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Do Crosses at Catholic University Violate “Human Rights” of Muslims?  Posted in Top Stories | 2,380 comments Do Crosses at Catholic University Violate “Human Rights” of Muslims? Oct 26, 2011
  The Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights confirmed that it is investigating allegations that Catholic University violated the human rights of Muslim students by not allowing them to form a Muslim student group and by not providing them rooms without Christian symbols for their daily prayers.
The investigation alleges that Muslim students “must perform their prayers surrounded by symbols of Catholicism – e.g., a wooden crucifix, paintings of Jesus, pictures of priests and theologians which many Muslim students find inappropriate.”
A spokesperson for the Office of Human Rights told Fox News they had received a 60-page complaint against the private university. The investigation, they said, could take as long a six months.
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The complaint was filed by John Banzhaf, an attorney and professor at George Washington University Law School. Banzhaf has been involved in previous litigation against the school involving the same-sex residence halls. He also alleged in his complaint involving Muslim students that women at the university were being discriminated against. You can read more on those allegations by clicking here.
Banzhaf said some Muslim students were particularly offended because they had to meditate in the school’s chapels “and at the cathedral that looms over the entire campus – the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.”
“It shouldn’t be too difficult somewhere on the campus for the university to set aside a small room where Muslims can pray without having to stare up and be looked down upon by a cross of Jesus,” he told Fox News.
A spokesman for Catholic University released a statement to Fox News indicating they had not seen any legal filings — but would respond once they do.
“Our faithfulness to our Catholic tradition has also made us a welcome home to students of other religions,” said  Victor Nakas, associate vice president for public affairs. “No students have registered complaints about the exercise of their religions on our campus.”
In a 2010 interview with National Public Radio, university president John Garvey acknowledged that they don’t set aside prayer rooms for Muslim students.
“We make classrooms available, or our chapels are places where they can pray,” he told NPR. “We don’t offer Halal meat, although there are always meals that conform to Halal regulations, that allow students to do what they want.”
Banzhaf said that it is technically not illegal for Catholic University to refuse to provide rooms devoid of religious icons.

“It may not be illegal, but it suggests they are acting improperly and probably with malice,” he said. “They do have to pray five times a day, they have to look around for empty classrooms and to be sitting there trying to do Muslim prayers with a big cross looking down or a picture of Jesus or a picture of the Pope  is not very conductive to their religion.”
As for the creation of a Muslim student group, Banzhaf said the university has an association of Jewish students – so why not a Muslim group?
“I think they are entitled as a matter of law to be able to form a Muslim student association and to have the same privileges as associations,” he said. “I think that most of them would much prefer to have a place to pray – that they are not surrounded by various Catholic symbols – a place that is more conductive to their religious beliefs than being surrounded by pictures of Popes.”
Garvey, in his 2010 interview with NPR, addressed that issue.
“It’s just not something that we view as an activity that we want to sponsor because we’re a Catholic institution rather than Muslim,” he said.
Patrick Reilly, the president of the Cardinal Newman Society, an organization that promotes Catholic identity among Catholic schools, seemed stunned by the complaint.
“I don’t know what the attorney wants them to do – if he wants them to actually move the Basilica or if the Muslim students can find someplace where they don’t have to look at it,” he told Fox News.
Catholic University, he said, is a Catholic institution.
“One wouldn’t expect a Jewish institution to be responsible for providing liturgical opportunities for other faiths and I wouldn’t expect a Catholic institution to do that,” he said.
“This attorney is really turning civil rights on its head,” he said. “He’s using the law for his own discrimination against the Catholic institution and essentially saying Catholic University cannot operate according to Catholic principles.”
Read coverage from Catholic University’s student newspaper by clicking here.
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I'm betting there are no religious symbols in the crappers.  Let them pray in there.
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I'm betting there are no religious symbols in the crappers.  Let them pray in there.

 
HEH, good idea, it would be just as spiritually pure as a mosque. How much more arrogant can these scum get?? Sign up in a Christian school then tell them they are offended?? GOOD, I hope they are. The  school should kick them all out. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Since the Muslim students weren't forced to attend the Catholic school, unlike in a Muslim country, where people of faiths other than Muslims aren't allowed in a Muslim school.
 
It's an easy solution, all the Muslim students have to do is quit going to the Catholic school.
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I'm betting there are no religious symbols in the crappers.  Let them pray in there.


Before the Muzzies are allowed to pray there, the John should be blessed by having a pork rind party, leaving behind pork rind pieces and wrappers in the crappers.

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I work at a Cathlic University in the Midwest. We built a new building 2 years that includes room for prayers or meditation for other religions. No crucifixes. Not a big deal. Cathlic Universitys encourage diversity. BTW all our class rooms have crucifixes in them as all cathlic schools do.

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Why would you attend a catholic university and not expect to see a symbol? To be offended by it when you are paying the tuition is stupidity. If you don't like it attend another school. I do realize when you attend most muslim univeristies there are classes in bomb making and starting a jihad 101, however they still teach readin, rittin and rithmetic.

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TM7,
My post is a bit tongue in cheek. I have been to the mid east several times. The jihadist 101  and bombmaking 101 classes :P  are taught much earlier than college level by the way.
 
Can you name a non biased news source?
 I use my 'putor for many things. It is merely a device for my entertainment. I am not one of those "I saw it on the internet therefore it is true" folks. Unless of course you are talking about space aliens...

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 Freedom of religion is just that. Maybe they should choose another institution.

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Well at least something good came of it. Catholics are now know to be Christians. Some people doubt it.

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It's an easy solution, all the Muslim students have to do is quit going to the Catholic school.

 
OSR. But but but, then they couldn't cause trouble, thats why they are there.
SHU. Since you have seen them where they live, at what point in their vast education do they learn the important things, wife beating, properly removing a nose or head, stoning, etc. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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SHU. Since you have seen them where they live, at what point in their vast education do they learn the important things, wife beating, properly removing a nose or head, stoning, etc. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Not sure of the age, but judge for yourself.

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I put muslims, queers, liberals and other pedophiles all in the same category, they are pushing an evil agenda against God.  I never thought I'd see those groups have a ready audience in this country.
now this is Not my opinion, it's Gods. he has said they WILL go to eternal torment.
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TM7,
My post is a bit tongue in cheek. I have been to the mid east several times. The jihadist 101  and bombmaking 101 classes :P  are taught much earlier than college level by the way.
 
Can you name a non biased news source?
 I use my 'putor for many things. It is merely a device for my entertainment. I am not one of those "I saw it on the internet therefore it is true" folks. Unless of course you are talking about space aliens...

Good....try a variety of sources for entertainment and a mosaic of information..a pattern
 
 
I suppose Introductory Bomb Making 101 is fighting war on the cheap....not really too good for offensive war, however; that takes bombers and missles.
 
As for the moslems in the Catholic school, perhaps they should go some place else...maybe they will and start their own universities...that will go over real well.... ::) ;D   I suspect there is more behind this story then the FOXy reporters are saying. But you're free to accept it as you like.
 
..TM7

So because of your preconcieved hatreds you only "suspect" without any real information is what you are saying?
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Hate to burst your hate bubble, Powder, but no action was taken by mohammedean students there.  It was George Washington U. professor John F. Banzhaf III who brought action.

Banzhaf is a professional complainer who brings action against all sorts of people and institutions. 
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SUBJOE. YEP, heres a link to it. http://blog.beliefnet.com/news/2011/10/lawsuit-says-crosses-at-catholic-university-offensive-prevent-muslim-prayers.php
 
 
I hope they fire him. Biting the hand that feeds him. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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PM,
I don't know what age they learn to stone, cut noses off etc. It would seem it is part of a culture in some areas. What I do know is the culture is different from ours but there is alot of media hype also. The media plays up alot of things to stir up people and will down plal other things to try and settle things down.
 
The "free press" isn't so free. It has it's own agenda but that is something for another topic.
 
I still say if you go to a Catholic school and complain about a Crucifx or a Cross you are an idiot.

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Hannity was all over this and subjoe was right it was all about some egotistical goof ball, self appointed jughead trouble causer.
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   Fits the pattern....here's what your pard subjoe found out....(when he bothered to look).

What the hell is that supposed to mean, TM?    Powder and others came on like it was the mohammedeans who brought the action.  I knew that was wrong so I posted.  If you had "bothered to look," you would find that there have been quite a few occasions where someone has posted something like that, or slamming Obama, and I have come up with a "Hey, wait a minute!" post.  Heck, I'll even defend the anti-civil rights lobby IF someone attributes to it something that is false. 

Just because I don't follow your revised-for-American-consumption version of the mohammedan religion doesn't mean I don't bother to look at claims.  Quite possibly you should "bother to look" at some of the claims you post about how tolerant, peaceful, and non-violent the mohammedan cult is.

For a moderator on Greybeard Outdoors, you seem to try to instigate a lot of flames here.  But then, you can hide behind that too.
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Nice back track and spin.  And kind of funny - I've seen "moderator" after your name somewhere among all these fora.
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Phobia is a fear of something. It is not a fear with me but a hatred of wrong and evil.
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This Catholic University should kick the Mouslin kids out and not allow any more in.

 
YEP. What possible reason would muslims have to enroll in a Christian school??? POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Perhaps the Muslims and catholics can decide whom should actually be on those Crosses. Jesus got off that Cross a couple thousand years ago, but the catholic keeps puttin him back up there, and prayin like crazy to His mother. I think the Muslims will only add to the catholic's confusion, and both can argue with "each other" that the other is right, and know one else in the world knows what their doin.
That will  leave the rest of us free to worship God HIMSELF, without interference. MAYBE! ;)
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Oh, the Roman Catholic church isn't confused. It's old, it's been around since the beginning, they move slowly and deliberately, but they get better, slowly.

Smart folks in the Catholic church; they'll not be confused by anything here.
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Perhaps the Muslims and catholics can decide whom should actually be on those Crosses. Jesus got off that Cross a couple thousand years ago, but the catholic keeps puttin him back up there, and prayin like crazy to His mother. I think the Muslims will only add to the catholic's confusion, and both can argue with "each other" that the other is right, and know one else in the world knows what their doin.
That will  leave the rest of us free to worship God HIMSELF, without interference. MAYBE! ;)
wow- and how does how Catholics pray affect you? And secondly- how do Catholics having Jesus on the cross and praying to St Mary cause interference?

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xd40. Well, for starters theres nothing Biblical about praying to Mary or calling her a saint, just Catholic doctrine. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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xd40. Well, for starters theres nothing Biblical about praying to Mary or calling her a saint, just Catholic doctrine. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
You didn't answer my 2 questions.----- how does how Catholics pray affect you? And secondly- how do Catholics having Jesus on the cross and praying to St Mary cause interference?

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xd40. I'd love to answer but the thread would get locked, just reread my previous post. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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xd40. I'd love to answer but the thread would get locked, just reread my previous post. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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