Author Topic: gay men raising a 5 yr old girl. (Read 5140 times)

XD40SC · « **Reply #90 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:07:55 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on October 27, 2011, 04:50:19 AM

Why can't people just mind their own business?

EXACTLY

Swampman · « **Reply #91 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:23:22 AM »

"Paul was inspired to write to the Thessalonians, “Study to be quiet, and to do your own business;” and he and Peter very sternly condemned those who were “busybodies in other men’s matters.” ~Charles Spurgeon~

powderman · « **Reply #92 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:48:45 AM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on October 27, 2011, 02:21:54 AM

I've mentioned my neighbors many times. I hate their sin and they hate my guns.
but we get along very well. these two don't make spectacles of themselves like the gay pride perverts. but I still would Not condone adoption by them. children have souls ya'know.

BUGEYE. I agree. The welfare of the children should be everybodys business. Their lives are fragile and their souls are up for grabs. Seems thats there are several self proclaimed Christians here who accept homosexuality as normal and OK, seems like theres been a whole lot of scripture left out of THEIR Bible, or they choose to ignore Gods word, could be they think God is just old fashioned. God hasn't changed, man has. Maybe they had a spcl printing made up that conveniently left out what God had to say about these effeminate, or butch types. I worked with several of that persuasion, good workers and we tolerated each other, one even said she went to church. A female pastor in Lou claimed to have MARRIED over 500 gay couples 3 yrs ago. I wonder how many souls that false preacher has led to hell?? I noticed that none of the gay supporters here has said YES, I'd let them raise my children or grandchildren. POWDERMAN.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #93 on:** October 27, 2011, 05:56:59 AM »

Quote from: powderman on October 27, 2011, 05:48:45 AM

Quote from: BUGEYE on October 27, 2011, 02:21:54 AM
I've mentioned my neighbors many times. I hate their sin and they hate my guns.
but we get along very well. these two don't make spectacles of themselves like the gay pride perverts. but I still would Not condone adoption by them. children have souls ya'know.

BUGEYE. I agree. The welfare of the children should be everybodys business. Their lives are fragile and their souls are up for grabs. Seems thats there are several self proclaimed Christians here who accept homosexuality as normal and OK, seems like theres been a whole lot of scripture left out of THEIR Bible, or they choose to ignore Gods word, could be they think God is just old fashioned. God hasn't changed, man has. Maybe they had a spcl printing made up that conveniently left out what God had to say about these effeminate, or butch types. I worked with several of that persuasion, good workers and we tolerated each other, one even said she went to church. A female pastor in Lou claimed to have MARRIED over 500 gay couples 3 yrs ago. I wonder how many souls that false preacher has led to hell?? I noticed that none of the gay supporters here has said YES, I'd let them raise my children or grandchildren. POWDERMAN.

apparently liberals don't take the Bible seriously. do they have souls ?

Casull · « **Reply #94 on:** October 27, 2011, 06:01:39 AM »

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Why can't people just mind their own business?

By that line of reasoning (actually lack thereof), we should just let anybody adopt as many children as they want. Doesn't matter if they are pedophiles, satan worshipers, drug dealers, etc. We should just mind our own business and ask them how many kids they want.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #95 on:** October 27, 2011, 06:08:06 AM »

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is, FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING.
Edmund Burke

Swampman · « **Reply #96 on:** October 27, 2011, 06:49:26 AM »

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Romans 2: 1

sidewinder319 · « **Reply #97 on:** October 27, 2011, 07:22:16 AM »

Misquoting the Bible does not get my attention. If you want to show your support for Homosexuals who can not reproduce naturally and must feed on natural life to survive. Start by willing your own children and grand children to these Homosexuals. Do not force these wards of the government who are unable to know or make a decision about their lives into an alternate life style. Would you force these same children to become farm labor? No you would protest this as being wrong. Twist this as you please, show us one place in the Bible that says turn your children over to the homosexuals. You should know the OT said no to this practise. Its written on a Pillar of Salt.

powderman · « **Reply #98 on:** October 27, 2011, 07:47:53 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on October 27, 2011, 06:49:26 AM

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Romans 2: 1

Well you simply bypassed the 1st ch of Romans, you just need to back up a bit. maybe your Bible doesn't have ch 1. Read ch 1 and tell us what God said about this perversion. POWDERMAN.

DDZ · « **Reply #99 on:** October 27, 2011, 11:22:08 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on October 27, 2011, 06:49:26 AM

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Romans 2: 1

What does homo's raising innocent children have to do with judging? I kind of see it as an issue of right and wrong.
Homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes, and you say we should just shut up about it, and mind our own business. If you saw a murder about to take place, which is also a sin in God's eyes. Would you just mind your own business or would you do something to stop it? Would you see murder as judging, or an issue of right and wrong?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #100 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:41:43 AM »

When you make the observation that men raising young girls is not a good mix it is not judging . It is an observation that has been made about a situation . If I remember correctly the Old Testament states men should not care for/teach young children. The same Bible that states men should noy lay down with other men or critters tells us this. The fact that some wish to turn their head to the fact that homosexuality is sin does not change the fact it is considered sin by those who believe in the Bible. I have raised a daughter and can assure all I was very happy to have her mother shareing the duty of parenthood when she reached the age where she started becoming a young lady with all the physical changes that take place.
In a situation such as this the childs wealfare should be the only consideratio not the idea of being PC so as to not offend some speical intrest group.

Swampman · « **Reply #101 on:** October 28, 2011, 12:56:29 AM »

While there is little doubt that homosexuality is a sin, so is everything else we do in God's eyes. So sinners shouldn't raise children?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #102 on:** October 28, 2011, 01:10:30 AM »

Children should be placed in as good an environment as possible . The normal model is a father and a mother. If at all aval. this should be the goal. By your post you note the impossibility of being raised by anyone but a sinner nice try.
It is not an exercise in support of the homosexual but an effort to give a child the best possible chance at a normal and fulfilling life.
Who wants to see a lone child sitting at a table at school when its either mothers visit day or fathers visit day as the case may be ? Bad enough when one has a parent that has passed on.
Lets get down to the nitty gritty. A child raised by homosexuals will be raised different than any other child he or she will have to compete with in life . They will be raised to a different set of standards . I can't imagine a girl being denied the love and companship of a mother on purpose just to glorify a deviate lifestyle. Right or wrong in your mind this is true of America today.

Swampman · « **Reply #103 on:** October 28, 2011, 01:47:04 AM »

An adopted child has no parents and a 5 year old is less likely to be adopted. Is a girl raised by men worse off than a girl with no parents and noone to love her?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #104 on:** October 28, 2011, 01:57:43 AM »

A girl raised by women is better IMHO . Even better if heterosexual. If gay men really loved her they would want her to have the best chance in life not use her to make a statement.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #105 on:** October 28, 2011, 02:16:52 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on October 28, 2011, 01:57:43 AM

A girl raised by women is better IMHO . Even better if heterosexual. If gay men really loved her they would want her to have the best chance in life not use her to make a statement.

bingo. they are pushing an agenda.

Old Fart · « **Reply #106 on:** October 28, 2011, 02:25:43 AM »

Just a reminder there is a forum for Religous discussions.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?board=197.0
or
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?board=173.0

As long as we stay civil we'll let run it's course here though.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #107 on:** October 28, 2011, 02:33:55 AM »

You can leave religion out of it if need be . A child raised by a male / female couple would fit the model of a normal couple in todays America. If that is not possible a woman in most cases would be better suited to raise a girl and educate her to the physical conditions a woman will need to understand about her own body and how to care for herself throught out her life. Educatre me do gay men experince yeast infections and periods with accompaning cramps and headaches ? Nothing like mom/other woman to comfort a youngh girl at such times.

powderman · « **Reply #108 on:** October 28, 2011, 02:53:57 AM »

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Lets get down to the nitty gritty. A child raised by homosexuals will be raised different than any other child he or she will have to compete with in life . They will be raised to a different set of standards . I can't imagine a girl being denied the love and companship of a mother on purpose just to glorify a deviate lifestyle. Right or wrong in your mind this is true of America today.

GOOD post and true. I'll try not to respond anymore on this as it looks like a mod is looking for an excuse to pull the plug on it. Good while it lasted. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #109 on:** October 28, 2011, 03:23:41 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on October 28, 2011, 01:47:04 AM

An adopted child has no parents and a 5 year old is less likely to be adopted. Is a girl raised by men worse off than a girl with no parents and noone to love her?

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Swampy; There you go, using an old LIBERAL trick..taking the best case scenario to justify placing a child in a dysfunctional, abnormal household..and then comparing it to the worst case scenario if she isn't placed in such a trying situation..
In the article Powderman cited...even they admitted, the child is going to face a trying times just trying to cope with living in a perverse household...I quote below from that article:
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" Yet he and his husband, Jeff Littlefield, who became parents through a California-based surrogacy program, remain wary as they contemplate Carrigan growing older and confronting challenges beyond their supportive community in Pawley's Island, S.C.
"We're cautious about where we go, because we don't want our daughter to see any negativity," said Starling, 39. "We have some longer-term apprehensions that she'll face issues as she gets older, and we're trying to prepare her for that ... I feel she's the type of person who will stand up for her family."
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Nobody worth the powder to blow them where they belong , should ever knowingly, place a child in such a situation...
...Not even to make a "politically correct" statement !!

Spirithawk · « **Reply #110 on:** October 28, 2011, 04:16:40 AM »

Seems pretty simple to me. Their "want" in raising the little girl is obviously more important to them than any issues the girl will have to face. If they were truly sincere in her welfare they'd help find her a normal home but it seems more about making a point than anything else. Hey look at us, we're not normal and there's nothing you can do about it! Take out all the hype and that's all you're left with. Saddly she'll pay the price for their notoriety.

XD40SC · « **Reply #111 on:** October 28, 2011, 04:22:04 AM »

It would be great if we could hear from children ,who where were raised in such environments, to hear what they think.

ironglow · « **Reply #112 on:** October 28, 2011, 04:22:25 AM »

Spirithawk;
Amen...agreed !

briarpatch · « **Reply #113 on:** October 28, 2011, 05:22:42 AM »

xd40sc, you ever hear starving north Koreans speak about their existence there.
training goes a long way in the answers to questions. Just ask the abused young men by the catholic clergy.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #114 on:** October 28, 2011, 05:24:21 AM »

or YMCA .

BUGEYE · « **Reply #115 on:** October 28, 2011, 05:29:26 AM »

Quote from: XD40SC on October 28, 2011, 04:22:04 AM

It would be great if we could hear from children ,who where were raised in such environments, to hear what they think.

gays are not above using indoctrination/brainwashing to mold young impressionable minds.
their agenda ya know.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #116 on:** October 28, 2011, 05:33:58 AM »

It would be interesting to see how many who have sex change operations were raised in a homosexulal enviorment .

XD40SC · « **Reply #117 on:** October 28, 2011, 05:05:56 PM »

Opponents of Gay Adoption

Those opposed to gay adoption argue that children are best raised in a traditional family home with both a mother and a father. They cite studies that show the better adjustment of children raised in traditional homes over those raised in single-parent or other nontraditional homes (though not specifically against same-sex homes). Some opponents also claim that same-sex homes will encourage homosexuality in children. A few even express fears that homosexual parents are more likely to sexually abuse their children.

Supporters of Gay Adoption

Those in favor of gay adoption point out that there is no definable difference in the parenting skills of a gay or lesbian parent and a heterosexual parent, nor in the quality of love and attention a gay parent can provide. They also point out that a loving home of any kind is preferable to a child languishing in the adoption system (hundreds of thousands of children remain unadopted each year). Finally, supporters point out that fears of increased homosexuality or even sexual abuse are just that, fears, unsupported by any facts.

ironglow · « **Reply #118 on:** October 28, 2011, 11:46:06 PM »

XD40;
I quote your post;

" They also point out that a loving home of any kind is preferable to a child languishing in the adoption system (hundreds of thousands of children remain unadopted each year)".
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Do you see what I mean here ? There they go again, comparing "best case/worst case"... Either the child lives in a happy relationship in a house of perversion..or they languish in an orphanage somewhere (seen an orphanage lately ?).
The fact is..children languish in the adoption system because it is far to EXHAUSTING and EXPENSIVE to adopt a child in our present system. Many more would be adopted by good... and normal parents, were the cost more in line with what the REAL costs are.
We are already paying the 'social workers' for any time they are putting into investigating potential parents...so where does the big cost come in ? I think we all may know some couple who are very fine people, but cannot afford the costly multiple thousands of dollars it costs to adopt.
These are many thousands of dollars which could go towards the child's well being. Who rakes off the big $$$ and why should it be this way? Who is profiting by these children "languishing in the adoption system"?
There is a rat in the haystack somewhere ! Could it be that a 'political statement' for homosexual adoption is being made at the cost of these kids having a home ?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #119 on:** October 29, 2011, 12:16:39 AM »

Homosexuals are mentally ill perverts no different than pedophiles, necrophiles and beastophiles, none should be allowed to be near children unsupervised.