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Bug out cycle
« on: October 17, 2011, 07:26:20 AM »
For those of us who might consider "bugging out" on a cycle if the "old homestead" became "untenable", what models and brands would you choose and why?

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 07:40:56 AM »
Kawasaki KLR 650s have been around a long time, little changed. Have made round the world runs. Can get used ones at a good price. Lots of accessories, bags, racks, bigger thanks ---. A few quirks that can be attended to before they cause problems. A lot more to know about them than I know. ear
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2011, 11:38:20 AM »
I found this featured on a forrest service sight in areas where internal combustion engines are a fire hazard and they have to pack gear by mountain bike on trails

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2011, 12:00:42 PM »
If you are packing enough gear to make it very far you are likely to be pushimg a bicycle. ear
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2011, 04:01:25 PM »
yeah, that may be true.   they say the bicycle was the secret weapon of the viet cong.  and, bicycles are not dependant on gasoline.  and, bicycles are quiet.   you can extend the range of daily travel twenty times over on a bicycle compared to foot travel.  bicycles are not to be sneezed at. 

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2011, 04:03:38 PM »
I would think one of those Ukrainian Cossacks (copy of the old DWM BMW) with the power driven sidecar wheel would be the ultimate but only if you could afford it in the first place.  :o

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2011, 04:24:43 PM »
KLR650
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 05:25:16 PM »
the KLR either 250 or 650 cc is always a good choice.the yamahas in either 225 or 600xt are good and are air cooled. i own one of both.in a bug out situation id much prefer a bike with a kickstart.yu want a bike that will still start with a stone cold dead battery.my old honda xl 250 from 79 would do that.the yams wont and im not sure about the klr as ive never owned one. the old xl hondas would run without the batt even being hooked up.

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 09:17:40 PM »
Blind Ear, are you asking about motorcycles, or bicycles??
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2011, 07:13:03 AM »
Blind Ear, are you asking about motorcycles, or bicycles??
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jager started the thread, I was wondering the same thing. ear
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 08:16:11 AM »
If pedal I would say a good mtn bike with a trailer of some sort. Perhaps the one mentioned earlier, or a game cart modified so as to be pulled by bike as well as by hand. Don't forget spares! Tubes,pumps, patches, brake pads, cables,tools, etc.
 
Don't know much about motorcycles but the older hondas mentioned should run even after EMP. Might have to replace a few parts from ammo can cache first. Definently faster.Later Fuel acqusition?

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2011, 04:45:32 PM »
   I'm mainly interested in "motors" as in motor cycles. I'll leave the mountain bikes to you who have experience with those vehicles :) .  Good suggestions on the subject, though! 
   What would be the advantages of a 650cc over a smaller bike in "rough", back country?  (I have looked at the "Kawa" KLR650 - nice bike, but I'm thinking pretty big and tall bike!) How important is weight and power in the equation? It seems that most of the 4 stroke models (not really interested in 2 stroke) are water cooled and electric start.  Do many of the dirt bikes still have a "kick start" option?  Fuel injection seems to be the preferred "set up" by many "buyers" due to power and fuel efficiency, although I agree that "carbs" offer an advantages in a "survival"  situation. So many choices, so little money ;D !
   While I have owned a lot of "street" bikes over the years, I have owned only one dirt bike back in the '70's (125 Hodaka). My current "cruiser" won't negotiate a "gravel" rode, much less a game trail. And, I live around a lot of rock and very steep hills! The bike I get has to be "rider friendly" and will get me "out-of-Dodge" quick.
   Has anyone had any experience with a "Rokon" (brand) 2 wheel cycle? Weird looking cycle, but looks like Mr. Heath's version of a two wheel "Land Rover".

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2011, 08:27:43 PM »
I was alwas a Honda fan and until this year have used XL 125's and XL 185's. This yeaqr I bought a Kawasaki KLS 250. Kick start was an optional extra which I took.
 
The 125's gave me an average of 109 Miles per US Gal at bush run about speeds. The 185's and the KLS 250 both give me 66 Miles per US Gal. Both of those are with the bike 'loaded' with 5l spare petrol, 10l water, and box of sundry tools etc on the back, rifle rack etc. However I'm only 160lbs. The 125's will go most places. A few very steep rocky bit that they failed on. A friends XR200 and the old farm Suzuki 100 (2 stroke ddule range gear box) and the new Kawasaki handle the worst terain I would ever want to take a bike - like up to the top of the local mountain for a braai- My only complaints about the KLS is it is too high off the ground for me to use my feet to hold me up on really rough going and the fact that is it water cooled and a bit too heavy to pick up when you drop it (already done that a couple of times) I would never choose a bike I couldn't pick up when it is lying on its side (or lying on top of me...had that this year and that KLS is HEAVY!!!) Wouldn't want anything heavier.
KLS does 70MPH on open road and 60MPH with two up going up a steep grade.  XL 125 was a 55MPH bike going down a mine shaft with the wind behind you

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2011, 09:42:06 PM »
I think alot depends of variables; how heavy are you,how much gear to you plan to take, what type of terrain, how long you plan on "travelling", etc. etc.
Don Heath knows what he is talking about.
To me, if a person in not too heavy, and is not carrying alot of extra weight, a small 4 stroke, single cylinder, kick start is ideal. Even if you have to gear it down a bit ( bigger rear sproket). An "enduro" I think is best ( street legal, hence, a decent headlight, even if you eliminate the tail and turn signals for stealthy movement ). Perhaps "cone off" headlight, for a narrow beam, with little side illumination.
Good rack, perhaps ammo cans mounted on rear sides, etc.
Great milage, dependable, easy to repair. Perhaps add an additional in-line fuel filter. Something I'd like, but is not readilly available, is an enclosed drive chain. I was down in Baja some years ago, and a Mexican Honda ( 125?) had this feature, keeps the chain clean, less maintainance, and maybe a bit less noise. Speaking of noise, that is another 4 stroke advantage. IN FACT, if I was prepping a vehcle for what you describe, I would very seriously look at adding an additional muffler to futher quiet it down, like what is available for ATV quads. Another big advantage to a small bike is light weight, easier to manhandle if you have to, and for that matter, if you need to fjord water, easier to float using improvised matterial. So what if top spead is 25-35mph, beats walking or pedeling. A person can find such a bike pretty cheap, as many are bought for youths who quickly outgrow them.
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2011, 01:30:54 AM »
I believe a 180-250 cc size would be fast enough and carry adequate gear. The picking it up off the ground goes a long way. I weigh 300+ lb so I need some  good springs. An injury could make the 650 unmanagsble real quick when you might still be able to heft the smaller bike back up. ear
 
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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2011, 02:38:42 AM »
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2011, 03:19:54 AM »
Victor...the upmarket version of those with the compression ignition engines are fantastic. They were all the rage with the hippies in the 60's in Europe. I had one as a kid. Ran on Diesel, Kerrosine, sunflower oil, pilfered SAE 10 hydrolic oil from the tractor...Just was an absolute PIG to start on winters mornings when you are my size (even with the decompression leaver pulled it took my full weight to turn the engine over). It would be the modern 'survivalist's dream set of wheels, with solid rubber tires (I never had a flat :D ). I wonder where the heck it got to ::) . Dad probably gave it to a local peasnat farmer when I was at University and finding out that a falling off a 500 really hurt

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2011, 07:30:57 AM »
 
   So it has all come down to this.  If the end of the world comes, you are going to be ridin around on a Hippie Bike, with a spare can of gas strapped to your back.
 
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2011, 09:16:30 AM »
if or when it does hit the fan...it could be much worse than that.  gasoline very well could be unattainable. 

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2011, 12:18:54 PM »
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2011, 02:41:24 PM »
This is what I actually want.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/automobiles/24KAWASAKI.html
that bike for sure would be a good choice. ive heard about them for years but never seen one in real life.

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2011, 04:19:29 PM »
Oath Keepers: start local
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2011, 08:54:06 PM »
Swampman- that would be great
 
Mannyrock- if the end of the world comes I suspect we are all going to be having an interesting Interview about eternal, pre-selected, free accomodation (ie with or without air con) rather than worrying about fuel supplies  ;)

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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2011, 02:07:04 PM »
This is one we made for our farm.  Has a hitch on back and uses a regular air cooled 18 hp brigs and stratton.  Frame was made from scrap including bed frames etc. and sheet metal parts were made from broken equipment and scrap also.  Seat was from an old rotted out motorcycle from the 40's in the chicken coop hehe.  ;)  Sorry for the quality as it's a picture of a picture I have framed at my house here.  8)
 
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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2011, 09:45:07 PM »
 Why did you waste all that good metal?  ;D
 
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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2011, 05:05:05 PM »
lol there you go the pallet bike.  ;)
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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2011, 02:27:20 AM »
 That wood bike is a classic!
  I've thought about putting a lawnboy 2-stroke on a bicycle. Being 2-stroke, it would work on its side and run either forwards or backwards. With a friction drive wouldn't need a clutch.Could be done pretty cheap.
 
   Here's another that I actually did build. Including the bike, $275; factoring the original cost of the woman; $276. (Her dad wouldn't "give" anything away, so the new bride cost me a buck.) Most of the trouble with it is bicycle related. Motor works fine. And if I run out of gas, there's always that dollar motor on the back seat.
 
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2011, 03:52:23 AM »
The KLR-650 Diesel version would be a good choice, with a thought towards sustainable bio-diesel production. If I had a homestead right now I'd snag one and setup a fuel still. USMC Recon has decommissioned their scout bikes in the past few years, and those were converted 650s that ran on mogas, JP, etc. Concept was to burn whatever it found. You can find them for sale out there, or buy a conversion kit for the 650.


Were I looking for a pedal bike though ... consider the Surly Ogre. Its a bit more than a K-Mart Huffy, but if you're going to rely on a bike for survival, you're going to want something made for the job. Its also optimized to accept standard rack fittings for fore and aft panniers, etc. Slap a good ($300) hub generator, wire up a USB receptacle to juice a radio, lights, battery charger. If you google "bikepacking" you'll see some rigs that have been used to take the continental divide, and some other trails which are probably the most comparable test environment for what you're planned use would be.


Mr. Jerry Young writes a lot of PAW fiction that includes a bike and a trailer ... I think he's thought about it quite a bit and has identified some of the strengths and weaknesses of the concept. Personally, I'd forego the trailer, and I'd still have an adequate pack riding on top of the rear panniers.
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Re: Bug out cycle
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2011, 11:57:29 AM »
PAW fiction?? Unfamiliar with PAW could you fill in the blanks for me? Thankyou.