Author Topic: What is the ultimate combo gun combination? (Read 3991 times)

dougk · « **on:** October 17, 2011, 10:44:43 AM »

If you where looking for a combination gun, one gun to do it all. What shotgun gauge and rifle caliber would you go with?

thanks

Doug

pastorp · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2011, 06:43:33 AM »

DougK,

For my use a 16 or 20ga shotgun along with a 25 to 7mm rimed cartridge.

Regards,

Wallyfish · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2011, 08:33:45 AM »

I am looking at "MY" ultimate combo, it is an Italian 12/7x65R made by Renato Gamba for Wischo of West Germany I believe about10-15 years old. The 12 has screw in chokes, has a set trigger for rifle barrel, EAW quick detach scope base and rings, with a Leupold
1.75X6 with heavy duplex, and a rail on scope for mounting my LED light for night use. I basically only varmit hunt, (hogs, coyotes,cats, and coons). The rifle is sighted dead on for 80 yds, (the distance to the hog feeder). I can use this for all of the hunting I do except dove season(have to have more than one shot for those little missles).
My second "ultimate" is a V. Bernardelli set up almost exactly as the Wischo except it is 12/5.6x50r. It has a Mueller Multishot 2x7 scope with illum 1" dot. I use it mostly for night vartmit callling. I use only 53 gr Barnes copper and I do use it on hogs some as well and find the Barnes to be extremely reliable on head and neck shots. I intend to get a 22 Mag insert for the Bernardelli to have a perfect squirrel and small game gun. Reloading for both has been relatively easy, they do not seem to be very picky.
I would use the 7x65r for anything in N. A. except the big bears. The 5.6x50r is also very versatile, It is very accurate with slugs.
I find the combos almost perfect for my type of hunting, I have basically emptied the safe except for my 1A ruger, the combos, and some self defense handguns.

NOTE: Adding pictures for Wally. Doug

dougk · « **Reply #3 on:** October 18, 2011, 05:50:45 PM »

Wallyfish

do you have any pictures of the Renato Gamba for Wischo?

thanks

Doug

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2011, 05:51:08 PM »

A Savage 24 in .30-30/20 ga. With reloading, the .30-30 will work for almost everything from mice to moose. If you stick to factory ammo, the .30-30 won't hurt your wallet too much either. The older 24V is noticeably lighter than the most recent model, but lacks the screw-in chokes. The .222 or .223/20 ga. is also a good choice althougt the rifle barrel is a little light for deer and .223 ammo is inexpensive.

flaflash · « **Reply #5 on:** October 19, 2011, 02:17:35 PM »

even though I'm a savage 24/2400 kinda of shooter (24v in 20/30-30 is a terrific choice for the 20 ga enthusiast because of the other barrels that will interchange with the reciever) my "dream" has always been the winchester combo series,I guess because of the various calibers available--30-06,7x57,223 plus I just like the look of the gun

Drilling Man · « **Reply #6 on:** October 19, 2011, 03:17:32 PM »

For me, moneys is no object? as in MY gun, YOUR money?? lol

Vieerling, on a 20 ga. frame chambered for 16ga. x 16ga.. WITH a 7x65R under/between the shot bbls, and a 22WMR under the rib, above/between the shot bbls... Weight can and should be at 6-3/4 pounds... I want it to be scoped with claw mounts.

I had a friend who had a vieerling that was close, and did weigh 6-3/4 pounds, what a great gun!

DM

dougk · « **Reply #7 on:** October 19, 2011, 04:07:21 PM »

Quote from: Drilling Man on October 19, 2011, 03:17:32 PM

Vieerling, on a 20 ga. frame chambered for 16ga. x 16ga.. WITH a 7x65R under/between the shot bbls, and a 22WMR under the rib, above/between the shot bbls... Weight can and should be at 6-3/4 pounds... I want it to be scoped with claw mounts.

Hey DM

Vierlings are very hard to find but I have something close.

My Fortuna is a 6x16/7x65r with a 22 WMR barrel insert and a Zeiss Diavari 2-10x50 scope with claw mounts...

Drilling Man · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2011, 04:17:38 AM »

Quote from: dougk on October 19, 2011, 04:07:21 PM

Quote from: Drilling Man on October 19, 2011, 03:17:32 PM

Vieerling, on a 20 ga. frame chambered for 16ga. x 16ga.. WITH a 7x65R under/between the shot bbls, and a 22WMR under the rib, above/between the shot bbls... Weight can and should be at 6-3/4 pounds... I want it to be scoped with claw mounts.

Hey DM

Vierlings are very hard to find but I have something close.

My Fortuna is a 16x16/7x65r with a 22 WMR barrel insert and a Zeiss Diavari 2-10x50 scope with claw mounts...

That is a nice combo, but does it weigh 6-3/4 pounds?? Many times that's the hard part!

My "go to" drilling weighs 7 pounds, that's pretty close to the target weight...

DM

dougk · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2011, 05:39:00 AM »

Quote from: Drilling Man on October 20, 2011, 04:17:38 AM

Quote from: dougk on October 19, 2011, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: Drilling Man on October 19, 2011, 03:17:32 PM

Vieerling, on a 20 ga. frame chambered for 16ga. x 16ga.. WITH a 7x65R under/between the shot bbls, and a 22WMR under the rib, above/between the shot bbls... Weight can and should be at 6-3/4 pounds... I want it to be scoped with claw mounts.

Hey DM

Vierlings are very hard to find but I have something close.

My Fortuna is a 16x16/7x65r with a 22 WMR barrel insert and a Zeiss Diavari 2-10x50 scope with claw mounts...

That is a nice combo, but does it weigh 6-3/4 pounds?? Many times that's the hard part!

My "go to" drilling weighs 7 pounds, that's pretty close to the target weight...

DM

The Fortuna weights 124 oz (7.75 lbs) without the scope the scope weights 24 oz

Drilling Man · « **Reply #10 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:49:28 AM »

A little heavy for my likeing, but it would be great for stand hunting where weight isn't as important.

DM

dxtsniper · « **Reply #11 on:** November 02, 2011, 03:46:07 PM »

For squirrel hunting it's hard to beat my Savage 24 S/D in 20/22lr. I have put a serious dent in the local population with it and it also has done double duty as a slug gun for the youngsters that I have taken after deer.

Mike A. · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2011, 05:49:47 PM »

Ideally I'd like a 20 ga over a .25-35WCF (6.35x52R for you Continental types). That would cover most of the hunting I'm likely to do.
I'm set up to load both and have found the .25-35 in my T-C Carbine kills our small blacktails and even pigs if you keep the range at around 100 yards or less. I use better-shaped, slightly lighter bullets than any factory ever loaded in .25-35 ctgs. tho, and slightly warmer loads than factory powder charges.

A combo in that caliber/guage combination could be made very slim and well-balanced for quick wingshooting and easy to carry in the woods. A friend of mine has a 16x8x40R that is close to my ideal weight and balance. It is a prewar J.P. Sauer. He makes the cases out of 8.15x46R and handloads lead bullets in it. So far the biggest thing he's taken with it is a called coyote.

jamesb · « **Reply #13 on:** November 30, 2011, 08:12:53 AM »

Drilling man hit mine on the head except it would have hammers. That would work for everything I hunt. If I were to hit the lottery I would like to get a set commisioned in the following, each engraved with the north american game they would be most suited for:
12x12/.30-06
16x16/.30-30
20x20/.223
28x28/.22 Hornet
.410x.410/.22WMR

Rangr44 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 30, 2011, 12:03:50 PM »

When I was many years younger than I am now, my choice(s) would have been (were) more strenuous - but now that I'm ROFL (retired/old/fat/lazy), they're somewhat changed.

For deer, etc, a Cape Gun or Drilling in 20ga x .243 - the lighter the better (Dural frame ?)

For small game, a 22LR with either a .410 or a 20ga ( I have both a Savage 24 & a Stevens Four-Tenner).

.

dougk · « **Reply #15 on:** December 02, 2011, 03:46:46 PM »

OK
As I asked the question about combo guns, in my view it is the

20/30-30 for survival and specifically Stags Built
12/.222 for raccoon, coyote, skunk in Valmet 412
12/.30-06 for feral hogs in Valmet 412
12/9.3x74r for big hogs and big stuff in Valmet 412
Just mt .2 cents

Doug

pastorp · « **Reply #16 on:** December 03, 2011, 05:46:07 AM »

Sorry Doug but that's 4 combo guns... I thought we were suposted to pick the one that would do it all.

Regards,

Deavis · « **Reply #17 on:** December 03, 2011, 06:23:10 AM »

3006/12 ga for North America....

dougk · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2011, 03:03:28 PM »

Quote from: pastorp on December 03, 2011, 05:46:07 AM

Sorry Doug but that's 4 combo guns... I thought we were suposted to pick the one that would do it all.

Regards,

Byron

Its one for each application...

Over all I would be hard pressed to find something better than the 12/30-06 given the availability of ammo but I really like the Stagss Bilt 20/30-30 for size and weight. I am still formulating my opinion on the 20 ga...

Doug

Tom H. · « **Reply #19 on:** December 10, 2011, 12:41:40 PM »

Until I find a lighter replacement, an A. Zoli in 12ga and 6.5x55. What I would like it to be is a lb lighter, but the rifle barrel is just about as accurate as anything that I have in the safe, shooting into the <3/4" range
It has a similar scope mount as the BRNO so it's a quick detach but heavy.
If it was a SxS it would be perfect.

Yipes, glad that I ripped up that old floor, what a mess.

Cheers

Tom

Drilling Man · « **Reply #20 on:** December 10, 2011, 01:21:12 PM »

12/30-06 in a combo is hard to beat, but i much prefer to have a rimmed rifle cartridge in a break open gun. Anyway, here's how my Valmet 12/30-06 shoots,

And that gun/load has put plenty of meat in my freezer,

DM

Graybeard · « **Reply #21 on:** November 27, 2019, 05:28:36 AM »

Let's bring this one back up and see if folks might want to talk more about it.

DEACONLLB · « **Reply #22 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:17:25 AM »

A very good friend who has passed on a couple years now bought one of the old Remington Spartan double rifles in 30-06 and sent it to someone back east and had one of the barrels converted to smooth bore 410 so he had a double 30-06/410 side by side and he really loved it.

Deaconllb

BUGEYE · « **Reply #23 on:** January 20, 2020, 02:59:18 PM »

Quote from: woodchukhntr on October 18, 2011, 05:51:08 PM

A Savage 24 in .30-30/20 ga. With reloading, the .30-30 will work for almost everything from mice to moose. If you stick to factory ammo, the .30-30 won't hurt your wallet too much either. The older 24V is noticeably lighter than the most recent model, but lacks the screw-in chokes. The .222 or .223/20 ga. is also a good choice althougt the rifle barrel is a little light for deer and .223 ammo is inexpensive.

I owned that very rifle 30-30/20ga at one time and can't think of a more useful combo.
unless it would be 22mag/20ga.