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Dr. Alan Sabrowsky: "They did it...100% certain...."
« on: October 31, 2011, 05:25:40 AM »
  Okay,,,,lets leave the collapses and hole in pentacon to the criminalogists, engineers, and the miltary analysts trying to figure out how novice pilots escaped 16 intell and NORAD's auspices.....and consider who did it...who did 911?   Here we have Dr. Alan Sabrowsky, former Vietnam marine veteran and former director of Studies at the US War College,,,claiming:       "What we need to stand up and say is not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it. I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at it's headquarters, Marine Corps and I made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period." -
Dr. Alan Sabrosky, March 14, 2010 - listen to podcast
 
This is the same claims earlier plainly explained by prime Minster of Italy claiming every intell agency in the world knows this fact...too sophisticated to and operation to be left to novice pilots...
 
 
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/03/19/22329/     Friday, March 19th, 2010 | Posted by Gordon Duff  GORDON DUFF: SABROSKY INTERVIEW TIES ISRAEL TO 9/11   61  DR ALAN SABROSKY, FORMER DIRECTOR OF STUDIES AT THE US ARMY WAR COLLEGE
“ISRAEL DID IT”
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
Meet Dr. Alan Sabrosky, a brave man, a USMC Vietnam vet, an American of Jewish ancestry and someone devoted to the security of the United States at any cost.   Ask any Jew what it takes to stand up against the most powerful and ruthless group in the world, the Israeli lobby inside the United States.
VIEW COMPLETE VIDEO INTERVIEW AT THE END OF THE ARTICLE
 
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Sabrosky has been calling for a new 9/11 investigation for some time.  What makes him unique is that we have a Jew who can hardly be called “self-hating” or “anti-Semitic” or against Israel.  He is consistent in everything he says.  His point is that you are an American or you are an Israeli but you can’t be both, especially now with Zionism turning Israeli foreign policy into a “runaway train.”  9/11, as Sabrosky sees it was the watershed in a relationship between America and Israel that has gone from bad to unsurviveable, especially for America.  He contents that AIPAC exercises near total control over the electoral process in America through the ability to outspend any other group and destroy anyone who stands against them.
The unwillingness of the US to stand with the international community on humanitarian and war crime issues where Israel is found in continual violation is, to Sabrosky, a critial issue.  In discussion the US and her lack of support for the Goldstone Report, Sabrosky says:
US criticism of the HRC resolution should be disregarded, as Washington only parrots Israel’s wishes here…
… it might have been better to have included Goldstone’s condemnation of Hamas offenses as well, but it is legitimate as it stands for five reasons: (1) Israel committed the great majority of the violations; (2) Israel had an overwhelming preponderance of military power; (3) Palestinians suffered almost all of the death and destruction; (4) Israel has a long, sordid history of ignoring UN commissions and resolutions, and of attacking UN facilities and killing UN staff, as when the clearly marked UNRWA facility in Gaza was bombed; and (5) the HRC focus is properly on the actions of the oppressor (Israel) and not on those of the oppressed (the Palestinians).
Another is that it did not accord Israel the right of self-defense. But Israel’s claim to self-defense in its savaging of Gaza is specious, because Israel — like all occupiers and oppressors — has no inherent right of self-defense against its victims. Who, for instance, would have accepted Nazi Germany’s assertion that its brutal reprisals against the Czechs for their assassination of a Nazi commander named Reinhard Heydrich was an exercise in self-defense? No one, and no one should accept Israel’s claim, either.
A third is that holding Israel accountable for its actions will somehow endanger the Middle East peace process. But there is no peace process, simply meaningless discussions to the dead end (for Palestinians and the rest of the region) of Israeli hegemony, and under Netanyahu or any electable government in Israel, there is not and cannot be one. There will be an enforced peace imposed from outside of the Middle East, over the objections and obstruction of Israel, or there will be none at all.
ZIONISM AND ISRAELI NATIONALISM
This is how Sabrosky describes the nature of Jewish nationalism as described within the term we call “Zionism”:
The differences between Jewish nationalism (Zionism) and that of other countries and cultures here I think are fourfold:
1. Zionism is a real witches’ brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism and militarism that places it way outside of a “mere” nationalist context — for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the Provisional Irish Republican Army or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way — and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis;
2. Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not — e.g. a large majority of American Jews, including those who are not openly dual citizens, espouse a form of political bigamy called “dual loyalty” (to Israel and the US) that is every bit as dishonest as marital bigamy, attempts to finesse the precedence they give to Israel over the US (lots of Rahm Emanuels out there who served in the Israeli army but NOT in the US armed forces), and has absolutely no parallel in the sense of national or cultural identity espoused by any other definable ethnic or racial group in America — even the Nazi Bund in the US disappeared once Germany and the US went to war, with almost all of its members volunteering for the US armed forces;
3. The “enemy” of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America’s target list); and
4. Almost all nationalist movements (including the irredentist and secessionist variants) intend to create an independent state from a population in place or to reunite a separated people (like the Sudeten Germans in the 1930s) — it is very rare for it to include the wholesale displacement of another indigenous population, which is far more common of successful colonialist movements as in the US — and perhaps a reason why most Americans wouldn’t care too much about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians even if they DID know about it, is because that is no different than what Europeans in North America did to the Indians/Native Americans here in a longer and more low-tech fashion.
Sabrosky is one of the few Americans who sees the nuclear threat of Israel as it is, blackmailing the United States, not only in how it could be used to draw America into an unwanted war, but how it could actually be used at some point to attack the United States itself.  Only recently, Israel put Western Europe on notice that it would be attacked if its actions threatened Israel, attacked by nuclear weaons from Israel without warning.  Martin van Creveld’s threat combined with Sabrosky’s analysis of Israeli intentions and culpability for 9/11 brings to mind something Sabrosky had once written.
He has always seen Moshe Dyan as a hero.  Dyan saw Israel’s military role as that of a “junk yard dog,” ready to bite without warning, attack anything and anyone.  Sabrosky notes that, eventually such an animal is always put down or as he puts it,  ”the preferred response of everyone else is to kill that mad dog before it can decide to go berserk and bite.”
9/11
Sabrosky makes a case, not just for a coverup of 9/11 but goes much further.  He points out as do so many that the physics of the attack are unworkable.  He, however, is one of the few to point to a conclusion many find obvious but few have the nerve to admit, that it would have been impossible to stage 9/11 without the full resources of both the CIA and Mossad and that 9/11 served the interests of both agencies quite well.
There was nothing they could have wished for more.
Sabrosky also makes a point involving media coverage of 9/11:
Finally, we need to take a hard look at why the mainstream media (MSM) have paid more attention to Sarah Palin’s wardrobe than they have to dissecting blatant falsehoods, discrepancies and inconsistencies in the US Government’s treatment of 9/11 and its aftermath.
ZIONISM AND TREASON
The inescapable point isnt the 60,000 Americans killed or wounded in a war started out of treason or the world it threatens to destroy.  Americans have been looking away from these glaring realities the way they looked away from Vietnam.  Sabrosky leaves Israel and her American Jewish supporters who he sees as traitors with a warning:
If these Americans and those like them ever fully understand just how much of their suffering — and the suffering we have inflicted on others — is properly laid on the doorsteps of Israel and its advocates in America, they will sweep aside those in politics, the press and the pulpits alike whose lies and disloyalty brought this about and concealed it from them. They may well leave Israel looking like Carthage after the Romans finished with it. It will be Israel’s own great fault.
Do we take Sabrosky seriously because he is a Marine or a Jew?  Do we wonder why the things he says reach so few?  Is American in a shooting war where our biggest enemy sits behind us, killing us off, robbing us blind and whispering gently in our ears how much they love us?
It would seem so.
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 06:16:51 AM »
Found this when I put Mr Sobrosky's name in my search engine. Interesting.
 
Clever the way they workd the swastika in to the Star of David.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2011, 06:28:16 AM »
http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010/05/alan-sabrosky-large-majority-of-us-jews.html

kinslayer, here's the real skinny on sabrosky.  sabrosky never lets himself be photographed while wearing his tinfoil hat.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2011, 01:47:19 PM »
  I will have to do some research and careful thought before I can comment on this subject. It will take some time. I am certainly not in the blame the Jews crowd. I am not living in a vacuum, I have done some research and thought already, just not enough to comment yet.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 01:45:44 AM »
Great link BUGEYE! I had pretty much figured out he was a kook but that surely spells it out for anybody who cares to check into him.
 
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Not sure an EXPresident who was forced out for committing atrocities himself is such a stellar witness for your cause. I also cannot find any info linking a "operation gladio" with the UN. Not that I have any great love for that organization.
 
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 03:55:48 AM »
TM7,
 
I get the impression that anything outside complete agreement with him is going to qualify as "knocking the messenger". While I didn't find Mr. Sobrosky to be particularly earthshaking or authoritative I did give the post it's due and tried to research some of the allegations made, but when in very short time you find the swastika star of David thing and then can't find anything about some of the other statements it makes you go hmmmmm.
 
Maybe Lost Farm Boy is right with his "Illuminati" angle and the "Illuminati" have Mr. Sobrosky on the payroll as a "red herring" and using him to lead people astray? I am sure I left a comma out in there somewhere, Sorry.
 
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 04:40:05 AM »
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Not that I would ever try to be argumentative  ;) ;) , but just because I don't choose to adhere to your particular view of history does not mean I lack a historical perspective. As far as Biblical history goes I have never claimed to be a theologian and not sure what you meant by that part of the statement. ???
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2011, 07:46:18 AM »
 
 
OK I guess maybe I am slow, stubborn, thick, argumentative or any number of adjectives you would wish to use, but when I type in "dominik otto suter" and "fbi most wanted terrorist list" into a search engine and the only and I mean only links that come up are to hundreds of conspiracy sights I get sceptical. Not one link to the FBI webbsite, where one can go whenever one wants to view that list, was found. BTW he is not on that list now so what happened?
 
I am sure someone will have an explanation. I am sure it will have something to do with my lack of "historical perspective" or "biblical knowledge".
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2011, 08:42:38 AM »
All the links go to people like sabrosky who lies about his credentials and is obviously anti-semite.
I have not found a single credible conspiracy site.  they sometimes get very childish in their rants.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 06:58:18 AM »
   
 
OK I think I got this straight.....it is quite acceptable for a "truther" to use the word "conspiracy" as in "the goverments official conspiracy theory" but when someone else uses the word it is "disingenuos" and "indicates a shakey basis for your argument". Got it!
 
Just out of curiosity isn't the core of the "truthers" belief that there is indeed a "conspiracy" involving goverment coverup of what actually happened?
 
All I did was try to research some of the information that was posted and reported my findings. How is that "trying to control" or "sliding" the discussion? It is not my fault that when trying to verify the info posted that those web sites come up. Am I supposed to ignore that fact. I would think if "truth" is your goal the answer has to be NO.
 
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 10:25:39 AM »

Maybe Lost Farm Boy is right with his "Illuminati" angle and the "Illuminati" have Mr. Sobrosky on the payroll as a "red herring" and using him to lead people astray?
 
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Is this one of your jokes or are you trying to be serious? He could be a useful idiot. Some useful idiots are on the payroll, but most work for free.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 11:13:09 AM »
Still doesn't explain why my cousin and thousands of others witnessed the airliner that hit the pentagon.
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2011, 03:46:24 AM »
Still doesn't explain why my cousin and thousands of others witnessed the airliner that hit the pentagon.
it happened just like your cousin said.  but the simple minded are easily led astray by people who want nothing more than an adoring public.
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2011, 06:09:03 AM »
Still doesn't explain why my cousin and thousands of others witnessed the airliner that hit the pentagon.

 
 
I was going to comment on this, but this is the Dr. Sabrowsky and the Jews did it thread. I hope with the new moderators we can stay on topic.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2011, 05:28:10 AM »
All that bandwidth and you still cannot explain away my cousin and the thousands of other eye witnesses.
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2011, 08:21:35 AM »
Wow somebody is obviously worked up. Too bad in all that huge post there is not one verifiable fact. Most of it is the same junk just condensed from the multitude of rumors and theories, on many "truther" websites, into one long winded rant.
 
I love the following part which they (truthers) repeat over and over again as if it has some relevance considering no 767s flew into those building.
 
 "A 32-story Spanish skyscraper, the Windsor building, burned for 24 hours but remained standing. The idea of buildings collapsing from fire is absolutely asinine."
 
Gotta give them credit for being persistant. Now if they would just trade in some persistence for consistency. They just need to get all the "truther" sites and people to come out and say the same thing like......Israel and the jews did it....and get it over with. Then they could start trying to prove one theory instead of the twenty or thirty floating around the internet.
 
I personally have a hard time believing that Israel would risk alienating their staunchest ally just to work up some US anti-muslim ferver.
 
I am probably just asking for trouble but am I the only one who saw the Bin Laden video where he is talking to his #1 guy about how the attack was far more succesful than they had hoped. Man am I going to get raked for that statement.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2011, 08:37:59 AM »
kinslayer, we saw it.  obl was as shocked as we were.  as an engineer, he knew the damage would be huge but nothing like what happened.
btw, one of the media is fixin to do a story pointing the finger at the saudis for bankrolling it.
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2011, 08:58:19 AM »
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I love the following part which they (truthers) repeat over and over again as if it has some relevance considering no 767s flew into those building.
 
 "A 32-story Spanish skyscraper, the Windsor building, burned for 24 hours but remained standing. The idea of buildings collapsing from fire is absolutely asinine."

 
 
Well, Kinslayer1965, you just have to accept the "fact" that two billion (2,000,000,000) foot pounds of energy is irrelevant.
 
 
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You clearly use the word 'conspiracy' in a scoffing or marginalizing manner, attempting to detract credbiltiy in one fell swoop from info presented....I remind you that your belief is just a conspiracy theory, too...the Official 911 storyline is the Official Conspiracy Theory

 
 
 
Now that is either quite humorous or quite disingenuous, since tm you clearly use the "OCT" or "Official Conspiracy Theory" in a "scoffing or marginalizing manner" every time you refer to it as such.
 
 
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2011, 10:37:11 AM »
I can post a statement from someone with a footnote naming Marvel Comics as the source. A footnote in and of itself does not insure truth.
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2011, 01:09:53 PM »
I can post a statement from someone with a footnote naming Marvel Comics as the source. A footnote in and of itself does not insure truth.

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Ever serve on jury or have an idea about that.?  What we have here is a mountain of evidence.... physical, coincidental, and circumstantial; and a prepondrance thereof...points to Dr. Sabrowsky's conclusions to be correct.
 
 
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And NONE of it takes away from my cousin as well as THOUSANDS of other eye witnesses.
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2011, 06:54:48 AM »
Still doesn't explain the thousands of eye witnesses. 
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.