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   Health Oklahoma Mother Reportedly Refused Cancer Treatment So Child Could Survive
Published October 18, 2011
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    Stacie Crimm, seen above in an undated photograph, died last month after refusing cancer-fighting treatments that might have saved her life and harmed her unborn child. The baby girl, Dottie Mae, is alive and well, now living with Crimm's brother.
Stacie Crimm made the ultimate sacrifice -- and she got her dying wish. As doctors and nurses wearing protective gear looked on last month, the 41-year-old mom got to hold her newborn daughter.
Three days later, Crimm died. But her baby girl, Dottie Mae, is alive, because her mom refused the cancer-fighting treatments that might have saved her life -- and that she feared would risk the life of her unborn child.
Crimm, of Ryan, Okla., "laughed and cried all at once" when she discovered in March that she was pregnant, because she had been told she would never be able to have children, her brother Ray Phillips told NewsOK.com.
   Related Stories Mother's Love Shows How Precious Life Is   The expectant mom sent more than 150 text messages to her brother in the months that followed, many of which detailed her severe headaches and double vision.
"I'm worried about this baby," Crimm wrote.
"I hope I live long enough to have this baby," read another message. "Bubba, if anything happens to me, you take this child," the single mom wrote.
Months later, in July, a CT scan revealed Crimm had head and neck cancer. Phillips told the website his sister "agonized only for a while" before deciding against taking potentially life-saving chemotherapy in hopes that she would deliver a healthy baby.
After collapsing in her home in mid-August, doctors said the invasive tumor has begun wrapping itself around Crimm's brain stem. The baby's heart rate began to plummet and Crimm's heart stopped 90 minutes later. Doctors rushed to resuscitate Crimm and decided it was best to deliver the 2-pound, 1-ounce Dottie May by cesarean section.
Crimm's condition briefly improved, but she often fell unconscious and was unable to sign the child's birth certificate. Since she had not identified the baby's father, Phillips gained guardianship of the girl.
Crimm was once again resuscitated on Sept. 8 and had her first chance to hold Dottie Mae as nurses and doctors in protective gear looked on. Three days later, Crimm died.
Last week, Phillips fulfilled his promise to his sister by taking home a healthy 5-pound girl to live with his wife and the girl's four new siblings.
Dr. Manny Alvarez, senior managing health editor of FoxNews.com, said many patients who get diagnosed with cancer while pregnant face a similar dilemma: to stop the pregnancy and get treatment or continue with the pregnancy and sometimes pay the consequence of more invasive cancer.
"However, for the patients who choose to continue with pregnancies, there is a multi-disciplinary approach to these cases -- many times there are chemo protocols that a pregnancy can tolerate -- as well as surgical resection of cancer tumors," Alvarez said.
Alvarez said obstetricians try to get into a window of time where the baby will do well under such circumstances, typically around 32 weeks.
"Then the baby is about three and a half pounds," he said. "Once delivery is completed, then more aggressive treatment for cancer is implemented. The caveat: pregnancy could exacerbate certain cancers, and that is why it is so important for the whole family to be involved in decision making, especially when cancer is diagnosed so early."
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Now SHE is a Mother. Some kill their own, she gives her own life. May God richly bless her. POWDERMAN.  :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Re: Mother refuses cancer treatment so her unborn child might live.
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2011, 06:51:54 PM »
Excellent story powderman! Real parents would make the ultimate sacrifice for any of their children.
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Re: Mother refuses cancer treatment so her unborn child might live.
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 02:39:22 AM »
She has her Crown in Heaven.  those that would kill the baby, probably not.
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Re: Mother refuses cancer treatment so her unborn child might live.
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 04:50:23 AM »
Unfortunately this happens quite often. At least monthly just in the US. The only reason this is a news story is that it's seen as more normal today to abort the kid. That happens many times per hour, and for a lot less compelling reasons that cancer in the mother.

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Re: Mother refuses cancer treatment so her unborn child might live.
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 04:52:00 AM »
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 04:58:17 AM »
Before everyone gets too sympathetic towards this woman, it might be a good idea to find out something about the father.  I've seen this story done by the talking heads and none of them have even mentioned a father.  How did she get pregnant to begin with?  If some find she is a lesbian or some such, will they still feel the same?  Just seems odd no mention has been made of a man.

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2011, 05:30:19 AM »
It looks like she just did what any real mother would do.  Good for her.
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Re: Mother refuses cancer treatment so her unborn child might live.
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 05:44:52 AM »
Before everyone gets too sympathetic towards this woman, it might be a good idea to find out something about the father.  I've seen this story done by the talking heads and none of them have even mentioned a father.  How did she get pregnant to begin with?  If some find she is a lesbian or some such, will they still feel the same?  Just seems odd no mention has been made of a man.
It doesn't matter.  she chose LIFE for her baby.
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Re: Mother refuses cancer treatment so her unborn child might live.
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 06:03:09 AM »
She has her Crown in Heaven.

Why?

 
I wouldn't expect you to know.  :o
BUGEYE. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Re: Mother refuses cancer treatment so her unborn child might live.
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 06:40:23 AM »
Good post Powder.

I fail to see the relevancy of the father that some have pointed out.  This is a story about a mother giving up her life for her unborn.  If the father is nothing more than an in vitro fertilization - it really has no bearing on the sacrifice this woman made.  If the father is a criminal, it still as no bearing.  It really doesn't matter at all.

I agree with Powder, I think she earned a crown.


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Re: Mother refuses cancer treatment so her unborn child might live.
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2011, 07:05:15 AM »
Maybe a Good Conduct Medal.
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Re: Mother refuses cancer treatment so her unborn child might live.
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2011, 08:12:46 AM »
Good post Powder.

I fail to see the relevancy of the father that some have pointed out.  This is a story about a mother giving up her life for her unborn.  If the father is nothing more than an in vitro fertilization - it really has no bearing on the sacrifice this woman made.  If the father is a criminal, it still as no bearing.  It really doesn't matter at all.

I agree with Powder, I think she earned a crown.


The relevancy of the father is that there is no mention of one.  The only reason this is a story of a mother giving up her life for her unborn child is likely there is more to the story and all we are getting is the fluffy spin of the news people.  Now I don't know a thing about this person or what type of life she lived, but the point is, we are not being told the whole story.  Yet many here would elevate her to sainthood for a single act.  I would tend to go along with the Good Conduct Medal idea since it is for a single act and not a lifetime performance.

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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2011, 08:16:02 AM »
the "rest of the story" is not relevant to her sacrifice.
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2011, 08:36:07 AM »
the "rest of the story" is not relevant to her sacrifice.


I disagree.  We aren't judged by a single act of good. 

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 10:00:18 AM »
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The relevancy of the father is that there is no mention of one

For the GI who got killed charging up Hamburger Hill, the fact that when his story was told his wife wasn't mentioned does not denigrate his acts of heroism. 
The story is about the GI and his sacrifice - not his wife.

This story is about the mother and her sacrifice - not the father of the child.

The father does not add to nor detract from the fact that she willingly chose to forgo treatment that would have possibly saved her life but also very probably killed her unborn.
He is utterly irrelevant.

I'm sorry, but this woman is a helluva mom in my book.  It's easy to sit back and criticize and say "Well what about this?", and "She did what any normal mother would do."   That's utter BS gents.  She did not do what any normal person would do.  Most normal people would have probably done whatever they had to to preserve their own life.  This here is a story about a person who put others lives ahead of their own.  It's a rare quality that obviously doesn't exist in everyone, and you don't know if you got it until you're faced with a situation like this, where you have to choose between yourself and your loved ones.  Her decision was an act of love and I  hope her child hears the story some day and appreciates it.
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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2011, 10:37:20 AM »
the "rest of the story" is not relevant to her sacrifice.


I disagree.  We aren't judged by a single act of good.

We aren't judged by a billion acts of good or bad.
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Re: Mother refuses cancer treatment so her unborn child might live.
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2011, 12:47:49 PM »
the "rest of the story" is not relevant to her sacrifice.


I disagree.  We aren't judged by a single act of good.

No we are not, but what she did certainly tells a story about her character.
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2011, 01:33:11 AM »
We do not have the full story, and we are not going to get the full story.  It's does not matter anyway.  She could have been married to an abusive husband, who did not deserve to be near children.  She may have been raped, we don't know.

All that is important here is that this mother decided her baby was more important than her life.  Both the women in my life (My first wife, and my present wife) would have made the same sacrifice.  It's instinctive, they will do what ever it takes to protect their young.
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