why do black people do this??

[jamaldog87]

McDonald's Worker beats irate customers that jump the counter with a Metal Rod http://youtu.be/dQafDUUCkpY
 
and here is the news story http://youtu.be/Vwk7D7ZjqVI
 
 As a black man I don't know why my people always live up to the same old stereotypes (which to me some of them are true). I had a white friend ask me what the different between black people and the N word and why we use it for some people. Well I told them black people are like me, President Obama and educated black people that try to do right and N's are people that you see in rap videos and are always doing asinine stuff to make the US as a hold look bad.

I work at a store and any bill over 20$ we check no matter who and if you used a 50 at M.C. d's I would really check your money ever if you are the President.

[OldSchoolRanger]

I know about the story.  One of the "women" who were involved in the incident is probably the same one yelling "call the &$#*!@& cops, call the &$#*!@& cops", after they bit off more that they could chew. 

I feel for the McDonalds manager who was fired because he was protecting himself. 

[OldSchoolRanger]

Make sure you watch the video until the end for additional information regarding the participants in this incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-O5hPnmTOY&feature=related

The area where this happened has a problem with "lesbian wolf packs".  A couple of months ago, a group of "girls" severely cut up a guy with knives and boxcutters.  This happened after the guy tried to pick up one of the group.  A couple of the "women" were arrested for gang assault, the guy was taken to a hospital for  surgery.

[jamaldog87]

"lesbian wolf packs ?  were is the sarah palin wolf hunter when you need her   .  that is why i live in FL not the people's republic of new york city.

[cowboy66]

Looks like the man was defending himself, maybe he went a bit overboard, but I wasn't there. My dad taught us growing up to not to start a fight, but if you have to fight do not let your opponent up until the fight is out of them.

[Heather]

The fact that this man is being charged with Felony Assault, and the fact that McDonalds fired him is disturbing. Call me heartless, but the woman who put her hands on that man and then charged the counter got what she deserved. Ok maybe more than she deserved, but that is the chance we all take when resorting to violence.  You never put your hands on someone else in violence and not expect violence in return. They went to ATTACK him, he was defending himself from what I can tell.
Now I can't speak as to McDonalds as a whole or the specific place where the incident occurred, but I know for a fact the policy around here is that if someone doesn't have a gun and comes behind the counter with the intent to harm or steal, employees are ENCOURAGED to use any means necessary to stop them! Maybe thats just a local thing, but I think that is how it should be!
Heather

[blind ear]

When parents no longer teach thier children to respect each other person and don't teach thier children to stay away from such situations, society will eventually have to deal with the problem. Which group is leading the charge, the offenders or the teachers of respect and right is another matter.
 
At some point will blacks as a group speek out against these lax parents or the renegade children and act to stop thier own degredation? Media and being PC have made it "wrong" for any other group to say anything.
 
ear
 

[subdjoe]

Did everyone catch how the talking head, Chris Wraggie, said that the clerk was the attacker?  Guy needs to at least break out a dictionary.

Here is a link to the CBS2 facebook page, hope it opens to that story, http://www.facebook.com/CBSNewYork if not, scroll down to it and give 'em hell about how it was reported.

Make sure you watch the video until the end for additional information regarding the participants in this incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-O5hPnmTOY&feature=related

The area where this happened has a problem with "lesbian wolf packs".  A couple of months ago, a group of "girls" severely cut up a guy with knives and boxcutters.  This happened after the guy tried to pick up one of the group.  A couple of the "women" were arrested for gang assault, the guy was taken to a hospital for  surgery.

[GatCat]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the guy working there is a parolled felon ( manslaughter ??). Obviously has anger problems. IF he used appropriate force ( up to hitting with closed fist ) things might have been ok. But to go back and get a metal bar and crush her skull, well, a little above and beyond what is reasonable. Since he was able to retreat enough to get the bar, he should have contiued to retreat, and notify police. McDonalds will settle out of court for a huge amount of money, which will unfortunately tend to encourage assaultive behavior.
Mark

[subdjoe]

His record has no bearing on him being attacked and defending himself.  We don;t know that he had to retreat past both attackers and then go back in.  It could be that he passed the metal rod while attempting to avoid contact with one and grabbed it.  He didn't go back to a tool room, grab a crowbar and then come back.

And are you saying that you can only meet an attacker with equal force?  If someone attacking you with their fists you can only defend with fists?  The women had clear violent intent - in case you missed it one climbed OVER the counter and the other went to the other end and seemed to enter through the employee gate, so he was surrounded by them.  His paths of retreat seemed cut off.

It is real simple, to avoid being beaten the women could have not started the fight.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the guy working there is a parolled felon ( manslaughter ??). Obviously has anger problems. IF he used appropriate force ( up to hitting with closed fist ) things might have been ok. But to go back and get a metal bar and crush her skull, well, a little above and beyond what is reasonable. Since he was able to retreat enough to get the bar, he should have contiued to retreat, and notify police. McDonalds will settle out of court for a huge amount of money, which will unfortunately tend to encourage assaultive behavior.
Mark

[powderman]

It is real simple, to avoid being beaten the women could have not started the fight.


 
 
Exactly. They kicked the dog and got bit, now they are whining. Low lifes. POWDERMAN. 

[Avyctes]

Call me heartless, but the woman who put her hands on that man and then charged the counter got what she deserved

Exactly what Heather said. 

I have a truncated version of the following quote by Roman orator Cicero that is attached to every post I make. 
He says it more eloquently than can I.

There exists a law, not written down anywhere but inborn in our hearts; a law which comes to us not by training or custom or reading but by derivation and absorption and adoption from nature itself; a law which has come to us not from theory but from practice, not by instruction but by natural intuition. I refer to the law which lays it down that, if our lives are endangered by plots or violence or armed robbers or enemies, any and every method of protecting ourselves is morally right. When weapons reduce them to silence, the laws no longer expect one to await their pronouncements. For people who decide to wait for these will have to wait for justice, too and meanwhile they must suffer injustice first.
Roman Orator Cicero

[cowboy66]

You would think when they saw the metal rod in his hand they would have had enough sense to end the fight and get the heck outa there. But no they kept pushing the attack and got what they deserved. Besides he lives in that neighborhood and I sure he knew what the girls would do if they got their hands on him, they would probably cut him up pretty good.

[blind ear]

Call me heartless, but the woman who put her hands on that man and then charged the counter got what she deserved

Exactly what Heather said. 

I have a truncated version of the following quote by Roman orator Cicero that is attached to every post I make. 
He says it more eloquently than can I.

There exists a law, not written down anywhere but inborn in our hearts; a law which comes to us not by training or custom or reading but by derivation and absorption and adoption from nature itself; a law which has come to us not from theory but from practice, not by instruction but by natural intuition. I refer to the law which lays it down that, if our lives are endangered by plots or violence or armed robbers or enemies, any and every method of protecting ourselves is morally right. When weapons reduce them to silence, the laws no longer expect one to await their pronouncements. For people who decide to wait for these will have to wait for justice, too and meanwhile they must suffer injustice first.
Roman Orator Cicero

 
There is no law inborn in anyone's heart, It must be taught . ear

[billy_56081]

Sounds like she got what was coming to her. I'd vote not guilty if on the jury.

[powderman]

Sounds like she got what was coming to her. I'd vote not guilty if on the jury.

 
YEP, me too. POWDERMAN. 

[bigMikeA]

Sounds like she got what was coming to her. I'd vote not guilty if on the jury.

 
YEP, me too. POWDERMAN. 

yep, ol xenophobic me too!   

[Avyctes]

There is no law inborn in anyone's heart, It must be taught . ear

I disagree.  I think if you're cornered, you don't have to be taught to lash out and defend yourself.

What Cicero was saying is that the right to defend yourself doesn't come from man's law, but is a natural instinct and law can't trump one's natural instinct to defend oneself, and that if you are attacked anything you do to protect yourself is morally right.  Now that doesn't mean the 'law of the land' will agree that it was 'right', but what he is saying is that a higher power has granted you the right to defend yourself. 

[powderman]

what he is saying is that a higher power has granted you the right to defend yourself. 

 
 
Unless you live in England. POWDERMAN. 

[Avyctes]

Unless you live in England. POWDERMAN

That's what I was referring to when I said

Now that doesn't mean the 'law of the land' will agree that it was 'right'

The law doesn't necessarily reflect what we inherrantly know to be true, and we see that every day.

All I'm saying is that in the heat of the moment you will defend yourself and you won't know if you are going beyond what is necessary, because you are making sure that the threat will no longer threaten you.  That's why cops shoot people 40 times even tho' the guy was no longer a threat after he dumped the first mag into him!

But I agree with you on England.  A classic example of liberalism run amock.

[blind ear]

There is no law inborn in anyone's heart, It must be taught . ear

I disagree.  I think if you're cornered, you don't have to be taught to lash out and defend yourself.

What Cicero was saying is that the right to defend yourself doesn't come from man's law, but is a natural instinct and law can't trump one's natural instinct to defend oneself, and that if you are attacked anything you do to protect yourself is morally right.  Now that doesn't mean the 'law of the land' will agree that it was 'right', but what he is saying is that a higher power has granted you the right to defend yourself.

I get your point, I was looking at it from the standpoint of benevolence and not " survival of the fittest". Even so, the clerk went far beyond defending himself to the point that it appeared that his intent was to kill the attacker, not just defend himself. In the same situation I might have done the same, I don't know the extenuateing circumstances. ear

[blind ear]

what he is saying is that a higher power has granted you the right to defend yourself. 

 
 
Unless you live in England. POWDERMAN. 

 
 
A higher power has nothing to do with it, that is part of evolution. ear

[Heather]

There is no law inborn in anyone's heart, It must be taught . ear

I disagree.  I think if you're cornered, you don't have to be taught to lash out and defend yourself.

What Cicero was saying is that the right to defend yourself doesn't come from man's law, but is a natural instinct and law can't trump one's natural instinct to defend oneself, and that if you are attacked anything you do to protect yourself is morally right.  Now that doesn't mean the 'law of the land' will agree that it was 'right', but what he is saying is that a higher power has granted you the right to defend yourself.

 
I get your point, I was looking at it from the standpoint of benevolence and not " survival of the fittest". Even so, the clerk went far beyond defending himself to the point that it appeared that his intent was to kill the attacker, not just defend himself. In the same situation I might have done the same, I don't know the extenuateing circumstances. ear

How do you know that while the girls were behind the counter they weren't still kicking biting and scratching at him out of the view of the camera? The video is limited in its viewpoint after the girls are 'down'. Each blow he sent might have been in self defense. All of that aside had they been still conscious that would have been enough reason for me to keep going. I was taught to fight until my attacker was down and out, AND I could escape to safety. That may be more from the redneck side of my upbringing than the Martial Arts, but it is the only way to ensure personal survival once attacked.
Heather

[OldSchoolRanger]

How do you know that while the girls were behind the counter they weren't still kicking biting and scratching at him out of the view of the camera? The video is limited in its viewpoint after the girls are 'down'. Each blow he sent might have been in self defense. All of that aside had they been still conscious that would have been enough reason for me to keep going. I was taught to fight until my attacker was down and out, AND I could escape to safety. That may be more from the redneck side of my upbringing than the Martial Arts, but it is the only way to ensure personal survival once attacked.Heather

Heather - It's not the "redneck side", it's the realistic side of life.  That's also what is taught in most (I can't say all) law enforcement academies.  Shoot until the attacker is down, and no longer a threat.  And you are correct about what might not have shown up on the camera angle.  We were shown a police shooting video in a training class, and asked to give our responses about whether the shooting was justified.  To the class's horror, the video angle from the patrol car showed the LEO shooting the perp in the back in what looked to be a cold blooded execution.  After our responses about the shooting, we were shown the same shooting from a different patrol car video, it showed the perp shooting at the LEO from under his arm.  Bottom line, shooting was justified. 
I reserve judgement on this McDonald's incident, until the trial is over.  Even tho the McDonalds employee is a prior felon, I currently believe the women who attacked him, deserved what they got.

[OldSchoolRanger]

A quick update on this item, the McDonalds employee, Raymond McIntosh, was not indicted.  He was cleared and released, and the same Manhattan grand jury, has voted for felony charges against the two irate women (Denise Darbeau and Rachel Edwards) who he whipped.

It seems that the Manhattan grand jury finally displayed a little common sense.   

[subdjoe]

From an article posted by TM7 in the Important News subforum:

“He didn’t know if they had a weapon,” lawyer Theodore Herlich told the Daily News Friday. “They were saying, ‘We’re going to f–k you up.’ He thought they were saying, ‘We’re going to cut you up.’ I think the grand jury had a lot of sympathy for him based on the video, based on how the women were behaving.”
“He was at work. He wasn’t looking for trouble,” Herlich said.

Now that McIntosh has been cleared of assault and weapons charges, the women who attacked him are waiting to hear from a grand jury that has not yet voted on the charges of criminal trespassing, menacing and disorderly conduct that the two women face.
The women’s lawyer, Harold Baker, tells the Wall Street Journal that McIntosh is not innocent but a man with a history of violence who viciously attacked two unarmed victims.
“The tragedy here is that the only people facing prosecution are two women who were hospitalized after being brutally beaten by a convicted killer,” Baker said. One of Baker’s clients suffered a fractured skull, broken arm and neurological damage, and the other injuries that  included a serious cut to her face.
 

I wonder how he came to the conclusion that he attacked them when they are the ones who struck first, then came over and around the counter to continue the attack?

[jamaldog87]

That story show why i don't live around the N word people. I am black and i like all gods people but i can't stand N words no matter what colors you are.
 
Boondocks episode Return of the King.
 
Martin Luther King Jr.: Will you ignorant nig(((( PLEASE shut the hell UP? Is this it? THIS is what I got all those ass-whoopings for? I had a dream once but it was a dream that little black girls and black boys would one day drink from the river of prosperity freed from the thirst of oppression. But lo and behold, some four decades later, what have I found, but a bunch of trifling, shiftless, good for nothing ni&*&&s! And I know some of you don't want to hear me say that word! It's the ugliest word in the English language! But that's what I see now! NI!!!!! And you don't want to be a nig@@@r! Because ni&&&&s are living contradictions! Nig!!!!s are full of unfulfilled ambitions! Ni!!!!s wax and wane! Ni@@@s love to complain! Nig****s love to hear themselves talk but hate to explain! Ni!!!s love being another man's judge and jury! Nig!!!!! procrastinate until it's time to worry! Nig!!! LOVE to be late! Nig!!!! HATE to hurry! Black Entertainment Television is the WORST thing I've ever seen in my life! Usher, Michael Jackson is not a genre of music! And don't get me started on Soul Plane! I've seen what's around the corner! I've seen what's over the horizon! And I PROMISE you, you niggers have nothing to celebrate! I know I won't get there with you, because I'm going to Canada!
 
also N words get mad over anything no matter how small and will kill you for it.

[blind ear]

Jamaldog,
 
In your posts you have pretty much covered every holdback for the black race. Too many of the black leaders are still preaching the wrong philosophy. The media pushes that agenda.
 
The black leaders with the work, learn and save message are pushed aside quickly. Too bad they don't have a united front and presentation.
 
Good luck, ear

[OldSchoolRanger]

From an article posted by TM7 in the Important News subforum:

“He didn’t know if they had a weapon,” lawyer Theodore Herlich told the Daily News Friday. “They were saying, ‘We’re going to f–k you up.’ He thought they were saying, ‘We’re going to cut you up.’ I think the grand jury had a lot of sympathy for him based on the video, based on how the women were behaving.”
“He was at work. He wasn’t looking for trouble,” Herlich said.

Now that McIntosh has been cleared of assault and weapons charges, the women who attacked him are waiting to hear from a grand jury that has not yet voted on the charges of criminal trespassing, menacing and disorderly conduct that the two women face.
The women’s lawyer, Harold Baker, tells the Wall Street Journal that McIntosh is not innocent but a man with a history of violence who viciously attacked two unarmed victims.
“The tragedy here is that the only people facing prosecution are two women who were hospitalized after being brutally beaten by a convicted killer,” Baker said. One of Baker’s clients suffered a fractured skull, broken arm and neurological damage, and the other injuries that  included a serious cut to her face.
 

I wonder how he came to the conclusion that he attacked them when they are the ones who struck first, then came over and around the counter to continue the attack?

subdjoe,
 I wonder what the attorney would say if a person stated: "Don't use Harold Baker as an attorney to represent you.  He is a lawyer with a history of losing cases?"  Probably scream bloody murder. 
 I agree wholeheartedly with Raymond McIntosh's attorney Theodore Herlich when he said: "He was at work. He wasn’t looking for trouble," . 

 BTW Mr. McIntosh has been released from jail, and just landed a new job.  I wish Mr. McIntosh the best of luck in his pursuit of a honest living.

[gypsyman]

Hope he has a job other than a fast food place. Sounds like he has my kind of luck. Lucky he didn't get sued by an old white lady spilling hot coffee in her lap. He could have got 5 years for that! gypsyman