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What Wall St. protesters have right
« on: October 19, 2011, 08:58:17 AM »
If you can look past the hippie overtones, what the protests are really saying is that we need good jobs, honest banks and fair-and-square politics. It’s hard to disagree with any of that.
 
http://money.msn.com/investing/what-wall-street-protesters-have-right-brush.aspx
 
Message No. 1: Growing income disparities threaten everyone
Message No. 2: We need real bank reform
Message No. 3: Political cronyism ruins democracy
 
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2011, 09:00:31 AM »
If you can look past the hippie overtones, what the protests are really saying is that we need good jobs, honest banks and fair-and-square politics. It’s hard to disagree with any of that.
 
http://money.msn.com/investing/what-wall-street-protesters-have-right-brush.aspx
 
Message No. 1: Growing income disparities threaten everyone
Message No. 2: We need real bank reform
Message No. 3: Political cronyism ruins democracy

Seems reasonable to me.
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2011, 09:21:00 AM »
and free college tuition and free medical care and freedom to defecate in the street and freedom to engage in public sex and freedom to interfere with working people.

yep, I'm on their side. ::)

maybe if they acted like decent thinking people, others would listen.

oh and the american communist party and the nazi party and union thugs are also on their side.
 
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2011, 09:28:43 AM »
Income , sorry I don't buy into this as much as some. When the same protestors buy lotto tickets seeking the same thing as the lucky investors .......... And much of the wealth on wall st is 401 K plans and such. No when someone spends $90,000.00 + borrowed money to get an education and then does not want to pay it back I have no use for them. Hey they invested the time the lending insitution invested the money should not both profit ?
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2011, 09:47:38 AM »
shootall said.
Term limits , TERM LIMITS ! Did I hear term limits ?



agreed.
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2011, 06:35:13 PM »
and free college tuition and free medical care and freedom to defecate in the street and freedom to engage in public sex and freedom to interfere with working people.

yep, I'm on their side. ::)

maybe if they acted like decent thinking people, others would listen.

oh and the american communist party and the nazi party and union thugs are also on their side.

and way too many Joe and Edna Six Pac whose opinions are formed by their 26" peephole into paradise are also on their side.  Sad and scary.

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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2011, 08:14:25 PM »
If you can look past the hippie overtones, what the protests are really saying is that we need good jobs, honest banks and fair-and-square politics. It’s hard to disagree with any of that.
 

Yep...and that was what got the TEA movement branded as RAAAAcist. 

And isn't it odd that at all the major city Occupation, you see people in Guy Fawkes masks, and nothing is said about it?  For those of you who don't know , Guy Fawkes was captured as he was getting ready to set off kegs of gunpowder under the Parliament Building at a time when the king was going to be there.  So, these people are saying that Congress should be blown up as well as the president.  Can you imagine if someone at a TEA rally wore one of those masks?  How the media would howl about racism and violence.

How about that unfunny comedian, Rosanne, and her death threats?  Why no screams about advocating violence and keeping the conversation civil?    You know, like when that map came out a little while ago with sight reticles over congressional districts that should be targeted?  Why isn't an explicit call for beheadings treated as a death threat?

I will say, that in the year or so of planning these spontaneous, grassroots occupations, the organizers did learn from watching the TEA movement. Gone are the daily riots we saw in 08 at the protests at the major conventions, and at every G8 conference.  And while the NY event had a lot of trash piling up, and none of the occupations have broken up, we do not seem to be seeing the huge mounds of trash just left for others to clean up.  We'll see what happens when they leave though.
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 10:32:41 AM »
If you can look past the hippie overtones, what the protests are really saying is that we need good jobs, honest banks and fair-and-square politics. It’s hard to disagree with any of that.
 



And isn't it odd that at all the major city Occupation, you see people in Guy Fawkes masks, and nothing is said about it?  For those of you who don't know , Guy Fawkes was captured as he was getting ready to set off kegs of gunpowder under the Parliament Building at a time when the king was going to be there.  So, these people are saying that Congress should be blown up as well as the president.  Can you imagine if someone at a TEA rally wore one of those masks?  How the media would howl about racism and violence.



Hey, where have you been?
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 01:41:54 PM »
If you can look past the hippie overtones, what the protests are really saying is that we need good jobs, honest banks and fair-and-square politics. It’s hard to disagree with any of that.
 
http://money.msn.com/investing/what-wall-street-protesters-have-right-brush.aspx
 
Message No. 1: Growing income disparities threaten everyone
Message No. 2: We need real bank reform
Message No. 3: Political cronyism ruins democracy
If you look past the morons, thugs, anti semites, communists, anarchists, and the "cool factor" of fighting the man that this has attracted that want things but have others payu for it.  Remember Lady Thatcher "Socialism works until you run out of other people's money"  Well we are there.  And these peopel want more free stuff and think they are owed it.
Fist of all the income disparities are not as large as they say.  Even smaller if you illiminate the illegals from the rolls. (they are not supose to be here so they should not be counted)  But you can look at any congressional act or EPA rule that has killed manufacturing, mining, processing, building, constrution, added to the costs of fuel and has killed many jobs in the country.  Allowing companies to do what they do, allowing banks to act as banks and not wealth transfer stations and wages will go up, jobs will be created that looks for labor and raises wages to keep workers happy.  New job creation makes upward movement possible and the only ones that are left behind are the ones  that want to be victoms and not do anything.  Our war on Poverty means that thousands of Government workers NEED poor people  and need generations of poor to keep their jobs.
If they understood what you laid out they would not be protesting at Wall Street but at Capital hill and at 1600 Pen Ave. DC about lower taxes, fewer regulations, and less government intervention.
Everything I have heard from the OWS crowd are askingfor more regulations.  My question is if these people are not in Wall Street, are not Bankers, and are not economists what makes you think that they know best how to run a company, bank, financial instutition, or governemnt.  After all you would not let these people make the safety rules at a Nuke plant cause they can plug in a lamp.  And yet you are allowing these people top steer congress to make rules and regulations over the whole economy and make companies do what they know is wrong.  Sub Prime lending for example.  We knew that the loans were not going to be repaid.  And that as Money was cheap for houses that the price for houses was going to go through the roof.  Barney Frank who wrote the law KNEW it.  And yet no one is calling for his head but those of the bankers that made the bad loan they had to by law.
Adam Smith and the Wealth of Nations should be mandatory reading for all Congressmen.  "hands off Business" .  No loans, no bailouts, no sweetheart deals, and no laws counter to the opperation of the business.  Lower taxes!  Cut Federal spending.  And we need to end the safety nets for investments.  The Government safety net is what allowed Bernie Madoff to steal Billions as people did not do their part in researching the investment.  They only saw an up side and bet heavy.

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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 03:00:48 PM »
http://money.msn.com/investing/what-wall-street-protesters-have-right-brush.aspx
 
Message No. 1: Growing income disparities threaten everyone
 
The growth of income disparity is really between the people who "work" for a living even CEO's and those of enormous wealth which has typically been inherited over generations and controlled by families. Here the issue is not jealously, but rather what it does to the total economy.  Working people SPEND a larger portion of their income; large income from wealth DOES NOT get spent to the same degree.  Look at history, this usually does not end well.   

Message No. 2: We need real bank reform
 
Remember when Banks just managed and loaned money?  Remember when "Insurance Companies" wrote insurance only?  Remember when you invested in stock (not repackaged financial "instruments" few understand)through a "Stock Broker".  No more - Bank at State Farm Bank, buy Insurance through your "investment counselor", Trade stock at the "Bank"????????
We did "De-Regulate" the financial industry through out the 1990's and 2000's and here we are.  If we De-Regulated the Airlines this way, planes would be falling from the sky.  Finally can anyone explain "derivatives" (financial not math) to me???
 
Message No. 3: Political cronyism ruins democracy
 
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 07:32:59 AM »
Income , sorry I don't buy into this as much as some. When the same protestors buy lotto tickets seeking the same thing as the lucky investors .......... And much of the wealth on wall st is 401 K plans and such. No when someone spends $90,000.00 + borrowed money to get an education and then does not want to pay it back I have no use for them. Hey they invested the time the lending insitution invested the money should not both profit ?
Bank reform YES !
Term limits , TERM LIMITS ! Did I hear term limits ?

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Some misunderstanding here. The education loan industry is parallel to the home loan credit industry bubble/boondoggle,,,,, derived, bundled, and swapped....a rigged game to pump up the Education Industry and feed Debt Merchants. The difference is you can never never walk away from a sudent loan, never. The estimated funds in jeopardy for Ed loans now exceeds $1 trillion...!! If you're a student that is in hock for $100k and you can't find a job or afford to live on minimum wage, you're still on the hook for accrual of interest on principle...you will never escape this....not even in bankruptcy court (one of Bush Jrs. first acts was to make Student Loans unforgivable).  If this is your situation with student loans...you have a real problem and no light at the end of the tunnel. I reckon most of these 'students' would prefer having a job to pay off their loans rather than be in a pauper's prison.
 
 
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And the same liberal professors that are paid 6 figures and hate capitalism, are the ones that should be happy that we are in the state we are in, but at the same time they require the students to go into massive debt to pay their bloated salaries.  I notice that everyone wants some one else to pay for college but no one askes the professor to make what a kinder garden teacher makes.  In stead they make 4 to 5 times as much.  But spout off about Marx and the each acording to his means from his needs.  Teaching is teaching and shouldn't all be paid the same?  If state school professors were paid what public school teachers were paid wouldn't that make education more affordable?  But no one asks them to make less.  Why?  we have a Business Czar that cut pay for exucitives whty notthe education Czar mandate lower Pay for college professors to make tuition more affordable?

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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2011, 01:22:49 AM »
  Did you ever meet one of those folks who have a tattoo of a serpent wrapped around their face, perhaps their tongue split like a snake and maybe some 3" wooden discs placed in holes in their ears..and this dude starts to talk "politics" with you ?
 
    1) Did he appear to be a stable, incisive, person..worth listening to ?
    2) Did you consider him a 'reliable, unbiased source of information ?
    3) What was the REAL message you got from him ?
 
   For the same reasons, most of us are not likely to take anyone seriously who practices nudity, defecation on streets and police cars, engaging in sex, smoking dope, blocking free commerce, swearing and cursing, screaming anti-semite slogans, making unnecessary noise and threatening violence....ALL IN PUBLIC.
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McWoodduck sugggests Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" should be mandatory reading..starting in HS..
    For all here..McWoodducks reply #8 should be mandatory reading. 
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2011, 01:38:51 AM »
As much as I dislike them, I have to say no CEO deserves $67 million a year when his employees childern are going hungry.  Can't they invest in their employees a little?  Pay them a fair wage?  Hell they run the company out of business get 15 million to leave and the taxpayers then try to bail the company out.
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2011, 01:39:40 AM »
  rio grande states;
 
  "  Hey, where have you been?  If it wasn't for the TEA Party Guy Fawkes would be relatively unknown here in the U.S."
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  Hey rio;
  The infamous "Guy Fawkes" attempted assassination of parliment was perpetrated 15 years before the Pilgrims landed in Plymouth.  Obviously, the Separatists were well aware of the failed plot years before they set sail.  I doubt I am alone in wondering just how the original Tea Party, some 170 years later alerted people in the American colonies to information they already had studied in their history books..
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2011, 02:18:07 PM »
Income , sorry I don't buy into this as much as some. When the same protestors buy lotto tickets seeking the same thing as the lucky investors .......... And much of the wealth on wall st is 401 K plans and such. No when someone spends $90,000.00 + borrowed money to get an education and then does not want to pay it back I have no use for them. Hey they invested the time the lending insitution invested the money should not both profit ?
Bank reform YES !
Term limits , TERM LIMITS ! Did I hear term limits ?

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Some misunderstanding here. The education loan industry is parallel to the home loan credit industry bubble/boondoggle,,,,, derived, bundled, and swapped....a rigged game to pump up the Education Industry and feed Debt Merchants. The difference is you can never never walk away from a sudent loan, never. The estimated funds in jeopardy for Ed loans now exceeds $1 trillion...!! If you're a student that is in hock for $100k and you can't find a job or afford to live on minimum wage, you're still on the hook for accrual of interest on principle...you will never escape this....not even in bankruptcy court (one of Bush Jrs. first acts was to make Student Loans unforgivable).  If this is your situation with student loans...you have a real problem and no light at the end of the tunnel. I reckon most of these 'students' would prefer having a job to pay off their loans rather than be in a pauper's prison.
 
 
..TM7
And the same liberal professors that are paid 6 figures and hate capitalism, are the ones that should be happy that we are in the state we are in, but at the same time they require the students to go into massive debt to pay their bloated salaries.  I notice that everyone wants some one else to pay for college but no one askes the professor to make what a kinder garden teacher makes.  In stead they make 4 to 5 times as much.  But spout off about Marx and the each acording to his means from his needs.  Teaching is teaching and shouldn't all be paid the same?  If state school professors were paid what public school teachers were paid wouldn't that make education more affordable?  But no one asks them to make less.  Why?  we have a Business Czar that cut pay for exucitives whty notthe education Czar mandate lower Pay for college professors to make tuition more affordable?

Mcwooduck.....I doubt all college profs are raving marxists as you imply, probably very rare even in of poli sci-history departments. This sounds like a class warfare-wealth envy rant....Most academics fully know the health and attendence at their universities is directly related to the health and vigor of the economy. Health and vigor of the economy is also directly related to grants in study that universities rely, too. Most American citizens, lefties or righties, realize the value of higher education if America is to be competitive in Global Economy.

 
Ditto what swampie said....greed is wrecking the economy and our society, further pushing back before the birth of Christ.
 
 
..TM7
TM7,
I was just applying the liberal argument as to getting costs down .    Isn't is the greed of the education system that is driving costs up?  Why should a Professor make 6 figures or more of state money and the Janator has kids on welfare and food stamps? 
Why is it the banks fault they loan money to a student so they can attend and not the school its self for how much it costs? 
Again no one is making the mtake the money and go to school. 
I was trying to illastrate that no matter the industry unless you are the one paying them and you have figured out what it will take to hire them and what it is worth to you, to have them do that job.  If a College President makes a few million or make 50k is it any of your business?  If the President of a company makes 67Million  does it effect you if they make less or more?
Clearly the class warfare is what you see and some how certtain groups get a pass on making too much?  A cCEO fromn Handgun Control Inc?   They gety a Pass?  Does the Charity that pays their CEO millions?  Think about that one the next time you donate to any cause.

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2011, 02:42:29 PM »
  Let's face it..today's "education" industry is a rip-off !  Some profs get paid huge wages, and rarely ever teach a class.  They spend this stolen time, writing text books..text books they charge an obscene price for..and rig... so the books cannot be passed on from year to year and student to student..
  We see some such schools take huge sums to do "research" for various entities.  They are well aware that if the "research" leads in a certain direction..more millions of bucks will be forthcoming for more "research".
   NOTE: East Anglia University and their costly "research" which brought millions of $$$$$ from the UN and Al Gore & Co..
 
  Should not these students (and their profs) be demonstrating on their own college campus and in front of it's administrative offices ?
 
  I guess they aren't there because they don't think for themselves..they let the profs do their thinking for them !
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2011, 02:42:48 PM »
Nobody is worth even a million.  In fact the CEOs I've worked with did nothing to make the company better.  In fact they had almost no idea what we did.
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2011, 02:49:49 PM »
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2011, 03:13:24 PM »
Nobody is worth even a million.  In fact the CEOs I've worked with did nothing to make the company better.  In fact they had almost no idea what we did.
I met 2 of deltas CEOs and they both new exactly what we did.  that's why they were CEOs.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2011, 03:20:22 PM »
Not much to know I suspect.  I've worked with many of them.
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2011, 04:18:02 PM »
  rio grande states;
 
  "  Hey, where have you been?  If it wasn't for the TEA Party Guy Fawkes would be relatively unknown here in the U.S."
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  Hey rio;
  The infamous "Guy Fawkes" attempted assassination of parliment was perpetrated 15 years before the Pilgrims landed in Plymouth.  Obviously, the Separatists were well aware of the failed plot years before they set sail.  I doubt I am alone in wondering just how the original Tea Party, some 170 years later alerted people in the American colonies to information they already had studied in their history books..


 You should know as well as I do that I was referring to the modern Tea Party, not the original one.
 
'Relatively unknown' in the modern era I mean.
 Today,  folks in the U.S., who learn their history in 'government' schools, would not be expected to know much about Fawkes.
But really it was the film 'V for Vendetta' that recently popularized Guy Fawkes.  This film resonated w/ some of the Tea Party people, and it just kinda took off from there.
No arguing that Fawkes could be considered a 'terrorist' - just as King George would have characterized many of the signers of our Declaration of Independence as 'terrorists'.

http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/

"And isn't it odd that at all the major city Occupation, you see people in Guy Fawkes masks, and nothing is said about it?  For those of you who don't know , Guy Fawkes was captured as he was getting ready to set off kegs of gunpowder under the Parliament Building at a time when the king was going to be there.  So, these people are saying that Congress should be blown up as well as the president.  Can you imagine if someone at a TEA rally wore one of those masks?  How the media would howl about racism and violence."  -subdjoe, see post above.

I was just pointing out in response to subdjoe, that the Tea Party used Guy Fawkes masks well before the OWS did.
To malign OWS because of Guy Fawkes masks is sort of an uninformed and ineffective shot.

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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2011, 01:43:34 AM »
To malign OWS because of Guy Fawkes masks is sort of an uninformed and ineffective shot.

You're gonna get a lot of that, here, especially the uninformed part.
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2011, 02:47:11 AM »
the point i'd like to see expanded on here is greed. every person is guilty of it but it is only the corporate unbridled greed that is able to destroy. corporate greed has the resources, education, legal counsel, govt approval to continue in an unending grab for profit. this is a short sighted point of view that corporations constantly seek to convince the general public is good for them and the country. it ends in a sort of feudalism. or a kingdom with peasants. france had to have a revolution.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2011, 03:24:53 AM »
as an example lets say you work in a nice quiet non union shop making paper clips. make a decent wage and company has a profit. big company says i will buy this shop. good. the big guys shut you down and bring in their chinese paper clips. didn't you work hard enough? were you lazy or wanted too much time off? did your paper clips suck? no it's just business. no it's just greed
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2011, 05:32:11 AM »
as an example lets say you work in a nice quiet non union shop making paper clips. make a decent wage and company has a profit. big company says i will buy this shop. good. the big guys shut you down and bring in their chinese paper clips. didn't you work hard enough? were you lazy or wanted too much time off? did your paper clips suck? no it's just business. no it's just greed

How would it make any sense to buy a domestic plant, shut it down and then bring in Chinese made clips?  Why not just bring in the foreign product to start with? 
 
I know of several businesses that tried to make it, but couldn't compete, so they tried the Chinese route; that didn't work either.  Some business plans just don't work, no matter where they are based.
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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2011, 07:15:06 AM »
Nobody is worth even a million.  In fact the CEOs I've worked with did nothing to make the company better.  In fact they had almost no idea what we did.
No they are not worth a Million to you.
If I could make you 20 Million a year am I worth a million a year?  That is what is going on.
If you could make me 20 Million a tear, I would easily pay you a Million, maybe two or three.

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Re: What Wall St. protesters have right
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2011, 07:38:28 AM »
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TM7,
I was just applying the liberal argument as to getting costs down .    Isn't is the greed of the education system that is driving costs up?  Why should a Professor make 6 figures or more of state money and the Janator has kids on welfare and food stamps? Well yeah, I think the OWSt people would say all people should be payed a living wage, and extreme wages/incomes are greed...greed is mining the system at everybody else's expense..it affects you and me...One reason Jesus banished the money changers.
Why is it the banks fault they loan money to a student so they can attend and not the school its self for how much it costs? 
Again no one is making the mtake the money and go to school. Schools administer the loans, the money comes from Banks (of course) or directly from the gov thru banks...part of the rigging. 
I was trying to illastrate that no matter the industry unless you are the one paying them and you have figured out what it will take to hire them and what it is worth to you, to have them do that job.  If a College President makes a few million or make 50k is it any of your business? Its part of my business if it is harming individuals, people or the system, or criminally derived. properly operating societies have a moral compass not an-anything-you-can-get-away with method. If the President of a company makes 67Million  does it effect you if they make less or more? Yes in time, devalues what I got, mines/extracts the system, leads to unabalanced influence peddling, fascism, and meliorated slavery and poverty.
Clearly the class warfare is what you see and some how certtain groups get a pass on making too much?  A cCEO fromn Handgun Control Inc?   They gety a Pass?  Does the Charity that pays their CEO millions?  Think about that one the next time you donate to any cause. Class warfare is the way of the world in struggle to survive....the history of the world is little more the history of class warfare, crime, and slavery. If you are going to have a 'civilized society' you would be mandated to have an operating moral compass.  The moral compass in the USA has been damaged or loss.....when wealth/power is consolidated in fewer and fewer hands you will get your class warfare alright and it might be very messy...Remember that 'social economics' article by Joe Stiglitz I posted a few months back portending towards this OWSt movemnet??....there's a cultural shift going on...the peasants and slaves are rising up for a while...
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Matt...we have a Republic as a form of governmnet, but we-the-people are guarranteed to operate as a Democracy from time to time....freedom of speech, voting, right to petition, RTBA, freedom from opression,,,so on and so forth...you think?
 
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First of all the more pepl pmake the more they will spend or invest.  Spending and investing benefits the economy and creates jobs from servents to CEOs .  As far as a living wage,  would you pay a living wage to the guy that mows your yard?  No you pay him for the job he is doing.   You pay a mechanic for the time you need him, not for the whole week.  That Each according to their needs crap should have died with the Soviet Union.  Over and over we have seen that Communism and Socialism do not work,  Slowily adding more and more socialism to our system and adding more and more government intervention in the reason we are in the siutuation we are in.  Congres making laws to regulate buniness has only added costs, created ways for fraud, and created the monster corperations that goble up small business.  What I want to know is, I know nothing about what you do for a living, do you think I could be your boss?  Nope, but if I get ellected to congress I can write rules and reguilations that in effect make me your boss and change the way you do business.or make your job obsolete or illegal.  And yet we we have hundreds of morons out ing the street demanding that they be in charge of Banks, Trading houses, and large corperations.  There is a difference between the Dream of "if I were in charge" and demanding to be in charge.
If you think these protests are about Democracy you are wrong, it is about control, class warefare, and to prop up the Democrats.
Again I can tell you the Sky id Blue and because some one has explained to you that it should be some other color no matter what I tell you how I prove it you will not believe the evidence that the sky is blue.
 Clearly these people do not beliefe in Democracy.  When ever an issue is placed on the ballot and they loose (oftern) they then cry the people did not understand what they were voting ofr and sue, using the courts to get what clearly a majority did not want.