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Poverty rate probably higher than thought.
« on: November 04, 2011, 08:56:28 AM »
     The Lookout       Is the poverty rate even higher than thought?    By Zachary Roth
Senior National Affairs ReporterBy Zachary Roth | The Lookout – 1 hr 35 min   
  AP Photo/Joe MarquetteIn September, Americans accustomed to dismal economic news absorbed another rude blow, with reports that a record 46.2 million Americans were living in poverty, and that the poverty rate had jumped in recent years. But the actual rate may in fact be even higher than that--while the recent spike may be less severe than thought, a new study is expected to show.
On Monday, the U.S. Census Bureau will release a report that uses an alternative--and many say a more accurate--method of measuring poverty. Unlike the conventional method, which is largely unchanged since it was created in 1963, the new one will count tax credits and non-cash benefits--food stamps, for instance--as income. The new calculus will also include medical costs--an enormous fixed expense for some Americans, especially seniors. The Census Bureau's revised method of assessing poverty will also take into account the vastly different costs of living across the country.
How will that change things? According to the New York Times, experts expect the new measure to show that the share of Americans living in poverty is actually slightly higher than the 15.1 percent--already very high by historical standards--the Census researchers reported in September.
But the Census Bureau's new findings may also show that the Great Recession and the halting recovery that has followed didn't have as big an impact as September's report suggested. That study found that since 2006, the number of Americans living in poverty has risen by a whopping 9.7 million. The Times reports that a study published last week using alternate Census data showed a gain of less than half that figure--4.6 million. The more recent study also showed that 39 states experienced no significant growth in poverty during that period. That study was similar in methodology to the government's new analysis out Monday.
In addition, because the new Census report will include medical costs as a fixed expense, it will likely show a higher poverty rate among seniors, though a lower one among children.
One other takeaway from the alternate measure, which could have political implications as lawmakers haggle over budget cuts: Safety net programs such as food stamps and tax credits appear to have played a major role in keeping many Americans' heads above water.
Supporters of such programs are already using that projected finding to argue against cuts to such programs. The new measure "is showing that government help is keeping millions of families above the poverty line right now," Arloc Sherman of the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities told the Times.
Opponents may counter, in turn, that because the programs are already sizable--combined, food stamps and tax credits accounted for $221 billion in spending last year, almost all benefiting low income people--they can afford to be trimmed.
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2011, 09:05:36 AM »
The poorest folks always seem to have money for Lottery tickets, booze, and tobacco.  Nearly all of them seem like they aren't missing too many meals.  Poverty in America is pretty rough.
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2011, 09:12:59 AM »
 
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The poorest folks always seem to have money for Lottery tickets, booze, and tobacco.  Nearly all of them seem like they aren't missing too many meals.  Poverty in America is pretty rough.
       That's not politically correct, Swampman.  But, from my observations, fairly accurate.
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2011, 11:16:43 AM »
A cartoon in our county paper shows an old lady all bundled up, tv showing a 3.6% ss raise, and her elderly husband saying, WOW, we'll turn the thermostat up to 60 and celebrate with a can of cat food. There are some who are hungry. Not all are like some of the scum we see in the stores. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2011, 03:12:04 PM »
Our professional poverty class is doing quite well, their major health problem is obesity and drug addiction.   Any kids that go to bed hungry in America do so because their momma spent the free money for her own fun, not food for the kids; we can't give 'em enough money to change that.
 
You have to remember that when 'income' is rated, the Feds only consider earned income, not the welfare they receive.  With a system like that it wouldn't matter if we gave every one of them $100K a month, they would still fit the Feds definition of poverty because they don't - and won't - hold a job; why should they?
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2011, 04:24:57 PM »
The Dems have spent Billions on shovel ready jobs.  Obama and Pelose claim that these shovel ready project have saved millions of jobs.  I expected to see a massive shovel shortage, high shovel prices, shovel plants mostly in China running 24-7.  I expected great marches on Washington demanding more Solar Powered shovel plants to be built.  Turns out the money was shoveled into fat Labor Union retirements. The Teachers Union, AFL,  UMW, UAW, Teamsters got the shovels to protect their set down accounts.  Damn most Americans thought the Obama was talking about jobs for people who wanted to work. Wrong it was for his pals who shut down jobs. :(

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2011, 05:07:33 PM »
The Dems have spent Billions on shovel ready jobs.  Obama and Pelose claim that these shovel ready project have saved millions of jobs.  I expected to see a massive shovel shortage, high shovel prices, shovel plants mostly in China running 24-7.  I expected great marches on Washington demanding more Solar Powered shovel plants to be built.  Turns out the money was shoveled into fat Labor Union retirements. The Teachers Union, AFL,  UMW, UAW, Teamsters got the shovels to protect their set down accounts.  Damn most Americans thought the Obama was talking about jobs for people who wanted to work. Wrong it was for his pals who shut down jobs. :(

 
SIDEWINDER. Great post Sir. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2011, 12:29:58 AM »
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The Dems have spent Billions on shovel ready jobs.  Obama and Pelose claim that these shovel ready project have saved millions of jobs.  I expected to see a massive shovel shortage, high shovel prices, shovel plants mostly in China running 24-7.  I expected great marches on Washington demanding more Solar Powered shovel plants to be built.  Turns out the money was shoveled into fat Labor Union retirements. The Teachers Union, AFL,  UMW, UAW, Teamsters got the shovels to protect their set down accounts.  Damn most Americans thought the Obama was talking about jobs for people who wanted to work. Wrong it was for his pals who shut down jobs. :(
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LOL Sidewinder,I'll be smilin' all day! You would have thought with all those shovel ready jobs the union bosses would have ordered shovels for the rank-and- file to lean on.(Little known fact- Jimmy Hoffa NEVER drove a truck in his life)