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Beef prices way up?
« on: October 25, 2011, 05:00:14 AM »
We don't buy much beef, but when I went to buy some the other day, the prices were really high, like over $5 per pound for even the "cheap" cuts. Has it been going up a lot lately, or is this just some kind of normal seasonal increase?
 
We also don't buy much ice cream, but I was going to buy a package of Breyers ice cream and they wanted about $7.50.
 
I didn't buy either the beef or the ice cream.
 
There are still bargains out there, but there are some pretty startling grocery prices too.

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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2011, 12:07:50 PM »
The prices are going nuts. With the drought in the south and southwest,horrible winters in the north,and land prices under pressure from realestate developers, the beef cattle numbers are declining. Corn and other feed prices are sky rocketing, and the market demand for beef and feed is extremely high.
Best bet is to buy quarters or half beef, rather than 1 chunk at a time, or buy bulk packages of your most favored cuts from places like Sam's Club or a local butcher shop. Or buy the cheaper roasts, and cut them to thinner slices if you want steak or grind them yourself for ground beef.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2011, 12:56:15 PM »
the best deals right now is pork.  it's cheaper than the other white meat.
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Re: Beef prices way up?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2011, 01:57:44 PM »
Since they've run all the undocumented workers off, all food prices are going up.  There's nobody left that will do hard work.  Turning corn into gasoline at the taxpayer's expense isn't helping either.  Corn prices have at least trippled.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2011, 03:26:49 PM »
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Since they've run all the undocumented workers off, all food prices are going up.

 
 
Is an "undocumented worker" the same as an "illegal alien"?  Sort of like calling a burglar an "undocumented tenant"?   ::)
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2011, 03:40:41 PM »
as far as beef prices it may not get any better.so many fertile cows have been killed because of weather in OK and TX, due to the drouth that they are sayin a cow will be worth 500$ more than she is rite now in the spring.and they are high now.i raise cows and can barely afford to eat one of my own now.thank god deer season about to start. i like deer better anyway!

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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2011, 03:43:06 PM »
Govt, subsidized ethanol is an ignorant thing to do, but it's not the reason for the higher corn prices. All the ethanol grain is contracted before it's even planted, so it's not a drain on the food supply, plus every bit of the pulp from the process comes back out as livestock feed.
Higher corn prices has more to do with greater world demand, and to much good corn ground being covered with asphalt and houses... Supply and demand.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2011, 04:01:53 PM »
Ethanol is almost completely supported by the taxpayers.  Many fields have been converted to corn that could have grown other food.  It a stupid idea.
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Re: Beef prices way up?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2011, 04:08:36 PM »
When it costs a family half their wages to just buy gas to go to and from their jobs, then figure other needed expenses, is it any wonder a person can't even aford to go to work? Then look around at all the greedy "haves" taking advantage of the "have nots", bleeding folks dry. The reasons this Country is falling apart is simply because those that have want more including what little the have nots possess. They want it all and could care less how they get it!

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2011, 04:09:11 PM »
Govt, subsidized ethanol is an ignorant thing to do, but it's not the reason for the higher corn prices. All the ethanol grain is contracted before it's even planted, so it's not a drain on the food supply, plus every bit of the pulp from the process comes back out as livestock feed.
Higher corn prices has more to do with greater world demand, and to much good corn ground being covered with asphalt and houses... Supply and demand.
true. i thin k ethanol is a small part of it but certain other countries raising their standard of living has a lot to do with it also.we are seeing weird trends in the cattle biz.usually when grain is high then cattle are cheap, when grain is low cattle are high. this has been the norm for my lifetime.it is not so currently.in my area right now im seeing ground that has not been put into crops in my lifetime now being prepared for wheat or corn or soy.it has been so increasinly for the last 5 yrs.that right there takes a lot of cow pasture off the market and drives beef prices up for sure.and im talking rocky ground that 10 yrs ago the old timers would of laughed at yu if you said you were taking your cows off and putting in a corn crop.in fact 20 yrs ago in my area you would of drove out a tank of gas looking for a corn field. its a ever changeing world!

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2011, 04:18:46 PM »
The governments CRP program is a bigger waste of taxpayer money and contributor to the excessively high grain prices than the ethanol scam is. They just placed another 1/4 million acres on the welfare program here in se Wy.
 Hillbill I've never seen anything like this, it was just back in 95 or 6 we nosaled a bunch of steer calves at 50$, and the reason for the poor prices given was 6$ corn. Yesterday  we sold 560 wt steer calves for a bit over 1.50 and corn is 7$ a bushell.... go figure.
 Sad thing is in 72 we turned a dozen calves into the nicest new pickkup detroit could and did deliver to the ranch, 75 of them that sold yesterday would barely get one off the lot down town.....
 So while our prices are good we're still a heck of a long ways from parity.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2011, 04:25:48 PM »
When it costs a family half their wages to just buy gas to go to and from their jobs, then figure other needed expenses, is it any wonder a person can't even aford to go to work? Then look around at all the greedy "haves" taking advantage of the "have nots", bleeding folks dry. The reasons this Country is falling apart is simply because those that have want more including what little the have nots possess. They want it all and could care less how they get it!
i tend not to agree.i am not a "have" for sure, but the only entity bleeding me dry is the goverment.since i became a adult, no one has taken advantage of me.i wont let them.as far as gas prices go i believe the profit margin of the oil companys is around 9%.i dont like the price of gas no more than anybody else but have cut my usage to the bone.if everybody would do that then they would get the message.and i dont mean buy a elec car or a hybrid. just stay home!

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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2011, 05:15:11 PM »
People gotta work but it's pretty hard to do when everything they make either goes to the government or into their gas tank. Sad to say but many go on Welfare not because they don't want to work, but because they simply can't afford to work. As to being bled dry, just look around you. Prices on many things are raising often for no other reason than pure greed. Meanwhile the average person loses his job while the higher ups just keep getting richer.

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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2011, 05:19:00 PM »
Your buying it the wrong way.....buy the cow....have it slaughtered and  butchered, put it in the freezer.

Less than $3.00 a pound that way.
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2011, 05:27:18 PM »
Better yet, do like my son and I. We hunt for most our meat. Not only cheaper but way more healthy and better tasting than store bought. :)  Plus you get lots of exercise and get to enjoy the outdoors in ways the non hunters seldom ever get to.

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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2011, 05:30:48 PM »
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Better yet, do like my son and I. We hunt for most our meat. Not only cheaper but way more healthy and better tasting than store bought

 
 
I'd like to try that, but I don't think my neighbor would like it if I shot one of his Angus steers.   ;)
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2011, 05:37:42 PM »
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Better yet, do like my son and I. We hunt for most our meat. Not only cheaper but way more healthy and better tasting than store bought

 
 
I'd like to try that, but I don't think my neighbor would like it if I shot one of his Angus steers.   ;)
I'd say you are right but nothing wrong with venison, wild turkey, wild pork, squirrels, rabbits, quail, ect.  nor fresh caught fish. :)

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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2011, 05:42:48 PM »
You're right, Spirithawk, nothing wrong with any of those.  But, I dang sure like beef.   :)
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2011, 05:47:18 PM »
The governments CRP program is a bigger waste of taxpayer money and contributor to the excessively high grain prices than the ethanol scam is. They just placed another 1/4 million acres on the welfare program here in se Wy.
 Hillbill I've never seen anything like this, it was just back in 95 or 6 we nosaled a bunch of steer calves at 50$, and the reason for the poor prices given was 6$ corn. Yesterday  we sold 560 wt steer calves for a bit over 1.50 and corn is 7$ a bushell.... go figure.
 Sad thing is in 72 we turned a dozen calves into the nicest new pickkup detroit could and did deliver to the ranch, 75 of them that sold yesterday would barely get one off the lot down town.....
 So while our prices are good we're still a heck of a long ways from parity.
your right, nobody in the cow biz has ever seen these times. the price of fertilizer? diesel? bale string.oil and parts for your baler, tractors? dont even mention a new pikup roun here, we are drivin junk and working on it daily. but if yu can keep yur cows and your land, just like always you will profit when things get better.

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2011, 06:44:05 PM »
No new pickups around here either. Last new one we bought was in 94, that was 260K miles ago.Wife is still driving her 1988 olds 360k miles, and the speedometer on my 86 pickup has flipped twice now...
Bought a used 02 this year, but it has 100k on it.
Cows are paid for, but if this drought has broken and it rains again this spring I'm going to try and get the herd back up to where it should be, and that'll involve the bank because we burnt thru the savings and dipped into the wifes 401k trying to feed our way out of the last few years of the 12 year dry spell.....
Twine prices crack me up, costs almost as much a box as it used to bale half the season, and don't even get me started on the fuel prices.... We're paying more per gallon federal fuel tax than a gallon of fuel used to cost.
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2011, 07:05:25 PM »
You're right, Spirithawk, nothing wrong with any of those.  But, I dang sure like beef.   :)

Me too now and then. That wild game in the freezer sure helps being able to afford a good beef steak or roast though. ;)

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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2011, 09:16:04 PM »
they can take there beef and shove it i quit eating it. after i found out what the feed cattle and process it. my son gives me elk i eat that haven't missed beef at all. ;D

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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2011, 03:30:21 AM »
    I grow my own pasture fed beef . Never could work out why you would want to feed grain to a grass eater :-\ .Probably  something to do with adding more layers of  parasite "middle men " between the producer and the consumer.  Check out the difference in price per pound paid to the farmer for any produce compared to the Super market price and its easy to see who gets the most $ but takes the least risk.  Cut out these Middle Men if you can . Buy a steer "on the hoof" for cash from a Rancher (tax free $ for him) ;) . Butcher it yourself if you can or engage a Professional "Home Butcher " to do it for you .   Yes ,I know that in some states this may be illegal. You can thank the same robbing S.O.B Middle Men for those Laws which protect their monopolies and allow people to be ripped off >:( .  If I sound a bit cynical it is just the result of witnessing the extreme abuses of the free enterprise system . End of Rant . Ahhhh, that feels better ;D .
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2011, 03:42:57 AM »
Gaz-52 tax free ? I raise a few for sale . When I sell its profit and taxed .
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2011, 04:32:13 AM »
Gaz, not sure what world you're living in, but if you sell a beef to anybody, you count that into your income and it's taxed..... You know they can track what you sell thru the beef checkoff and brand inspection, and once they publish the animal identification thing into the federal register, you're herd numbers will be entered into the bowels of the federal beurocracy.
 Most folks don't like grass fed beef, as it's a wee bit tougher, lacks the soft fat cover and marbling that makes the meat tender and juicy.
 
Not sure what leftist bunny hugger anti rancher bomb thrower ratdog got his information from, but it's laughable.
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2011, 08:43:55 AM »
Don't forget sat pictures for counting  ;)
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2011, 08:54:36 AM »
 :) >:( Yep, I was in the state engineers office recording a new stock well we had drilled, and they wanted gps coordinates. I didn't have them but the guy said well we can get them this way, he  pulled that pasture up on Sat and we roughly located the area of the well then he zoomed in and by god don't you know about 20 of my good neighbor MR&MrS. Perfect Shxtdonstink's cows were right there lounging around that new well....  :-* Don't you know I enjoyed every word of the phone call to the Perfect ranch that followed next. ;D
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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2011, 09:05:30 AM »
    I grow my own pasture fed beef . Never could work out why you would want to feed grain to a grass eater :-\ .
 
 
Corn is a grass , a grain producing grass not a veggie like many think. I give some to mine as it helps get them to follow me ( as long as I have the grain bucket  ;) ). Also it stimulates the enzimes in the cow that breaks down grain. Adds weight and flavor .
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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2011, 09:06:15 AM »
I grew up during the Beef Boom & Bust of the early 1980's, because of it I had to find a diffrent line of employment (stable), the Beef prices fell and never recoverd, NAFTA really put the kabosh on competitive beef prices, the only way was go big, Allot of small operaters went out of business that backgrounded ther stock, In old days the local sale barns (2 in my county) had schedueld sales 3 times a week(Tu/Thur/Sat), now only 2days a week and very limited Hogs once a month due to massive Hog confinement facilitys, a shadow of what it used to be, the beef buyers trying to put together uniform loads for the packers, small farmers and ranchers bring in 20-40 head of beef calves, backgrounded brought a better price.
I remember a life of considerable toil, not allot of spare cash kicking round (land rich cash poor) I recall my folks saying ther most profitable year they were still elegable for foodstamps
http://www.cowpokes.com/about_ace.html    ACE Ried was in the trenches and knew the score his cartoon Art spoke to many cattlemen because they could relate, funny how his humor is timeless, the same issues he dealt with 50 years ago still hound cattlemen today.
 
I read there are 200 farms that produce 90% the food this nation produces.
Lets see thers 6 in my folks township..... and its none of them.
Even the big farm 10 miles south that employs 9 hands and they dont count either.
 
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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2011, 11:46:31 AM »
If you dont mind cheap food and produce & durable goods imported into our country, By all means buy the cheap stuff that puts Amarican own'd and based Business in a bind, Die off or Leave or at very least exploited by investment groups, they can only survive if they leave the USA  (Polaris Parts mfg in Mexico) (aircraft parts stamped Cessna mfg in Mexico??) where there no Unions (mexico) & poor people they can exploit.
(supermarkit chain stors) have been buying Canadian and Mexican Beef the last 10 years, till the exchange rate of the canadian dollar rose and the US $ fell so advantage to that anymore, Canadians now come to USA to shop for cheap American Goods
The beef processed at huge facilities (IBP Iowa Beef Processors) mainly exploit/employ the under privelaged (almost slave like wages) (think itenerant mexican & very poor) check out the complaints State of Iowa fair wage beareu fields, OSHA violations, EPA complaints...... the profits go to investment groups that only care about the bottom line.
Dakota City Iowa location of IBP, The locals were shocked by the influx of the very poor, ther health conditions, the strain on the living assistance they workers (food stamps and energy assistance) apply for and get, local crime climbed outta sight
When I was young any bad meat that hit the store shelves was a localized incident not nation wide, the bread you ate was baked no further than 100 miles away.
 
Its all going big business we farm from ditch to ditch, grub pastures in the dirt, hogs confined in one place that produces enuf sewage to rival small cities and no oversight on environmental inpact, anybody ever have there well water tested? surface water contaminated by high in Nitrates added by also from all the dry furtilizer dumped on sub-par soil to increase yields, the Ogalla Aquafer has dropped steadily since the 1970's (called overdraft look it up) due to substantial irrigation, in 1990 american agriculture had dispenced a stunning amount of pesticide/herbicides, 11 pounds for every man woman and child in the USA there used to be diversity and compitition because there was so much to choose from, now your limited, Big three going bankrupt and feds bailing them out? they never bailed out Bantum,Kiaser,Studabaker,Nash,Willys, Banks never were coddled before, Now stupid and greedy is OK they get bail'd out and allot abused the system at taxpayers expence, Its Ok to do stuff that isnt ethical we call it big business and progress and competitive business.
 
The govt was run by statesmen, now its run by professional speculating politicians (politicans for profit), animal husbandry and herdsmanship that had roots in conservation and sustainability is now agribusiness that pays only lip service to that while rapeing the environment, 50 years ago a hog farmer had mabe 40 markit hogs the local environmental inpact was allot less than todays massive consolidated hog confinment facilities a single hog in one day  has generated the waste of 4 humans and all this is handled by water which is pumped out the ground and flushed into huge containment pits, the raw sewage is tanked out and spread on fields nearby where the nitrogen soon leaches into the soil and through pricipation and irrigation collects in the ground water table (Local wells).

You want your money to go to a good cause?? go look up a struggling local rancher and buy a beef off him and have it processed at the local meat locker(employs local residents), stick that meat in the freezer, the only middle man was the meat locker that killd and processed &packaged that meat, all that cash stays in the community stimulating your local economy.
You shop at the CARR's/ Safeway ther's no telling just how far that meat traveled to make its way into your local store, Just may shock you, That Milk just may be from 200 miles away.
 
I dont like the Monilith idea of big business or big government has become (all your eggs in one basket)
diversity and sepration need to happen, if anything bad happens you want seperation so the whole mess dont go down in one fell swoop, this goes for anything from chickens in coops to herds of cattle or the bank you have a mortgage with.