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Makin Meat
« on: October 26, 2011, 03:44:29 AM »
 
Hunting with a traditionally styled muzzleloader is a challenging proposition.” That statement rings so true to me. I've taken into the field so many types of firearms, over the years, to harvest various game species, both big game and small game; but it amazes me how the taking of a game animal with blackpowder has put “the hunt” back into hunting. Obviously this is an opinionated statement, and I am of the opinion that it is very true.
 
While attending several local shoots this last year, I’ve become more and more aware that many of my fellow shooters have become tied to shooting boxes at benches while at the range. And while talking with fellow shooters I’ve come to realize that many of our current fraternity have never Made Meat while using their old fashioned blackpowder firearms.
 
1. Who here has "made meat" with their traditionally styled blackpowder firearm?
 
2. What firearm did you use and what game have you taken?
 
3. When was the last time that you Made Meat with your traditionally styled Smoke Pole?

(this last question is probably the most telling of the questions in this thread)
 
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 04:03:47 AM »
T C Renegade 50 cal. deer and turkey , 10 years ago .
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2011, 06:23:22 AM »
I saw a guy make meat with his Dodge Dakota this morning ;)
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2011, 06:27:35 AM »
Traditions "deerhunter" .50 caplock, took a buck with a RB,been seveeral yrs. back though :-\
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2011, 08:23:29 AM »
 
1. Who here has "made meat" with their traditionally styled blackpowder firearm?
 
2. What firearm did you use and what game have you taken?
 
3. When was the last time that you Made Meat with your traditionally styled Smoke Pole?

(this last question is probably the most telling of the questions in this thread)
 

Makin' meat is the main reason I have Traditional style BP weapons. (Traditionally styled just cause that's what I prefer)
 
The game and weapons used:
Deer (many) with either my .54 Traditions Hawken, or my Pedersoli Kodiak (.54x.54).
Squirrel (many more) with my .32 cal Pedersoli Penn. flintlock
Rabbit (half a dozen) with the .32 flinter
Coyotes (not for meat) (4) with the .54 Hawken
 
The last hunt was two years ago, only took a few squirrels, the year before was a two doe (freezer meat) year.
 
 
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2011, 01:41:56 PM »
Coyotes with a muzzleloader?...amazing.  :o
 
I've taken a lot of animals with a smoke pole, but I've never done any varmit hunting. My hat's off too you.  8)
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2011, 05:21:32 PM »
Well, since 1977 I've hunted with a flintlock, seldom has a year gone by that I haven't killed at least one deer...My first was a doe at about 45 yards...The rifle was a custom made flintlock in .45 caliber...
 
Two years later I killed my first wild turkey with that same gun...
 
Until 1990, that was the only flintlock I owned and used it every year...I finished my .54 caliber flintlock in 1990 and it became my deer rifle while I rebarreled my .45 to a .40...
 
I've killed a truck load of squirrels with the .40 and a boat load of deer with the .54...
 
So I've used a .40, .45 and a .54 to take squirrels, turkeys and deer...
 
As far as the last time, that was last fall...That may be my last time as well...See, I had cataract surgery in July, surgery went great, can see 20/20 but I can't see through the sights anymore...
 
I'll try to make some changes in the sights when time allows but right now it's just not coming together...I guess over 30 years will have to be enough...

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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2011, 07:10:04 PM »
Coyotes with a muzzleloader?...amazing.  :o
 
I've taken a lot of animals with a smoke pole, but I've never done any varmit hunting. My hat's off too you.  8)

The Coyotes were all taken while deer hunting.  Amazing what comes in to have a look at a fawn bleet. 
 
One of those 'yotes is partly why I bought a double rifle:  I was sitting with my back against a tree watching a game trail that passed by me just the other side of some undergrowth.  A coyote passed by me at 10 feet and went about 30 feet past me and laid down watching a second trail that I had decided was not worth watching for deer.  I fired my .54 Hawken, when the smoke cleared I could not see the coyote.  What I shot (at) was still there, unmoved, and unaltered in any way, at least from where I was sitting that's what it looked like.  I then made a mistake.  I did not reload, but walked over to this thing that looked like a log.  when I parted the underbrush I saw the coyotes head and could hear it cough and watched it snap twice before I could back away and reload.  As it turns out I had hit the 'yote just left of the brain stem and skull junction, and the ball exited above the right eye. 
 
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2011, 03:17:12 AM »
I have been taking whitetails for the past 25 years with a muzzleloader. First couple of years I used a Investarms Hawken .45 and round balls, then I got a Lyman Deerstalker in .50 and continued to fill tags every year. Now I use a Lyman Trade rifle in .54 and still a round ball. The whitetail count must be up around 30 or so and coyote total at 3 so far. I will be out this weekend for sure and have a weeks holidays to to tramp the woods.
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2011, 08:30:31 AM »
Coyotes with a muzzleloader?...amazing.  :o

All my last years predator and varmint hunting was with the 32, 36 and occasionally 45 caliber traditional rifles and pistols I owned, wearing my rendezvous mountainman attire and using my homemade mouth calls.  I got far more enjoyment out of hunting P&V those years by getting back to the basics than I had in a lifetime of hunting them with modern firearms.    Try it, you'll like it.    Every animal harvested will be a trophy as you've made the playing field closer to even, and pitted your skills against theirs.   ;D
 
 
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2011, 02:11:09 AM »
Lyman GPH .50 with a Lee 320 gr REAL bullet & Pyrodex.  Young buck at the vast distance of ~ 5 feet.  I was waiting on his granddaddy, but I finally decided to shoot the young guy before he stepped on me.  No kidding.
 

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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 03:52:43 AM »
 Makin Meat
 
My experience with blackpowder started back in the mid to late 70’s with a CVA Mountain Rifle in .50 calibre. I bought the rifle from a pawnshop when I was ~14 years old. The gun had a very plain maple stock and looked to be a kit gun, that the builder didn’t quite know what they were doing when they did the initial assembly. I reworked the gun and used this fine weapon for years to punch paper, and hunt small game. I took countless rabbits and prairie dogs with that old rifle. This old rifle even proved quite effective in taking many squirrels in the autum woods.
 
During this time my dad became interested in blackpowder as well. One evening, he brought home a 12 gauge muzzleloader that was made sometime in the mid 1800’s in Belgium. To this day, that gun is one of the most beautiful firearms that I have ever held and had the pleasure of taking afield. It possesses such fine graceful lines, and patterned very nicely. I would take this shotgun and my sister out into the fields behind our country home and have her go through the heavy brush and flush pheasants and rabbits for me. She’d tramp around in the thickets and tall weeds, and when the pheasants took wing she’d hit the ground and I’d start blasting. She was a great bird dog…best I ever had. That old shotgun proved to be very versatile, I took several ducks and dove season was a true challenge…I cannot tell you how hard it was to hit those little morning doves when they juked and whirled as my shot patterns whizzed by them. But those old hunts were the best.
 
By the time I was 16, I convinced my dad that we needed to start hunting big game with muzzleloaders during the blackpowder season, instead of during the regular rifle season. Since I was 12 our family hunts had been during the 3rd combined season, and I hunted with a Ruger Model 77 in .270 calibre. This switch to the blackpowder season dramatically changed the family hunts from the cold frozen season of late October to the very nice mild weather to be had in mid September. For many years after, I hunted deer and elk in both Colorado and Montana with blackpowder. These hunts were meat hunts, intended to put high quality game in the freezer for the family; and it was expected that all the kids hunt as they reached age, and could buy a license.
 
After I got married, I built a Big Bore Mountain Rifle in .54 calibre from a kit. I took my first sizable bull elk with that rifle, which I actually wrote about and posted in this forum. Sadly, my Big Bore .54 rifle had issues…It shot beautifully and was one of the most accurate front stuffers that I have ever owned. But this amazing accuracy and ignition was only possible while at the range or on a shooting line; I took many shooting trophies with that rifle. But take that dang .54 rifle for a short walk in the woods and the ignition became iffy at best. Over the years that rifle cost me several bull elk that were in the 8x9 & 9x9 class. These days my CVA Big Bore .54 is a wall hanger…I came very close on several occasions to wrapping that gun around a tree. So it being a wall hanger...not such a bad deal.
 
My next find occured in another pawn shop when I came across a Pedersoli Alamo Rifle in .50 calibre. I took that rifle to the range all summer, and by fall I knew where that gun was hitting from 5 yards to 100 yards. It produced 3 inch groups at 100 yards with Maxi-Balls a top 95 grains of 2fg and while using .490 Round Balls backed with 100 grains of 2fg this gun grouped shots nicely into 6 inches again at 100 yards. This became my deer/elk rifle for the next 10 years and accounted for my largest bull and many many cow elk. My primary quarry in the fall became the elk. This is when I learned to call elk; I learned their habits; I learned their body language...I learned how to hunt them. My harvest distances went from taking elk at 100 or more yards; to shooting elk at an average distance of 20 yards or less.
 
In the few years that I didn’t draw for a blackpowder license, I’d hunt with a home-made long bow or a compound. Let me say up front; I am no archer…I can hit the target well; small game are a breeze and I've feathered many deer. But I get way to excited when the elk come slinking in close and I can smell them. I have trouble hitting anything with a bow when the elk are tramping all around me. Give me a rifle and I’m solid, give me a bow with an elk at 10 yards….well it ain’t pretty at all....I have issues. :o

Somewhere in the early to mid 90’s, my dad and I made our first pilgrimage to Sidney Nebraska and the Cabelas store in that town. We had never been there, but it was a place that we both wanted to visit and see for ourselves. So we made the 2 hour drive early on a Saturday morning. It was an amazing store; this was back in the day when there were only 4 or 5 Cabelas stores and the Bargain Cave really contained bargains. My dad found a .32 calibre Blue Ridge Rifle with a flintlock ignition…we argued about my getting a Blue Ridge .32 in percussion. He thought I should broaden my horizons and get a flinter. I chose to stick with the tried and true so it was a percussion .32 that I took home.
 
The .32 calibre muzzleloader proved to be a fascinating, frustrating, awesome, and infuriating muzzleloading calibre for me to master. It seemed to be possessed by demons at one moment and then just as suddenly it would shoot quarter sized groups the next. That tiny drop of lead seemed to be impacted by every bit of fouling in the bore and the tiniest change in seating pressure sent the ball on a new path when the trigger was pulled. Over time I learned that consistancy is the best way to treat the tiny .32; if my patches were well lubed, and my pressure was consistent when seating that little lead pill…the gun would shoot smoothley and accurately all day on a diet of 32 grains of 3fg. Otherwise I had to swab the bore after almost every shot. For me the .32 was finicky and frustrating more than it was pleasant and wonderful. There was a learning curve when it came to mastering this pip-squeak, more so than any caliber that I had ever shot, and because of those trials and tribulations I developed a soft spot for this little 8mm pea shooter. I developed very accurate loads for my rifle with both round balls and surprisingly a Maxi-Ball conical bullet. It’s consumption of powder was a mere trickle compared to any other front stuffer that I owned up to that point. Was the .32 calibre accurate? It became my “goto gun” for small game. Taking cottontails and squirrels was a dream with the .32, but it really came into its own when I discovered spot & stalk hunting of Jack Rabbits. Maneuvering and stalking within shooting distance of Jack Rabbits at between 50 and 100 yards with a .32 calibre conical bullet was like taking a big game animal. These weren't just larger versions of the little cottontail, these animals were trophies that had to be earned when taken on open ground. Once my quarry was located I had to use many of the same stalking techniques that I used routinely to take larger game such as antelope, deer, and elk. Unfortunately, try as I might, I could never find a recipe that made the Jack Rabbit a palatable dish…Jack Rabbits are tough, stringy and just plain not fun to have as part of a meal. It’s been many years since I last stalked Jacks with smoke pole, but it taught me so much about spot & stalk hunting.
 
About this time in my life I missed hunting with the old Belgium 12 gauge, so I acquired a Pedersoli 12 gauge and a Pietta 10 gauge. The Pedersoli-12 was a light upland game gun that I used to take rabbits, squirrels in the early fall, doves on the eastern plains and a great quail hunt to eastern Kansas. The gun is slightly under bored, so I use 13 gauge wads and cards. It is such a sweet shooting little gun.
 
The Pietta-10 was an awesome goose gun.  My goose load in the Pietta is 95 grains of 2fg under a shot-cup of 98 steel “T” shot. We had such huge flocks of geese in my area that I’d take anywhere from 40 to 65 geese between Thanksgiving and Christmas Break each year. And the best hunting didn't start until the week between Christmas and New Years when the big flocks would migrate into our area. There would be days that I'd set up the deeks and an hour later I'd be picking up with a full limit and heading home to have breakfast with my wife and cleaning my harvest. The skies literally filled with thousands of Sky-Carp right after Christmas. The reason for the huge flocks was that Coors Brewery had a starch factory here on the edge of town with large cooling ponds that acted like warm water slews to draw in and hold the huge flocks of migrating geese. According to our local game warden, we would have about 17,000 geese that would over-winter in my virtual backyard. Hunting geese with a smoke pole is one of life's simple pleasures, you need to do it....make it part of your bucket list.
 
I also started hunting alot with a Brown Bess Carbine that I bought as a kit from Dixie Gun Works. Hunting geese with a flintlock had a steep learning curve and the experience was just awesome. I learned to hold my shots until the landing gear was well established and the geese were committed. I never took a day’s limit while hunting with the Bess, but those hunts are some of my most memorable hunts. There was one day I was out hunting geese with the Bess and the local game warden had been watching me through his binoculars. He came out to my blind to see what heck I was using to hunt geese. He then wrapped up in a camo sheet that I had brought along and hung-out with me for about an hour or so. He wanted to say that he had seen a guy “Make Meat” on geese with an old flintlock musket.  The starch factory closed lond ago due to changes in the world market, but I still get a few geese each year, though the glory days with the heavens filled with Sky-Carp are now a thing of the past.
 
I took the Bess Carbine on one Elk trip. She shot low about 5 o’clock at 50 yards, with an 85 grain load. I took a nice fat cow elk at 10 yards with that gun on the 3rd day of my hunt. I’d never seen an animal drop so soundly to a primitive firearm.
 
For the last 10 years or so I've used primarily flintlocks. Lately, I hunt mostly with a .45 calibre flintlock TVM Southern Kentucky Poorboy and my Brown Bess Carbine. My quarry is mostly small game with the smokepoles. I haven’t had a chance to “Make Meat” this year, but I’m hoping to get out and spend a few days afield before the seasons close. Medical issues have brought my outdoors activities to a complete standstill...and it just sucks. Anymore, when I'm out hunting, I don’t really care if I’m successful in harvetsing game, I just enjoy being out of doors and blending in with the natural surroundings for an afternoon or two.
 
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2011, 05:35:50 PM »
Cold day today down along the river. We got about 5 inches of dry snow last night, it was still going steady when I got up this morning. My...soon to be... Son-In-Law wanted to go out and set traps. I went along to lug gear and hunt with my .32 calibre Blue Ridge Rifle.
 
 It was cold, wet and fun. There are several big cottonwood trees along the river where we were making our sets. And as cold as it was today...the squirrels were out and about. Long story short...While we were wading the river and making sets, I was able to pick up 3 squirrels with my smoke pole. For dinner we had Squirrel & Wild Rice Soup...very filling and good tasting.
 
I paid for it all afternoon though...I'm ceratin that I over-did-it for my recovery from my surgury. OH Dang so much pain.  ???
“Lost?? Hmmm... been fearsome confused for a month or two, but I ain't never been lost!”
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“Ain't this somethin'? I told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Mother Gue said to me; ‘Make your life go here, son. Here's where the people is. Them mountains is for Indians and wild men.’  "Mother Gue", I says "the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world," and by God, I was right. Keep your nose in the wind and your eye along the skyline.”
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2012, 08:57:31 AM »
It's blackpowder season once again here in Colorado...I was out last weekend, and got into a couple of nice big bulls in dark timber with blow downs.
 
I'm back out again at the end of the week. Makin Meat on Elk...AWESOME!!!!
“Lost?? Hmmm... been fearsome confused for a month or two, but I ain't never been lost!”
Henry Frap the "Mountain Men"

“Ain't this somethin'? I told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. Mother Gue said to me; ‘Make your life go here, son. Here's where the people is. Them mountains is for Indians and wild men.’  "Mother Gue", I says "the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world," and by God, I was right. Keep your nose in the wind and your eye along the skyline.”
Del Gue in "Jeremiah Johnson"

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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2012, 07:02:32 PM »
It's blackpowder season once again here in Colorado...I was out last weekend, and got into a couple of nice big bulls in dark timber with blow downs.
 
I'm back out again at the end of the week. Makin Meat on Elk...AWESOME!!!!




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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2012, 03:48:23 AM »
My T/C Hawken .50 side hammer has never let me down. One shot, meat in the freezer. Ranges are approx. 90-135 yards. That smokepole has allowed me to harvest many a deer over the years and I started using it again the last 4 years. I will admitt that I got into the inline guns, nothing bad about em. I harvested several deer, but it just didn't feel right. I sold off all but one inline. My Hawken will always be my go to gun for medium to large game if it permits me to do so. I suppose my only and last inline I decided to keep is for just in case matters.
A little spit patch, .490 round ball, 2ff..........the smoke just dosn't get any better ;D .
I had to mount a scope on the Hawken some years ago; the eyes just arn't what they used to be :-\ .
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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2012, 04:28:52 AM »
   I have shot several deer with Hopkins & Allen under hammer muzzleloaders in 45 and 58 cal. using a patched round ball and iron sights, worked great !
  I also owned a 12 ga. muzzleloading O/U shotgun that I have shot Ducks, pheasant, rabbits and squirrel with, it was just as effective as a open choked cartridge shotgun.
  Never hunted or shot any game with a flintlock YET,  but still might " git er done "someday.   :) :D ;D
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2012, 09:59:47 AM »
   I have shot several deer with Hopkins & Allen under hammer muzzleloaders in 45 and 58 cal. using a patched round ball and iron sights, worked great !
  I also owned a 12 ga. muzzleloading O/U shotgun that I have shot Ducks, pheasant, rabbits and squirrel with, it was just as effective as a open choked cartridge shotgun.
  Never hunted or shot any game with a flintlock YET,  but still might " git er done "someday.   :) :D ;D

My hats off to you...I have killed many Geese, but very few ducks with a muzzleloader.  8)
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Makin Meat
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2012, 04:07:35 AM »
I took a muley buck 6 years ago with my cabelas red river percussion cap 54 cal at 103 yds.


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Re: Makin Meat
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2012, 12:27:05 PM »
I took my first black powder  Deer with my 50 cal. renegade percussion rifle. It really brought the challenge back int hunting for me, since then I pretty much hunt exclusively with my traditional BP guns. Hoping to get a deer this year with my 62 cal smoothbore flintlock.