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3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« on: October 16, 2011, 03:50:53 PM »
I got into 4 wheelers long after the passing of their three wheeled predecessors.  Obviously there are many surviving examples of them running around.
I have just always been curious did the government outlaw their manufacture or something?  were they more dangerous or less inherently safe than four wheelers?
I'd really appreciate anybody who can share some experience/stories of "back in the day" when thats all there was ie three wheelers.
 
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2011, 07:11:53 PM »
They rolled over badly injuring and killing folks riding them. They don't have even remotely the stability of a four wheeler or the control of a two wheeler. You didn't really turn them by leaning like on a two wheel bike yet if you turn that front wheel too far in turning it went end over end. Bad news.

Still I don't think it was the government's place to get involved. I'm sure lawsuits and lawyers would have taken care of them.


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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2011, 07:22:12 PM »
actually this is the way the free market is suppose to work. make a better product and people will buy it and the inferior product will cease to be made. NO GOVERNMENT subsidy or action required.
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2011, 01:37:26 AM »
IVe owned many of them from big red utility 3 wheelers to a yz250 hold on and scream full race bike. I think the goverment stepped in when they shouldnt have. They let the yuppies tell us what we have to do just like with motorcyle helmets and seat belts. You can roll over anything if you try hard enough and anything is safe if you know its limits. My nephew just rolled his dads new artic cat side by side and that things as big as a jeep and for a while they were even trying to ban jeeps! I dont need my mommy telling me what to drive and sure dont need the goverment doing it. What happened was idiots who turned there kids loose on them without supervision and usually without helmets. They got hurt and rather then bucking up and admitting it was there own fault suited the manufactures to blame them and take away there own guilt. Tell you the the truth we still have two big reds at camp and when the tight woods are on the agenda there still hands down better then a 4 wheeler. Id buy a new one today if they were still made and yes id let my grandkids ride it. After all i lived through my childhood on 3 wheelers, dirt bikes and snowmobiles and dumped my dirt bikes 10 times more then i did my 3 wheelers and you can still buy them!!
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2011, 02:03:52 AM »
The whole thing came about with government overstepping it's bounds.  Yes they rolled badly and were inherently dangerous but government had no business dealing with them.  The machines themselves are of poor design.  The suspension geometry coupled with the high center of gravity couldn't have been worse which was what caused them to roll in turns.  To add to these problems, the tires of the day were nothing more than heavy balloons that punctured if you looked at them wrong.  Blow a rear tire at speed on one of these things and you found yourself attached to a bowling ball.  We had a couple here at the local private airstrip for guys to use on the grounds.  I've seen them tumble for no apparent reason.  I don't miss them.   

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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2011, 08:48:11 AM »
Yea, and took away my lawn darts too..... :-[

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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2011, 09:49:50 AM »
Yea, and took away my lawn darts too..... :-[


That was all about the same time wasn't it?  Still got my lawn darts but the little hoops you used for targets have been replaced.

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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2011, 01:48:29 AM »
allways shook my head at it. A few people get hurt or killed and the goverment feels they have to step in and take control of our lives. Funny thing is a hell of a lot more are killed on dirt bikes every year and they dont ban them and even today more states are legalizing riding street bikes without helmets but God forbid i ride in my big pickup witout a (censored word) seat belt on. I personaly think its probably more of a matter of the millions police depts make writing tickets then it is that the goverment actually cares about your health. Its about as stupid as the new laws that dont allow you to smoke a cigerette in a bar. You can go in there and buy the most abused and dangerous drug ever made, eat fried food that causes heart attacks but cant smoke a cigerette because it might hurt some yuppie sitting in there drinking something with a little umbrella in it. If they dont want to be exposed to the smoke while there poisoning themselves with alcohol they could just stay home and drink. But no, our goverment must feel there to stupid to realize this and might go to the bar once a month and breath cigerette smoke for an hour and instantly get cancer! There chances are much greater getting killed walking accross the street drunk returning to there cars or in a wreck drunk! Sorry for the rant but i truely feel that if i want to smoke, drink, or ride my truck without a seat belt or ride a 3 wheeler its my choise not some yuppie in washingtons decision to make.
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 03:39:47 AM »
What was the first one?  Wasn't it the Honda Big Red or something like that?  No suspension, just these big balloon tires and it would float also.
 
 
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2011, 04:43:39 AM »
The first was a 90cc Honda.


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Lloyd I agree completely!  It's nobodies job but mine to watch out for me and mine and I don't try to impose my views on anyone else.  I'm a believer in a line from a Hank Williams Jr song, "If ya don't like it just leave it alone."  You do remember however when all this took place even the manufacturers put up very little fight.  By about 1980 or 81 they had been so inundated with law suits they knew they had to do something else.  Besides, they had already been working on 4 wheeler design and knew it was going to be a more profitable deal for them.

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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 02:08:53 PM »
Suzuki Samurai banned, while the Ford Bronco II, which turned over more easily, remained for years.  Never liked the 3 wheelers myself.  On flat ground they were kind of fun, but once the ground became unlevel, or off camber, they were impossible, for me at least, to control. 
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2011, 04:29:29 PM »
I had the early 3 wheelers and the ATC styles. Yes they were dangerous, but so is driving a car.
 
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2011, 01:04:02 AM »
we used to have an old rupp that looked simular to that. Wish i had it today as its probably worth some money.
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2011, 06:26:48 AM »
  I still have an origional Honda 90, also a Big Red.  The Big Red is still popular in Alaska, as it will go in places that 4 wheelers get stuck in.  Three wheelers are just so light they roll over most everything.
 
  The 90's have a lever on the top of the handlebars, you loosen it, and you could turn the bars, compacting it up so it would go in a small airplane.
 
  Another HUGE plus to those old 3 wheelers, they would run for day's on a tank of gas!  WAAAAY longer than a 4 wheeler will, and still do a bunch of work!
 
  I've pulled more than one "gutted" big bull caribou out over the tundra with a 200CC 3 wheeler.
 
  I've never rolled a 3 wheeler, but i have went over backwards a few times.  The biggest thing i saw was, they move side to side on those big tires on rough ground, (it feels a little like you will roll over) and you have to train yourself to NOT put your foot out/down, like on a motorcycle, as those big tires will climb right up your leg, pulling you off and you will get hurt.
 
  Like most things like this, it's "operator error" with big brother trying to protect us!!
 
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2011, 09:26:23 AM »
Lloyd,

Concerning the government meddling in our lives, In general I agree with you as long as we only can hurt ourselves. Smoking in public places hurts others around you. Second hand smoke is worse the smoking. I don't go into bars, except to occasionaly rescue someone.
However I really appreciate not having to breath others second hand smoke in resturants and other public buildings that I half to enter.

Our individual rights end when they interfear with another persons rights, at least that's what my mother taught me as a child.  ;)

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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2011, 09:42:46 AM »
Lloyd,

Concerning the government meddling in our lives, In general I agree with you as long as we only can hurt ourselves. Smoking in public places hurts others around you. Second hand smoke is worse the smoking. I don't go into bars, except to occasionaly rescue someone.
However I really appreciate not having to breath others second hand smoke in resturants and other public buildings that I half to enter
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Our individual rights end when they interfear with another persons rights, at least that's what my mother taught me as a child.  ;)

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 My mistake, I thought we were talking 3 wheelers ::)
 
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2011, 10:26:05 AM »
We are the govt. so all the laws come from some of We The People. sad really if it dosen't suit ya.
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2011, 11:50:00 AM »
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Second hand smoke is worse the smoking.

 
Sorry Pastorp, but I've got to call BS on that one.
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2011, 01:34:46 AM »
As for second hand smoke if its in a public place it bad . A smoker has a choice non smokers don't if its where they have a right or need to be.
Belligerence on smokers part is what caused the bans.
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2011, 04:33:33 AM »
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As for second hand smoke if its in a public place it bad .

 
 
If we are talking about government buildings or truly "public places", I'd agree.  If we are talking about a privately owned property/business (restaurant, bar, etc.), then it should be up to the owner.  The patrons are free to go there or not.  The owner can ban it or not.
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2011, 05:03:10 AM »
Casull , I agree with that. I would add on public streets , parks etc smokers should be alert to others and not cover them with smoke. But if no one objects then enjoy. Problem is this coursty was seldom extended. I grew up and live in Richmond Va. where tobacco was a main income for years and still a big one . I know the arrogrance some smokers promote to0 force others to accept their inablity to control their habit.
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2011, 05:08:02 AM »
Lon,

Lloyd brough it up. I simply responded to his post. I am not the orignator of the addition of smoking into this discussion. Are you saying it's ok for him to give a opinion but not for me?  ::)

Concerning second hand smoke- just read the medical reports and then take your smoke outside where it should be.

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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2011, 05:15:40 AM »
Just so I contribute something to the origional topic. I bought a three wheeler years ago for my son. It was a Yamaha and he liked it. Got pretty good riding it, but I never did. I always felt like it was just waiting to eat me and drag me off it's back.  :o Like Graybeard said.
At the time I owned a Arabian Mare that had been bred for cross country endurance racing, so I just rode her. Felt much safer on her back. I spent a lot of time with her and unlike most horses she never tried to hurt me. That bike however did try to hurt me several times....Yeah I know it was the nut behind the handlebars.

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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2011, 02:18:44 PM »
My first 3 ATV's were 3 wheel'd hondas, ATC 200ES ATC 200E and ATC 185
As I remember I'd only one 3-wheeler tip while operating it and that was because I was trying to come down off a bluff and purposely riding it in a manner that was unsafe, I was able to control speed (Low) and stepped off to counteract the roll.
all in all if you tipped over with a 3 wheeler its because you were operating it unsafely(excessive speeds/extreme slopes), there are just as many accidents with 4-wheel ATV's that are 300/400Lbs rolling on folks than the 150# 3 wheelers.
 
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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2011, 10:38:02 PM »
amen to that. If you dont like the smoke in a bar or resturant you have the option of not going in there. I have to doubt if ANYONE EVER was harmed by breathing the small ammount of second hand smoke you could possibly inahle standing next to a guy outside and even in that case you about allways have the option of taking 3 steps sideways to avoid it. The goverment allows big buisness to put tons of polution in the air and then says a guy cant smoke a cigerette. If that isnt hypocritical what is. Most people breath more cancer causing things from factory polution each day then they ever would from second hand smoke.This comes from an ex smoker. Bottom line is what all of this is, the banning of 3 wheelers, mandatory seat belts, helmet laws, smoking laws ect is an infringment on your freedoms that the goverment let happen to pacify the liberal people in this country so they could get reelected and suck more money out of you for selling you out. As to being off topic i think this all relates as its the same reasoning that got 3 wheelers banned and if it is deemed off topic its the moderators job to deal with it.
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As for second hand smoke if its in a public place it bad .

 
 
If we are talking about government buildings or truly "public places", I'd agree.  If we are talking about a privately owned property/business (restaurant, bar, etc.), then it should be up to the owner.  The patrons are free to go there or not.  The owner can ban it or not.
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2011, 03:59:42 AM »
They were very easy to get into the woods with because they turned much tighter that 4-wheelers will.  They were lighter as well.  I remember seeing a fellow pull three doe deer out with a three wheeler while I watched in awe.  He rigged them like train cars and drug them all at once.  He got to a deep ditch and just pushed the machine into the ditch.  He jumped in, pulled the cranking cord, and walked it nearly vertically out of the ditch.  Then he put it into his pickup truck without any ramps and there was room left for the three deer.
Try that with a four wheeler.

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2011, 08:09:38 PM »
Back in 1986 my parents bought my sister and I (me) a new 1986 Honda Fourtrax 200SX four wheeler.  The year before that my cousins parents bought him a new 1985 Honda ATC200S three wheeler to replace his Honda ATC90 three wheeler that was destroyed in their barn fire in March of that year. 
 
My 200SX had shocks and springs for the front and rear suspension and worked great for that period.  His 200S had adjustable front forks and a solid rear, with no suspension that was as rigid as could be and sucked.  Nonetheless, both machines were pretty comparable.  My 200SX was way more stable in the hilly areas and at higher speeds.  His 200S could maneuver in the woods better as long as it was relatively flat.  Both machine towed pretty much the same, they had about the same power.  Both had 5 speed auto clutch, manual shift transmissions, my 200SX had reverse.  The 200S was lighter but top speed they were about the same.
 
When I turned 18 I bought a new 1992 Honda Fourtrax 250X.  It was a nice sporty ATV with a 5 speed manual clutch, manual shift transmission and fully adjustable suspension.  I should have bought a Yamaha 350 Warrior instead.  They were a little bigger.  I'd probably still own it.  I sold the 250X a few years later and bought a Ski Doo MX 470.   
 
My cousin is and probably will alway's be a three wheeler guy as long as he's out of jail for DWI-DWAI charges and not paying child support.  He bought a very nice used 1987 Honda ATC250SX.  It was pretty nice, had a 5 speed auto clutch, manual shift transmission with reverse and shaft drive, with working front and rear suspension.  Crack the throttle at pretty much any speed and the front tire was off the ground.
 
I bought a new 2000 Yamaha Big Bear 400 4x4.  I went up to his parents farm soon after I bought it in Sept. 1999.  We rode the way we used to when we were kids, just out tooling around on the 475 acre farm with 1000's of additional acres of land around theirs for hours at a time.  Later that year I went back up to go hunting with him just after thanksgiving.  It was wet, muddy and then we got 4 to 6 inches of wet heavy snow while I was there, but the ground wasn't frozen yet.  I ended up towing him 1/3 of the time when we were moving from one spot to another or going in and out of the woods, fields ect.  He had brand new Wooly Booger tires, it was just like a 2x4 four wheeler when he would try to go up a hill or through the light marshy area's we had to go through.  For serious hunting or trail riding in our area in late fall, winter and early spring, I'll take a 4x4 four wheeler any day. . . . .actually I'd take a four wheeler no matter what.  That's just me.  I have a 5 foot Moose Snow Plow on my Big Bear.  But we don't do things togther much anymore.  He's dug himself hole that I aint going in!
 
Had some friends years ago, actually brothers that had a 200X, 350X and 250R ATC's (5 and/or 6 speed manual clutch, manual shift transmission).  The 250R was a two stroke.  They would flat out. . . . .fly, quick and fast.  Another friend had a Yamaha 225 Tri-Moto shaft drive 5 speed auto clutch, manual shift transmission which was really nice and a Tri-Z 250.  That moved out pretty well too.  My best friends 1988 Fourtrax 250R four wheeler was pretty much just as fast and was way more stable.  That being said, as long as you don't bother or hurt anyone else, you should be aloud to ride what ever the heck you want.
 
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2011, 02:33:33 AM »
My first ATV was a Yamaha 225 three wheeler with a bent front fork that caused a permanent lean which made side hills exciting if you were going the wrong way.  Weighed less than 200 pounds and would go like he## on a level surface.  It tried to kill me several times by rolling backwards on steep hills and I was left in the dirt too many times to count.  Still a lot of fun until I sold it and went with 4-wheelers.
 
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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2011, 01:26:37 AM »
I had two 225 yamahas i bought new. they were fun bikes for me at the time but sure were front end light. You could loft the front wheel with throttle at about any speed. I remember the first time my dad borrowed one for hunting season. He flipped it over backwards 3 times the first day. To this day i will say that they were flat out the most reliable things ive ever owned with a motor on them though.
My first ATV was a Yamaha 225 three wheeler with a bent front fork that caused a permanent lean which made side hills exciting if you were going the wrong way.  Weighed less than 200 pounds and would go like he## on a level surface.  It tried to kill me several times by rolling backwards on steep hills and I was left in the dirt too many times to count.  Still a lot of fun until I sold it and went with 4-wheelers.
 
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Re: 3 wheelers: what was the real deal
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2011, 02:35:18 AM »
First the government never banned three wheelers.  Honda, Yamaha and Kawasaki voluntarily agreed to an import decree for 10 years which expired in 98;  Mainly to get the negative press off of them.  During that time other smaller american manufacturers where still building three wheelers (Tiger and Taurus/Argo to name a couple).  This lull gave a period for 4 wheelers to take hold. 
 
I've had plenty of three wheelers over the years and I still have an 81 ATC 200 (276 lbs) as it will still go alot of places I can't take my Polaris Sportsman (875 lbs) into.  These are not lawn tractors so one has to remember not to ride them like lawn tractors.
 
   You can get the CSPC to send you a copy of the incidents recorded.  Of the 1300 so incidents if you throw out the drunk people, small children, unsurpervised children, multiple riders and accidents that injured someone other then the operater/rider, you end up with well less then 100 incidents.  Everything excluded is mentioned as a no no in the operators manual and general atv safety.  Thats 100 incidents within a 10 year period that wasn't the results of gross neglagience.  The quad topped that within the first 5 years after the decree was put into place.