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dirty stinkin' occupiers
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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2011, 03:11:19 AM »
the occupiers have no idea what democracy is.  they still want their student loans forgiven, free college and free health care. that's socialism.
the local budweiser plant has plenty of job openings for people who went to trade school.
but that would mean they would have to WORK.
this generation wants a cushy job, fancy office and inflated salary without having to earn it.
they don't want to be plumbers, electricians, carpenters, truck drivers.
once the self-sufficient generation is gone, this country is in trouble.
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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2011, 08:02:39 AM »
the occupiers have no idea what democracy is.  ...

Bugeye, I respectfully disagree.
 
My view of Democracy is the freedom to express any ideas no matter how much I agree or disagree with them.  We can not really be free if we are allowed to stiffle ideas we don't agree with.  "Majority Rule", in this country at least, does not allow for the majority to over rule the rights of the minority. 
 
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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2011, 08:32:11 AM »
the occupiers have no idea what democracy is.  ...

Bugeye, I respectfully disagree.
 
My view of Democracy is the freedom to express any ideas no matter how much I agree or disagree with them.  We can not really be free if we are allowed to stiffle ideas we don't agree with.  "Majority Rule", in this country at least, does not allow for the majority to over rule the rights of the minority. 
 
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my point was that they are using democracy to demand socialism.  everyone has 1st amendment freedoms, sorta, but when they demand that I pay for their education and health care, their freedoms end where mine begins...
TM7 made an amusing comment, calling it a "moral" demonstration.  what's moral about defecating in the street, doing drugs and public sex.  I've said before, I'm glad I'm old.
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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2011, 09:30:05 AM »
BUGEYE,
 
That is why I only selected part of your statement about Democracy.  I was pointing out the right to say/protest ANYTHING.  What we do as a country and electorate is different and another discussion.  I did not take issue (not agreeing or disagreeing) with the merits of the demands or other actions.  I do believe the greatest benefit of public protest is to bring issues out in the open where they can live or die based on their relative merits.  At the time I did not agree with the Vietnam war protesters, but in retrospect I believe we should not have done what we did in Vietnam.  We lost a lot of good people for not a good cause.  We might have done something more limited (maybe) but the cost was not worth the reward IMHO.  The bottom line is the protest caused a lot of public debate that probably ended the war earlier.

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2011, 09:32:20 AM »
Sounds like they want affrimative action for the majority ...........
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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2011, 09:40:46 AM »
you're right, we have the freedom to protest.
however, going back to VN, I still hate the protesters that spat on returning troops. the troops should have turned on them for a life lesson.
I watched the hippie movement too. nothing but lowlifes and dope heads.
there's one here who equates the Tea Party to a mob worse worse than the occupiers.
wrong, I been to them and its orderly discussions and totally mainstream.
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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2011, 10:52:02 AM »
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Please don't fall for this smear propaganda from FOXy, etc

I haven't seen Fox news smear the occupiers, I have seen them report on the scene and leave it to us to decide.  I also watch MSNBC and others like them because I think it's wise to compare all.  After watching everything, I think FOX is better than the rest.  I must not be alone, as the others need tax dollars to survive, and FOX does OK with no help at all with more viewers.  If there is any other new station around I'm open to it all...reporting is easy to sift through and figure out the message, but on the scene seems to be the best, and of course there is always you can go to see these occupiers for yourself as well.  Even better.  The ones that showed up here in Grand Rapids made a mess and left it.  The Tea Party people that came here left it better than they found it...they made their own clean up crews.  What else does anyone need to compare except the actions of the people themselves?  Sure you can find some kind of explanation for them wrecking public property, but the Tea Party people did not need anyone sticking up for them at all.  Things had to be made up about the TP, there wasn't anything to really bitch about....stop spending uncontrollably...whoopy do....a big bad message there huh? 
You can always tell who out there is not doing so well...they need your tax dollars to operate...they can't do much on their own, and they usually cost us money no matter what they do.  Lets give some praise to anyone out there that does not need tax support to run a business and anyone who shows respect to others.  If the occupiers ever come back to Michigan I'll keep an open mind, probably based on how they conduct themselves and their appearance.  That is fair. 
Progressive news is actually fun to watch, since your probably paying for it, at least enjoy it once in a while for a chuckle.  The ratings won't go up because you tuned in for a half hour or so...that's about all anyone can take.   ;)   
 

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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2011, 10:53:39 AM »
If these pukes that think they have the right to a free education want to protest then they should protest the colleges and universities. They are the ones that set the exorbitant tuition rates they are the ones that pack degree requirements full of a bunch of B.S. courses that have nothing to do with the major and they are the ones that are constantly adding courses to the degree requirements while the student struggles to pay the tuition and just get through. But I'll bet none of this ever crossed one of these brain dead drones' minds.
 
I have recently gone back to college and I despise that place with every fiber of my being. They are nothing but a bunch of organized criminals who's criminal activity is sanctioned by an even bigger group of organized criminals-the government.
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2011, 11:34:41 AM »
briarpatch, I've been to two different locations and in both cases it was just like you say, TPers act like civilized people.  now that it's cooler, I'm gonna find another one.
the county I live in couldn't scrape together enough civilized people to have a rally.
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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2011, 01:25:21 PM »
the occupiers have no idea what democracy is.  ...

Bugeye, I respectfully disagree.
 
My view of Democracy is the freedom to express any ideas no matter how much I agree or disagree with them.  We can not really be free if we are allowed to stiffle ideas we don't agree with.  "Majority Rule", in this country at least, does not allow for the majority to over rule the rights of the minority. 
 
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That is why the founders left us with a Republic rather than a democracy.  In a true democracy, 500,001 can strip the rights from the other 499,999.
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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2011, 03:03:21 PM »
Kinda funny how the big hoopla about the police pepper spraying to parasites went bye bye when it came out the parasites were spitting on the police.
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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 06:18:59 PM »
Kinda funny how the big hoopla about the police pepper spraying to parasites went bye bye when it came out the parasites were spitting on the police.

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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2011, 06:13:22 AM »
you're right, we have the freedom to protest.
however, going back to VN, I still hate the protesters that spat on returning troops. the troops should have turned on them for a life lesson.
I watched the hippie movement too. nothing but lowlifes and dope heads.
there's one here who equates the Tea Party to a mob worse worse than the occupiers.
wrong, I been to them and its orderly discussions and totally mainstream.

Well, I don't want to turn this into a 'spittin' contest', but BUGEYE you are SO wrong.
I knew lots of hippes and leftists back in 'the day'.
Absolutely no leftist would spit on a returning soldier or condone it. They worked hard at getting support from the troops (and got it too) giving them every consideration and favor.
As far as 'hippies go, they were a mixed bunch. Some were lowlifes, some the best people you could ever meet, generous, honest, and loving. (some most loving :)...

Now you could give me  anecdotal  evidence that so-and-so got spit on, and I couldn't deny it. I'm sure it happened somewhere. But to say it was widespread would be about as silly as saying an adrenaline pumped up young GI just back from combat duty would not beat the snot out of the spitter.


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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 06:37:08 AM »
Kinda funny how the big hoopla about the police pepper spraying to parasites went bye bye when it came out the parasites were spitting on the police.

That certainly was a measured and appropriate response from our public servants.  I sincerely hope that next time any protester in any protest spits on a cop that the cops pepper spray the crowd, initiate a police riot and beat up and jail everyone they can get their hands on.

billy, do you honestly think that in a group of hundreds of people, any group....you can stop a loonie or provocateur from doing something criminal, disgusting or stupid?
Why it's impossible! Therefore, NO public demonstrations or protests could be carried out. Period.
It's fully documented there are informers (sent and paid for by only God knows who) in the 'occupy' crowd. Why wouldn't there be provocateurs?

I'm sure that spitting on cops, or any other similar type of rudeness, is denounced publicly by the 'occupy' organizers. I'm certain the individuals that do that kind of thing are shunned and reprimanded by the other protesters.

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2011, 06:51:12 AM »
TM, I've only been to two rallies, thin experience, but I don't recall corps being mentioned. the rallies were about waste in government.  what's wrong with that ?  unless of course you happen to be a socialist.  just saying.

rio grande, you obviously was not there.  all the news angencies showed the hippie types lined up to spit on returning troops.  I'm not saying the war was right.  but I clearly see the paralell between then and now.  people like those and these are the scourge of society.
as bad as my county is doing in these economic times, there are still help wanted signs around.
the occupiers want socialism not jobs.
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2011, 01:04:13 PM »
I'm just listening to the people in my area, my neighbors, people I work with.  Limited probably, but these people who say they like the TP, whatever it is, or whatever they think it is, are not like anything you make them out to be.  I know things would be different if I were living in another place, I'd be surrounded by the goons in some big city in some left wing state, but the bottom line over this way we only want the government to stop, go backwards, stop wasting our money and squandering our wealth.  No matter who you personally blame, in your case, "corporations"...or anyone who is considered wealthy, it is our government who set up whatever it is you/we don't like.  I can't for the life of see how getting the current corrupt government we have to go after the "wealth"....raise taxes on so and so....would work out at all considering they been doing that for decades. OK..fine do it more...but what has it got us so far?  Worse off.  Why...cause our government is in capable of running a bordello time let alone tax exactly who you want them too.  First things first.  Beat back the government and force them to stop spending, and do it in such gigantic steps it hurts like hell and people scream about it.  You don't go through that first, you got nothing, ever. You got to this point by trying to finagle the money around instead of watching the government spending...don't make no sense to keep this up two more decades. First thing anyone does when they got money problems is a budget, a real one, where you don't spend more than you have. Most people that get into trouble are doing the finagling.  Government is no different. We can deal with that after we fix what needs to be fixed. 
We made all the regulations you hate in congress, it's years of legislation and corruption, let's knock out our government first, after that is fixed you want to knock out a corporation that does not pay enough taxes, fine, but chances are you change the legislation that allows this you won't need to.  Flat tax em...no loopholes...not a big deal.  Won't do you no good to do that now, these clowns will spend all that before the next hour goes by, you'd be wasting the wealth.  The root of the problem is not your "corporations"...or any of the fat cats, it's your government.   I never hear a socialist agree to any kind of budget or admit a spending problem, it's always "take their money, they have a bunch".  The ironic thing is, the socialist created exactly what you have now. A spending problem.  An idiot can be both rep and Dem, there are no specific parties for this, it's all over.  Democrats racked up the most points for being idiots only because they have held the power the most, but so what.  What does it matter at this point?  We have to defeat congress and our governments overall attitude first, not give them more money to spend.


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Re: dirty stinkin' occupiers
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2011, 03:58:04 PM »
Kinda funny how the big hoopla about the police pepper spraying to parasites went bye bye when it came out the parasites were spitting on the police.

Maybe if it were true it would be funny, but it's not true. You are - again - repeating a lie. The women mace'd by Tony Bolony didn't spit on him. That officer is a coward and a disgrace to his uniform, and could use a good hard smack up the side of the head - several, in fact.
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2011, 04:34:45 PM »
Cops can get out of hand same as anyone else, truth be told those kinds of protests where there is any kind of destructive activities going on anywhere around and high tensions is a darn good place to stay away from.  If my kids were young teenagers I would give them the advice to go target shooting instead of being around that stuff, it's only trouble to get caught up in some gatherings.  You get caught up in it and arrested for something you can't even carry a gun anymore because you have a record.  Pretty dumb just being there if even a very few are being destructive you can get caught up in it and get yourself in trouble.  That's another thing, how smart is it to try and make a cop mad at you?  Sure there are some bad cops around and if you look for them and taunt them, you'll likely find a bad one with a short fuse if you look long enough.  And some will wonder why the TP people had no cop problems.  Well I didn't see any TP people taunting police officers and breaking things and looking for a police officer with a short fuse. 
 
I have no idea what happened there, but you mix up a high strung crowd that stops traffic and is destructive your going to have some problems on both sides. I'd stay a long ways away from that stuff. 

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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2011, 05:11:02 PM »
I have no idea what happened there...

what happened was the following:
 
1. NYPD police commander, a Deputy Inspector Anthony Bologna, decided to show who was boss. He walked up to some women pinned behind a police barrier, sprayed them in the face, then nonchalantly walked away & re-holstered his can.
2. This incident was caught on video, multiple angles. Bologna now says he was aiming at someone else, not at the three women he sprayed.
3. It has been that these women were spitting on police. Bologna hasn't even made that claim; he says his target were three mysterious miscreants hiding on the ground, when he sprayed the (standing) ladies in the face in violation of NYPD policy.
4. The NYPD has investigated, and Bologna now faces a slap on the wrist, or he could fight it -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/19/officer-anthony-bologna-v_n_1019342.html

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/topics/anthony-bologna/

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/10/nypds-pepper-spray-cop-docked-10-vacation-days/43847/

more to come

Bologna may get away with it; police like to be able to do with sort of thing with impunity. I personally think a couple smacks across the beak by someone bigger than himself would be about right. But that's not nice, is it? Instead, charge him with assault. What would I be charged with, if I sprayed cop in face with mace? If I survived?

There you go... now you know what happened.
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2011, 05:21:20 PM »
I think you better do your research the parasite protester was charged with assault for spitting on the cops.


The partial truth in your story is that they did not spit on Bolgna. It was the officers holding thhe barracade.

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2011, 05:30:13 AM »
You guys keep repeating these inflammatory, personal remarks and I'll keep deleting them or lock it down!......................."Your choice"
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2011, 02:12:54 PM »
I don't believe the cop was spit at or on.

But, that being said, pepper spray or mace is not an appropriate response to being spit at by already arrested women.  Disparity of force. 

Pull a can of pepper spray on a cop and see just how serious the lawman considers that. You probably would be shot before you could use it.

In both instances, that of the cop tormenting helpless women - and a cops probable response to the possibility of being pepper sprayed himself,  you see how our 'servants' consider themselves far more important than us mere 'public'.

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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2011, 02:39:08 PM »
the occupiers have no idea what democracy is.  ...

Bugeye, I respectfully disagree.
 
My view of Democracy is the freedom to express any ideas no matter how much I agree or disagree with them.  We can not really be free if we are allowed to stiffle ideas we don't agree with.  "Majority Rule", in this country at least, does not allow for the majority to over rule the rights of the minority. 
 
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I too disagree. They fully know what democracy is.  They have a problem with personal property, right and wrong.
After all if we have 10 people and 8 vote to steel the money of the richest 2 that is democracy, mob rule.  It does not make it right.  It does not make it moral.  That is why we have a Republic and not a mob rule.