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Peta sues seaworld for slavery.
« on: October 26, 2011, 05:16:18 AM »
     PETA lawsuit seeks to expand animal rights  APBy DAVID CRARY and JULIE WATSON - Associated Press | AP –      prevnext   
  • In this Monday, March 7, 2011 photo, killer whale Tilikum, right, watches as SeaWorld Orlando trainers take a break during a training session at the theme park's Shamu Stadium in Orlando, Fla. In an unprecedented lawsuit, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is accusing the SeaWorld marine parks of keeping five of its star-performer killer whales in conditions that violate the Constitution's ban on slavery. The suit, which PETA says it will file Wednesday, Oct. 26, 2011 in U.S. District Court in San Diego, hinges on the fact that the 13th Amendment, while prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude, does not specify that only humans can be victims. (AP Photo/Phelan M. Ebenhack) In this Monday, March 7, 2011 photo, killer whale Tilikum, right, watches as SeaWorld …
  • FILE - In this Thursday, Nov. 30, 2006 file photo, killer whale Kasatka leaps out of the water while an unidentified trainer gives signals during SeaWorld' Shamu show in San Diego. In an unprecedented lawsuit, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is accusing the SeaWorld marine parks of keeping five of its star-performer killer whales in conditions that violate the Constitution's ban on slavery. The suit, which PETA says it will file Wednesday, Oct. 26, 2011 in U.S. District Court in San Diego, hinges on the fact that the 13th Amendment, while prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude, does not specify that only humans can be victims. (AP Photo/Chris Park) FILE - In this Thursday, Nov. 30, 2006 file photo, killer whale Kasatka leaps out …
  • FILE - In this June 14, 2009 photo provided by Rhonda Bolling, a pod of killer whales are seen in Carroll Inlet, Alaska. In an unprecedented lawsuit, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is accusing the SeaWorld marine parks of keeping five of its star-performer killer whales in conditions that violate the Constitution's ban on slavery. The suit, which PETA says it will file Wednesday, Oct. 26, 2011 in U.S. District Court in San Diego, hinges on the fact that the 13th Amendment, while prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude, does not specify that only humans can be victims. (AP Photo/Rhonda Bolling) FILE - In this June 14, 2009 photo provided by Rhonda Bolling, a pod of killer whales …
        SAN DIEGO (AP) — A federal court is being asked to grant constitutional rights to five killer whales who perform at marine parks — an unprecedented and perhaps quixotic legal action that is nonetheless likely to stoke an ongoing, intense debate at America's law schools over expansion of animal rights.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is accusing the SeaWorld parks of keeping five star-performer whales in conditions that violate the 13th Amendment ban on slavery. SeaWorld depicted the suit as baseless.
The chances of the suit succeeding are slim, according to legal experts not involved in the case; any judge who hews to the original intent of the authors of the amendment is unlikely to find that they wanted to protect animals. But PETA relishes engaging in the court of public opinion, as evidenced by its provocative anti-fur and pro-vegan campaigns.
The suit, which PETA says it will file Wednesday in U.S. District Court in San Diego, hinges on the fact that the 13th Amendment, while prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude, does not specify that only humans can be victims.
Jeff Kerr, PETA's general counsel, says his five-member legal team — which spent 18 months preparing the case — believes it's the first federal court suit seeking constitutional rights for members of an animal species.
The plaintiffs are the five orcas, Tilikum and Katina based at SeaWorld in Orlando, Fla., and Corky, Kasatka and Ulises at SeaWorld San Diego. Tilikum, a six-ton male, made national news in February 2010 when he grabbed a trainer at the close of a performance and dragged her underwater until she drowned.
Captured nearly 30 years ago off Iceland, Tilikum has enormous value as a stud and has fathered many of the calves born at SeaWorld parks.
The lawsuit asks the court to order the orcas released to the custody of a legal guardian who would find a "suitable habitat" for them.
"By any definition, these orcas are slaves — kidnapped from their homes, kept confined, denied everything that's natural to them and forced to perform tricks for SeaWorld's profit," said Kerr. "The males have their sperm collected, the females are artificially inseminated and forced to bear young which are sometimes shipped away."
SeaWorld, which is owned by private equity firm Blackstone Group LP, said any effort to extend the 13th Amendment's protections beyond humans "is baseless and in many ways offensive."
"SeaWorld is among the world's most respected zoological institutions," the company said. "There is no higher priority than the welfare of the animals entrusted to our care and no facility sets higher standards in husbandry, veterinary care and enrichment."
The statement outlined the many laws and regulations SeaWorld is obliged to follow, touted the company's global efforts to promote conservation of marine mammals, and said the orcas' performances help give the public a better appreciation and understanding of these animals.
SeaWorld and other U.S. marine parks are governed by the Marine Mammals Protection Act, which allows public displays of the creatures if permits are obtained and the facility offers and education/conservation programs for the public.
Overall, under prevailing U.S. legal doctrine, animals under human control are considered property, not entities with legal standing of their own. They are afforded some protections through animal-cruelty laws, endangered-species regulations and the federal Animal Welfare Act, but are not endowed with a distinct set of rights.
However, the field of animal law has evolved steadily, with courses taught at scores of law schools. Many prominent lawyers and academics have joined in serious discussion about expanding animal rights.
Rutgers University law professor Gary Francione, for example, contends that animals deserve the fundamental right to not be treated as property. Law professor David Favre of Michigan State University has proposed a new legal category called "living property" as a step toward providing rights for some animals.
Favre was skeptical that litigation seeking to apply the 13th Amendment to animals would prevail.
"The court will most likely not even get to the merits of the case, and find that the plaintiffs do not have standing to file the lawsuit at all," he said by email. "I also think a court would not be predisposed to open up that box with fully unknown consequences."
Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe, who in past writings has proposed extending legal standing to chimpanzees, also expressed doubt that the courts were ready to apply the 13th Amendment to animals. But he welcomed the PETA lawsuit as a potentially valuable catalyst for "national reflection and deliberation" about humans' treatment of animals.
"People may well look back at this lawsuit and see in it a perceptive glimpse into a future of greater compassion for species other than our own," Tribe wrote in an email.
Tribe noted that some Americans might find it bizarre or insulting to equate any treatment of animals to the sufferings of human slavery. But he argued that the 13th Amendment was written broadly, to address unforeseen circumstances, and could legitimately be applied to animals.
An African-American constitutional expert, Nicholas Johnson of Fordham University School of Law, said he could understand why some blacks might be insulted by the lawsuit, but didn't share that reaction: "I'm more entertained by it in the legal context than I am offended by it."
PETA addressed this issue in the suit, noting that repeated Supreme Court rulings have applied the 13th Amendment to many forms of involuntary servitude beyond the type of slavery that existed during the Civil War.
"The historical context is undeniable," said Jeff Kerr, the PETA lawyer. "But that's not what this case is about. It's about the orcas in their own right, not whether they are or aren't similar to humans."
The five orcas are represented in the case by PETA and four individuals: Ric O'Barry, a longtime orca and dolphin trainer; Ingrid Visser, a New Zealand marine biologist who has studied orcas extensively; Howard Garrett, founder of the Orca Network, an advocacy group in Washington State; and Samantha Berg, a former orca trainer at SeaWorld Orlando.
The lawsuit details the distinctive traits of orcas, the largest species within the dolphin family, including their sophisticated problem-solving and communicative abilities and their formation of complex communities.
The suit alleges that captivity in the "barren tanks" of a marine park suppresses the orcas' abilities and relationships, and subjects them to stress. This sometimes leads to instances where the orcas injure themselves, other orcas or humans that interact with them, according to the suit.
Naomi Rose, the Humane Society's marine mammal biologist, said there's a growing body of research suggesting that whales, dolphins and porpoises have the cognitive sophistication of 3-to-4-year-old human children.
As for the orcas at SeaWorld, she said, "They don't seem to adapt to captivity. I would say they're miserable."
At SeaWorld San Diego, visitors are shown a film touting the park's rescue efforts that have saved thousands of sea creatures. During the main performance, trainers point out how much the orcas are similar to humans: The babies cry before moving on to babbling and finally imitating the crackling sounds of the adults' voices.
Jenny Raymond, 47, who was visiting from Switzerland, said she was delighted by the show and does not buy the argument that the orcas are slave laborers.
"I think they are in better conditions here than in the wild," she said.
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Crary reported from New York City.
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Re: Peta sues seaworld for slavery.
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2011, 02:50:55 AM »
Does that mean the animals at SeaWorld are entitled to Affirmative Action consideration?

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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2011, 02:57:34 AM »
Great, the next time one of these is playing around and accidentally kills a trainer, the San Diego police department will have to arrest the whale and with a trial by a jury of the whales peers do you know what that will do to the carpeting in the court house?
 
Slavery is outlawed by the constitution by race not spieces. :o

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2011, 03:51:32 AM »
Great, the next time one of these is playing around and accidentally kills a trainer, the San Diego police department will have to arrest the whale and with a trial by a jury of the whales peers do you know what that will do to the carpeting in the court house?
 
Slavery is outlawed by the constitution by race not spieces. :o
Now thats funny. ;D ;D ;D  Next will be horses and donkeys used for work. Were will it stop!!! That is liberals in this country. It makes you wonder where these people heads are. I heard of one of these PETA people make a comment along the lines that people no longer need to hunt. Why don't they just go to the grocery store where they don't have to kill animals for food. Dale
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2011, 04:26:47 AM »
Great, the next time one of these is playing around and accidentally kills a trainer, the San Diego police department will have to arrest the whale and with a trial by a jury of the whales peers do you know what that will do to the carpeting in the court house?
 
Slavery is outlawed by the constitution by race not spieces. :o
Now thats funny. ;D ;D ;D  Next will be horses and donkeys used for work. Were will it stop!!! That is liberals in this country. It makes you wonder where these people heads are. I heard of one of these PETA people make a comment along the lines that people no longer need to hunt. Why don't they just go to the grocery store where they don't have to kill animals for food. Dale
maybe those animals in the grocery store commited suicide ?
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 04:30:20 AM »
I wish I had thought of organizing a group like PETA. This is a huge money maker, they accomplish nothing of value, are accountable to practically no one, and the people that run it are living very comfortably. The kind of people they attract for support and for employees are typically very impressionable followers. The key to getting it started successfully was the founder and spokeswoman who speaks such nonsense but does so in a calm and matter of fact way that persuades a lot of people. It's one of the most amazing and effective organizations of all time.
 
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2011, 05:54:09 AM »
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maybe those animals in the grocery store commited suicide ? 
     BUGEYE. My goodness, you mean you  didn't know that?? Don't forget roadkill. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2011, 06:01:14 AM »
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maybe those animals in the grocery store commited suicide ? 
     BUGEYE. My goodness, you mean you  didn't know that?? Don't forget roadkill. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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has anyone had filet of orca ?
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2011, 11:41:46 AM »
If peta had thier way you wouldnt be allowed to eat those grocery store animals either. It is their intention to force a vegan lifestyle on everyone.

Although I suspect they more about control than animal rights.
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2011, 12:37:11 PM »
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This is a huge money maker, they accomplish nothing of value, are accountable to practically no one, and the people that run it are living very comfortably.

 
 
Sounds sort of like the NEA, most (if not all) unions and several other governmental departments.
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2011, 02:29:52 AM »
Fillet of Orca, well it tastes like California Condor and goes well with Spotted Owl egg omlets.

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 02:31:33 AM »
Fillet of Orca, well it tastes like California Condor and goes well with Spotted Owl egg omlets.
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2011, 03:20:27 AM »
Look at PETA's actions, rather than what they preach, and you soon realise they are way more about making money and getting publicity than actualy helping animals. In fact they've been known to kill animals, and to preach such, rather than see them as pets. They are hypocrits of the worst kind!

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2011, 03:53:31 AM »
Two planet control goofs going at it.  Good. Maybe they will clean each others clock and let the third control goofs get it all, Lawyers.

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2011, 04:03:55 AM »
Spirithawk, I remember reading about them killing animals. Can't remember what state it happened in, but I think they killed hundreds of dogs and cats, because they couldn't care for all of them. They are just a band of hypocrits. No different than the Al Gore's of the world. They believe they know better than the rest of us, and want us to change our lifestyle. Meanwhile, they go about their merry way, asking for donations, to help the animals. Best thing that could happen in this lawsuit, would be for the judge to throw it out in the very beginning. But, probably being a good lawyer, he'll run the course, to keep himself busy with trival crap like this. gypsyman
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2011, 04:31:57 AM »
Here is a link:
 
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
 
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2011, 04:40:34 AM »
Here is a link:
 
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
 
I despise Peta. They are hypocrites. Hunters are bigger animal lovers than they are

Hunters do way more for conservation and wildlife, in just one year, than PETA has since it's begining. If you look up domestic terrorist you're likely to find PETA as most of their tactics fit the description pretty well!

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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2011, 07:06:41 AM »
One of the ironies here is that Sea World certainly does more that PETA to promote conservation, sustained and improved habitat, etc. PETA basically just sues people, makes money, and dumps dead puppies into dumpsters.

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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2011, 07:21:49 AM »
Wouldn't it be better to have a group People for the Ethical Treatment of People, than the group of hypocrits who want human stautus for animals.
 
Hunters pour more money into conservation than PETA does. Hunters are more concerned with game management than PETA. Ever see what over population of the herds do during the winter?
 
PETA and groups like them classify all sportsman as slobs; regardless if you are a catch and release fisherman, harvest game animals leagally or are a scumbag poacher.

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2011, 07:33:43 AM »
So do the critters have to pay taxes on food and water they recieve ? ???
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2011, 07:50:32 AM »
They should have to pay but then how would it be for Shamu to whip out his aligator skin wallet and buy dinner?

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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2011, 09:18:27 AM »
Will Shamu get his 40 acres and a mule?  Oh, but wait, that would be making a slave of the mule.  What to do?
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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2011, 02:56:13 AM »
Shamu gets his 40 acres and a mule. Slave what slave that was lunch!! ;D

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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2011, 05:41:41 AM »
The CEO' of Sea World should send peta  letter agreeing with the charges and immediatly invite them to the grand opening of their sushi/sashimi bar.  ;)   ;D   ;D