Question for you Gentlemen.

[Heather]

 I am writing a paper and would like some feedback. What is the worst and/or most treasonous thing you believe our Government has done to date?

[XD40SC]

One would be lying about the Gulf of Tonkin which got us into the Viet Nam War. Caused alot of good people to lose their lives.

[lakota]

geez so many things to pick from. This could take some serious reflection. For some reason the first thing that comes to mind is the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank but I am sure after thinking about it I could think of something worse.

[crustylicious]

Accepting Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate.

[BUGEYE]

the current prez stated that the Constitution is a flawed document and is using it as toilet paper as he kills american citizens and goes to war on his own whims.
he has surrounded himself with like minded people who espouse communism.
they love stalin and mao.

[Gary G]

Heather, you should write on "what is the most honorable thing our government has done?". It would not take very long.

[powderman]

Not sure if its treason but for a president to sue individual states for wanting to enforce the law, and siding with criminals over Americans would have to be right up there. POWDERMAN. 

[subdjoe]

Disregarding the right of the states to leave a voluntary union.  Until 1861 it was even taught at the US Military Academy that the several states were independent entities and could leave the union. See:

A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE United States of America.
BY WILLIAM RAWLE, LL.D.
SECOND EDITION.
PHILADELPHIA:
PHILIP H. NICKLIN, LAW BOOKSELLER,
NO. 175, CHESTNUT STREET.
1829.

From Chapter 23:

CHAPTER XXXII.
OF THE PERMANENCE OF THE UNION.

    Quassata respublica multa perderet et ornamenta dignitatis et præsidia stabilitatis suæ. Oratio pro Marcello.

HAVING thus endeavoured to delineate the general features of this peculiar and invaluable form of government, we shall conclude with adverting to the principles of its cohesion, and to the provisions it contains for its own duration and extension.

The subject cannot perhaps be better introduced than by presenting in its own words an emphatical clause in the Constitution.

The United States shall guarantee to every state in the Union a republican form of government, shall protect each of them against invasion, and on application of the legislature, or of the executive when the legislature cannot be convened, against domestic violence.

The Union is an association of the people of republics; its preservation is calculated to depend on the preservation of those republics. The people of each pledge themselves to preserve that form of government in all. Thus each becomes responsible to the rest, that no other form of government shall prevail in it, and all are bound to preserve it in every one.

But the mere compact, without the power to enforce it, would be of little value. Now this power can be no where so properly lodged, as in the Union itself. Hence, the term guarantee, indicates that the United States are authorized to oppose, and if possible, prevent every state in the Union from relinquishing the republican form of government, and as auxiliary means, they are expressly authorized and required to employ their force on the application of the constituted authorities of each state, "to repress domestic violence." If a faction should attempt to subvert the government of a state for the purpose of destroying its republican form, the paternal power of the Union could thus be called forth to subdue it.

Yet it is not to be understood, that its interposition would be justifiable, if the people of a state should determine to retire from the Union, whether they adopted another or retained the same form of government, or if they should, with the, express intention of seceding, expunge the representative system from their code, and thereby incapacitate themselves from concurring according to the mode now prescribed, in the choice of certain public officers of the United States.

The principle of representation, although certainly the wisest and best, is not essential to the being of a republic, but to continue a member of the Union, it must be preserved, and therefore the guarantee must be so construed. It depends on the state itself to retain or abolish the principle of representation, because it depends on itself whether it will continue a member of the Union. To deny this right would be inconsistent with the principle on which all our political systems are founded, which is, that the people have in all cases, a right to determine how they will be governed.

This right must be considered as an ingredient in the original composition of the general government, which, though not expressed, was mutually understood, and the doctrine heretofore presented to the reader in regard to the indefeasible nature of personal allegiance, is so far qualified in respect to allegiance to the United States. It was observed, that it was competent for a state to make a compact with its citizens, that the reciprocal obligations of protection and allegiance might cease on certain events; and it was further observed, that allegiance would necessarily cease on the dissolution of the society to which it was due.

The states, then, may wholly withdraw from the Union, but while they continue, they must retain the character of representative republics. Governments of dissimilar forms and principles cannot long maintain a binding coalition.

[SwampThing762]

Heather,

I think this will top the list -- Obummer selling nuclear missile codes for armaments we sold to our ally, the United Kingdom.   

Obama gives UK nuke secrets to Russia -- he MUST now be removed from office and power
      By Sher Zieve

 Talk about High Crimes and Misdemeanors!  Barack Hussein Obama, the Usurper to the US Presidency, now appears to be pulling out all of the stops.  With barely an initial protestation from the US's so-called "leaders" (it took We-the-People marching on them to finally get their attention) Obama has already destroyed the economy of the USA and ensured no more jobs will be forthcoming for the middle-class; or anyone else for that matter.  He and his minions (the "Co" in Obama & Co) fake unemployment figures to suit their agenda, while thousands and thousands of Americans continue to lose jobs each and every month.  Did you know that February is the 19th month since the Obama machine declared the end to our recession?

 Yesterday, I advised of the ObamaPlan to rid Egypt of Hosni Mubarak and turn it over to the Muslim Brotherhood — the Mother Ship of virtually all Islamic terrorism and the entity supported by the corrupt Obama to seize Egypt for and as an Islamic state.  Obama's Google also has Wael Ghonim, Google's head of marketing for the Middle East, flying into Egypt to join the opposition to Mubarak.  Ghonim is now reported to be the "spokesman" for the opposition.

 Judi McLeod of Canada Free Press reports that in the last quarter of 2009 Code Pink was in Egypt (after wending its way through Gaza to get there) and were later joined by domestic terrorists and ObamaFriends Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.  They claimed it was a "coincidence." Uh-huh.  Sure it was.  Were they assisting in planning the Egyptian revolution?  Sure looks like it.  Was Obama involved?  C'mon...what do you think?

 Today, however, the Drudge Report and The UK's Daily Telegraph are reporting about something more insidious and far more menacing to the survival of the USA and the world.  On 4 February 2011, Matthew Moore, Gordon Rayner and Christopher Hope reporting for the Daily Telegraph wrote:  "Information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Britain will be given to Russia, as part of an arms control deal signed by President Barack Obama next week."  So, not only has Obama destroyed the USA's defense system but, he is bent upon taking Great Britain down with it.

 The authors go on to write:  "The fact that the Americans used British nuclear secrets as a bargaining chip also sheds new light on the so-called "special relationship," which is shown often to be a one-sided affair by US diplomatic communications obtained by the WikiLeaks website."

 Folks, as he is allowed to get away with these crimes and continues to commit even greater ones, if this latest offense is being accurately reported by the growing multitudes of news sources The Obama's offenses against humanity loom larger and more horrific every day.  Please contact your Representatives and Senators and tell them Congress must stop Obama immediately.  His High Crimes are now in the world's eye and available for all to see.  Soon, we may all look like Egypt.

 Google Exec Who Went Missing In Egypt Now A Spokesman For Opposition Group (GOOG):  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/02/04/businessinsider-missing-google-exec-egypt-2011-2.DTL#ixzz1D6BRfVWG

 Obama's Bundlers & Friends on front lines of Cairo protests:
 http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/32903

 US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets:
 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8304654/WikiLeaks-cables-US-agrees-to-tell-Russia-Britains-nuclear-secrets.html#

 SECRET DEAL: US AGREES TO TELL RUSSIA UK'S NUKE SECRETS:
 http://www.drudgereport.com/

 Did Obama's US leak the UK's nuclear secrets to Russia? This comes out the Friday before the Super Bowl, and no one reports it?:
 http://www.redstate.com/barrypopik/2011/02/05/did-obamas-us-leak-the-uks-nuclear-secrets-to-russia-this-comes-out-the-friday-before-the-super-bowl-and-no-one-reports-it/

 America 'sold British nuclear secrets to Russia:
 http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/International/05-Feb-2011/America-sold-British-nuclear-secrets-to-Russia-WikiLeaks

[XD40SC]

How about the elected officials putting their own gain over that of the people who elected them. Or the polarizing of America. Getting people to believe their party is always correct and the other party has nothing to offer. In doing so, they have divided the country. I seriously think this is a serious act of treason. Presidents come and go, but the elected officials hang on forever, continuing to divide this country.

[bilmac]

There is a deliberate attempt started several years ago but continuing to the present to create a class of people in the country that are permanently dependent on the government. These people must be able and inspired to vote. Thus we have all kinds of programs to allow everybody to "have a voice"  like moter voter programs, easy or non-existent ID processes at the polls, even attempts to allow criminals and illegal aliens to vote.

At the same time there is program after program created designed to cause people to be beholden to the government like welfare, extended unemployment, low or no tax rates for the masses, and other government give aways.

Of course I am refering to the Democrat party, that has an agenda to accomplish these goals, and to make sure that the dependents know who is handing out all the goodies.

The Country is edging closer and closer to the point where there will be more of the "takers" than there are "producers" and then we will be in the same shape as the socialists countries in Europe that are falling apart.
 

[nw_hunter]

I am writing a paper and would like some feedback. What is the worst and/or most treasonous thing you believe our Government has done to date?

WOW! so many. I have to go with what Gary said..........Perhaps you should write about the most honorable thing the Government (Fed) has done. You wouldn't risk writers cramps

The Unconstitutional wars of aggression,The formation of the  Department of Homeland Security,The Federal War On Drugs, are a few treasonous act's that come to mind. "Oh yea" I'll put on the hat here and say......I think the jury is still out on the whole story behind 911.

[too phister]

free trade agreement, If we were to tax everything that goes across our border both directions 25% we could get out of this hole and put people back to work.

[briarpatch]

Misconstrue the SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE and within that frame work seek to destroy the constitution. 

[blind ear]

Allowing the Federal Reserve Banks to have primary control of the entire country at every level. ear

[burntmuch]

free trade agreement, If we were to tax everything that goes across our border both directions 25% we could get out of this hole and put people back to work.

I agree sir. Our country is in finacial ruin, & I cant find anything made by American workers
But I sure cant find an arguement against the other posts. Hopefully when the Chinese occupy this country , they will let us own guns & hunt.

[SHOOTALL]

Failure to protect American citizens by allowing open borders.

[Heather]

 Below is a Rough Draft for the New Declaration of Independence. Anything to add?





The unanimous Declaration of the Citizens of the fifty united States of America
 
“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” (In Congress, July 4, 1776: The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America)


Such has been the patient sufferance of these States since the establishment of the original Declaration of Independence.  The history of the current rule of the people is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.  


The Federal Government has spent the country to over $15,000,000,000,000 in Debt.
The Federal Government has surpassed its limits with the enactment of the Federal Reserve System, and stolen untold fortunes from the American People.
The Federal Government has created, mandated, manipulated, and illegally borrowed against, the Social Security system.

The Federal Government has developed, over mandated, and underfunded a Federal Department of Education which has mostly served to limit the potential for beneficial education for the People.
The Federal Government has violated the 1^st Amendment and created laws dictating the free exercise of Religion.

 The Federal Government has acted with little or no regard to State Sovereignty and States Rights.The Federal Government has trampled the rights of the States to enact laws to ensure the safety of their citizens.

The Federal Government has trampled the rights of the States to enact laws to ensure the liberty of their citizens.
The Federal Government as enacted laws that violate the fundamental rights of all citizens.  

The Federal Government has vastly outgrown its intention and has spent beyond their means to fund an unsustainable domestic entitlements policy.
The Federal Government has violated the 2^nd Amendment and created laws to restrict the right for all citizens to bear arms.

The Federal Government has ignored warnings of the dangers of entangling foreign alliance and bankrupted our People on occupations and wars in many nations.
The Federal Government has used False Flag operations that have lead to War and the loss of many lives. 

The Federal Government has gone to war without a Declaration of War.
The Federal Government has had American Citizens assassinated without a trial.

The Federal Government has violated the 4^th Amendment and created laws to limit the rights of the People to be secure against illegal search and seizure.
The Federal Government has failed to protect the People by allowing open borders.

[powderman]

HEATHER. Good post, all that and more. POWDERMAN. 

[BUGEYE]

where do we start meeting to sign on ?   except those chickens of course.

[Hooker]

Heather you have a good start there, but a paper was written long ago that will work and be as accurate today as when it was written.
It is called the Declaration of Independence
Read the charges against the Crown and see if they are not as fitting to charged against our government.

 The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.




Pat

[SwampThing762]

Heather,

That is a good start.   You can count my name signed to that document.   No chickens here.   

ST762

[Pat/Rick]

Heather and Hooker, well done both of you. It seems that our Constitution is just as vital as it was meant to be. The complaints against the crown just as legitimate. The only differance is timeline in history. We had warnings from our forefathers, most notably B Franklin "Those willing to trade......." We as a society have done that, and our gov't is still doing what they want. Now we are sending troops to procure the oil interest of soro's in Africa.Yet again under the guise of human rights violations, when the rights being violated are OURS! Get adament about your beliefs? Ruby Ridge and Waco shows us what happens then. Our gov't is corrupt and will keep those who think that on the other list. Land of the free as long as you toe "their" line.Don't believe it? Stop paying taxes, having _____licenses, permits, etc.
 
"step outta line, the man come, and take you away"........

[mcwoodduck]

Clearly any act that is knowingly unconstitutional is a treasonist act.
The left has continued to move our nation to the left.  They take tree steps left and get the media to sway public opinion into getting others to meet them half way.  The next act is to take 5 steps to tje left and slowly press the adgenda of communism.  I think you can pick any number of agencies (EPA- IRS- Department of energy), Czars, or exucitive orders that are unconstutional.
The agencies are writting rules that are not laws, laws are made by congress and approved, and over seen by the other branches of our govenment.  The Rules commin from the EPA are not laws but are acted on as laws made by the exucitve branch and not over seen by the courts in a power grab to cut out the other branches.  In effect treason to our form of government.
 

[mcwoodduck]

Clearly any act that is knowingly unconstitutional is a treasonist act.
The left has continued to move our nation to the left.  They take tree steps left and get the media to sway public opinion into getting others to meet them half way.  The next act is to take 5 steps to tje left and slowly press the adgenda of communism.  I think you can pick any number of agencies (EPA- IRS- Department of energy), Czars, or exucitive orders that are unconstutional.
The agencies are writting rules that are not laws, laws are made by congress and approved, and over seen by the other branches of our govenment.  The Rules commin from the EPA are not laws but are acted on as laws made by the exucitve branch and not over seen by the courts in a power grab to cut out the other branches.  In effect treason to our form of government.

.
Just a minute here,,,then by your measure the Patriot Acts, Military Commissions Act, Emergency Powers Acts, Emergency Health Act would all be treasonous acts....I guess we need to call up Mr. Bush Jr. and ask him what he thinks....about that GD piece of paper!..
 
 
Pat/Rick...just remember you got a lot of freedoms here...just don't try to excercize them...
 
...TM7

From what I remember the Partiot act was passed by congress.  The Military Commission act was passed by congress, and so was the Emergency act.  Morons like John Kerry and his I voted FOR it before I voted against it. 
It was passed through congress.  I figured you would bring up Geo HW bush and the first drug Czar, a post he created and was given all kinds of flack over.  The key difference was the first drug Czar was an advisor role to the president the the DEA he had not authority to make policy, rules, or regulatons.
Good try but the word ACT should tip you off that it was a congressional proposal or passage.  Like Bill Clintons Assault weapons ban was a congressional act.  But I think he was willing to make it an exuctive order if it failed to pass.
Although that may not be treason.  The bill of rights says congress shall make no law not the president shall not issue exucitive orders.  But as the exucitive he is not allowed to issue laws, only congress is and that too would have been a violation of the constitution.
The question I have for you is?  If a police man violates your civil rights you can sue them, they can have their liberty taken away.  But if a congressional law if deemed to be in viloation of the constution why are the members of congress not punished either monitarily or inporisioned for writting the law or voting for it? The police officer only violated one persons rights the congress violated all of our rights?