of the SKS, plus it has the huge advantage of being able to mount a scope that stays sighted in.  Many would say that it is superior to the SKS, because it can easily be topped off after firing one or more rounds.   You don't need the SKS.  You are better off with a rifle, holding 6 rounds, that will do 1.5 inch groups, than a rifle holding10 rounds, that only does 5 inch groups.  Trade in the SKS.
 
   I would hold off buying the .45-70 until you have had a chance to shoot one extensively at a range.  In the regular, low powered, load sold by Remington etc., with a 405 grain bullet and low powder charge, they are not too bad as far as recoil.  As for more powerful hunting loads, you will find that this rifle kicks alot, and is not pleasant to shoot.  (Of course, lots of guys will chime in now, and say, "I disagree, it really don't kick much."  Yes it does.  Buy some high powered loads, and try them out at the range with a friend's rifle.
 
    Finally, since you like your 39A, there is a great rifle that you will like even better.  Get a cowboy model Marlin 1894, with a 26 inch octagonal barrel, in .357 mag.   They handle and point incredibly well, are deer stoppers at 100 yards, and are cheap to shoot.  They have almost no recoil, and make a nice big round hole on paper that is easy to see.  If you shot one of these, and a .45-70, side by side, there is no question in my mind that you would choose the .357.  (Your .30-30 rifle is a 200 yards hunting rifle, so what is the .45-70 really for?)
 
   Hope this helps.
 
Mannyrock
 
 

Offline pastorp

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (46)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4697
  • Gender: Male
Re: It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2011, 07:07:39 AM »
I agree you should dump the SKS, I'm not much of a believer in Zombies. And I'm too old to go to war. If you bear hunt the 45-70 might come in handy or for moose.  :o 

Regards,
Byron

Christian by choice, American by the grace of God.

NRA LIFE

Offline bry

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9
Re: It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2011, 05:24:34 PM »
The 45/70 gives you lots of options you won't get with most calibers.
Very happy with my GuideGun, kick and all.
The gun you reference has been talked about on other forums,
I looked into it myself online, it may not be there long.
BTW, best gun trade I ever made was letting go of an SKS for a muzzleloader.

Offline Duke0313

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 414
  • Gender: Male
  • I am the way, the truth, and the life. -John 14:6
Re: It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2011, 12:48:43 AM »
Chunk the junk! The SKS is keeping you from getting the gun you really want. I'm a lever man, too!
"Republic:  I like the sound of the word -- means people can live free, talk free, go or come, buy or sell, however they choose.  Some words give you a deep feeling.  Republic is one of those words that makes me tight in the throat. -John Wayne- The Alamo

Offline Swampman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16518
  • Gender: Male
Re: It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2011, 12:56:13 AM »
Quote
I'm wondering if it'd be a good idea to trade the SKS back in for store credit (I can get almost all I put into it back in store credit) and put that towards the Marlin .45-70 lever

Yes
 
Recoil with the Remington 405 grain loading is almost nothing.
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing  1983-1985 1993-1994

"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Offline mannyrock

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2081
Re: It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2011, 06:29:28 AM »
 
   The reason that he fell in love with the Marlin 39A is that it has a full length barrrel and actually "points" where he aims it.  The Guide Gun has a stubby barrel, and no pointing qualities.  Not saying its a bad gun, but those are the facts.
 
   So, if he decides to go big bore, .45-70, he should be looking for one with a longer barrel.
 
   Of course, I have never met a black bear that won't be killed dead by a .30-30  170 grain soft point, which has been the standard  bear round in the Eastern Seaboard states for almost a century.  This "can't hunt a bear unless you have a .45-70" is a fad that only started about 15 years ago, when Marlin started cranking out their .45-70 levers in lots of different configurations.
 
Mannyrock

Offline Swampman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16518
  • Gender: Male
Re: It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2011, 06:51:52 AM »
Oddly my Guide Guns have all shot MOA or better groups.  I see no real advantage with the longer barrels.  It's just more to carry.  I don't understand the reasoning for the 24" barrel on the 39A either but I own one.  I'd rather have a 18" barrel on it.
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing  1983-1985 1993-1994

"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Offline eastbank

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 401
Re: It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2011, 05:37:12 PM »
how about these three marlin 39,s. eastbank.

Offline rockbilly

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3367
Re: It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2011, 08:40:03 AM »
The Marlin 39A, Oh what a gun!!!!!  As a Christmas gift from my new wife in 1959 I received a Marlin 39A Golden Mountie, I loved it from the start, used it for many years and took untold amounts of game with it, I left the gun with my father when I was shipped to Vietnam, he stored in a close near a bathroom, sometime time during that period a water pipe broke and flooded the closet.  During the clean up they overlooked the gun stuck back in a corner.  When I got home and finally picked it up the stock was ruined, there was there was pitting on the receiver and barrel because it sat in a soaked gun case for quite a long time.  I cleaned her up the best I could and put it away, haven’t fired it since.  I keep it as a remembrance of  those times and will likely pass it on to my grandson someday.

Offline teamnelson

  • Trade Count: (30)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4487
  • Gender: Male
Re: It all started with my Marlin 39A....
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2011, 02:43:21 PM »
So what'd you do?!? I'm assuming you bought the Guide Gun?


You'll need an 1894 in 357 or 44 eventually; those are my answer to the SKS. 10 rounds, straight walled, easy to cast/load for, matched to a sidearm.
held fast