Ron Paul Said He Would Not Vote For "In God We Trust", (if he had been there)

[ironglow]

   Just as with Obama's recent joining Sarcozy in belittling Israel and the Israeli's choice of a prime minister:
 
     ....For a smart person, some things are simply ...best left unsaid !  Why alienate people you have no need to ?

[Frank2]

Saddlebum:

The guy appears to be an isolationist even to his neigboring states.

You don't really care about God.  If you did you wouldn't use that term "isolationist" in your attempt to discredit a good candidate.  The term "isolationist" is the term used by Satan to discredit any candidate who puts America First.   

[Casull]

The term "isolationist" is the term used by Satan to discredit any candidate who puts America First.   

 
 
What passage is that in?   

[BUGEYE]

Saddlebum:

The guy appears to be an isolationist even to his neigboring states.

You don't really care about God.  If you did you wouldn't use that term "isolationist" in your attempt to discredit a good candidate.  The term "isolationist" is the term used by Satan to discredit any candidate who puts America First.   

being afraid to take a stand is a cop-out.  he's afraid he'll alienate someone.  bull, I want a prez that acts like a man and says he'll enforce the constitution and not leave it up to people like jerry brown.
the liberal states would take away every one of your rights and continue murdering babies.
the constitution is for EVERYONE.  not just for southerners and westerners.

[ironglow]

The term "isolationist" is the term used by Satan to discredit any candidate who puts America First.   

 
 
What passage is that in?   

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  Casull;
   So you want book, chapter & verse huh ?  Well here's your answer;
   
    Heckapaticus 4:17 ...."Thou shalt not call a politician an isolationist"
     
   What ? You've never seen that before ?   
 
    Just "funnin" you, guys !

[saddlebum]

Saddlebum:

The guy appears to be an isolationist even to his neigboring states.

You don't really care about God.  If you did you wouldn't use that term "isolationist" in your attempt to discredit a good candidate.  The term "isolationist" is the term used by Satan to discredit any candidate who puts America First.   

The healthy fear of God I have and concern for my country and it's inhabitants, is exactly why I won't vote for Paul. I doubt seriously that my opinion of goofy little Ron Paul will get me an express ticket to hell.But your delusion just might!
 
IRONGLOW, funny post! If it had been posted anonymously, I would have thought sure it was someone else that posted it. It just looks familiar...................

[Frank2]

Ron Paul's stance on not voting for 'In God We Trust' is probably just a tactical move on his part.  He's probably trying to attract others from across the spectrum.  There are a lot of whites who are brainwashed that there is no place for God or Christianity on public symbols.  Now where did they learn that behavior?  Perhaps for now it is a good thing that he keeps his message with the widest appeal.  Don't forget, it is the anti-Christian media that opposes the Paul candidacy.  What they fear is more important, seeing a restoration of Christianity in our media!  A an election of Ron Paul could lead to that.      

[ironglow]

Frank2 says;
  "  There are a lot of whites who are brainwashed that there is no place for God or Christianity on public symbols.  Now where did they learn that behavior?"
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     Frank,
   Your statement leaves me a bit puzzled.  What does color/race have to do with this discussion ?     Explain please...
 

[Frank2]

ironglow:

Frank2 says;  "  There are a lot of whites who are brainwashed that there is no place for God or Christianity on public symbols.  Now where did they learn that behavior?"'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''     Frank,    Your statement leaves me a bit puzzled.  What does color/race have to do with this discussion ?     Explain please...

Whites are a voting block like any other ethnic group. They have rights too.  Is there problem with that?  Many voted for Obama into office.  A smart candidate understands how to appeal to their needs.  They are well immersed in objectivity by the anti-Christian media, which has taught them to reject Christianity in all of it's forms, and many have bought into that thinking. 

So how do you get these people to come back to the right?  Start speaking their language, that's how!  Sometimes there's a fine line between liberalism and libertarianism, and that is what Ron Paul is doing!  He is using that objectivity that is so common between liberals and libertarians to gain their support.  And he has been successful at that endeavor, according to the polls.

[Casull]

tm, you asked me to show you what the Founders thought about this Nation being "under God".  I tried to do that.  I wasn't arguing about what the Founders chose as an unofficial national motto.  The fact is that the official national motto IS "In God We Trust".  Personally, I would trust in God before trusting in anything a politician might say or do.

[Singleshotsam]

Ron Paul always believes in States rights over having the Feds force laws onto states.  That's the way the constitution designed it, that's the way Paul supports it.  Ron Paul is a great candidate because he doesn't shy away from issues and he says what's on his mind.  So your going to fault him for that?  If anything you should applaud him for having the backbone to take a stand on anything if nothing else.  But what he's doing is apparently working for him despite the Mass Media blackout of his winning several straw poles.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-wins-yet-another-straw-poll-why-181238457.html
 
My opinion is that if the Media on both sides of the aisle are trying to black this guy out then that's who I'm voting for.  They are scared of him and rightly so.  That being said, there isn't a "Miracle Candidate" that's going to play Jesus and save our country.  It's the people that believe in Jesus standing together and demanding change that will save this country. 

[BUGEYE]

Ron Paul always believes in States rights over having the Feds force laws onto states.  That's the way the constitution designed it, that's the way Paul supports it.  Ron Paul is a great candidate because he doesn't shy away from issues and he says what's on his mind.  So your going to fault him for that?  If anything you should applaud him for having the backbone to take a stand on anything if nothing else.  But what he's doing is apparently working for him despite the Mass Media blackout of his winning several straw poles.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-wins-yet-another-straw-poll-why-181238457.html
 
My opinion is that if the Media on both sides of the aisle are trying to black this guy out then that's who I'm voting for.  They are scared of him and rightly so.  That being said, there isn't a "Miracle Candidate" that's going to play Jesus and save our country.  It's the people that believe in Jesus standing together and demanding change that will save this country.

so, you would sit idly by while jerry brown and his gang of girly men take away the guns of mcwoodduck and cabin4 and our other California friends. what about Ill?  the Constitution is supposed to be for everyone, not just the conservative states. Ron Paul is too scared to take a stand on anything that a president should. he won't take a stand on abortion, leaving it up to the likes of jerry brown and pat quinn.

[Casull]

Not arguing either...no contentions, except the original Founders apparently came up with E Pluribus Unum as a motto. Just passing along some info/facts for consideration...that's all.

 
 
 
Well then, accepted in that spirit.

[Singleshotsam]

so, you would sit idly by while jerry brown and his gang of girly men take away the guns of mcwoodduck and cabin4 and our other California friends. what about Ill?  the Constitution is supposed to be for everyone, not just the conservative states. Ron Paul is too scared to take a stand on anything that a president should. he won't take a stand on abortion, leaving it up to the likes of jerry brown and pat quinn.

What are you even talking about?
Amendment 10:
 
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
 
The 2nd amendment prohibits any state from denying the right to bear arms to its citizens. 

[saddlebum]

"Sometimes there's a fine line between liberalism and libertarianism, and that is what Ron Paul is doing!  He is using that objectivity that is so common between liberals and libertarians to gain their support.  And he has been successful at that endeavor, according to the polls."
 
That is a very telling statement in and of itself. Especially coming from a Paul supporter. Paul supporters are usually beating me over the head with how Paul is the "founder" of the Tea Party and the most conservative and far right candidate in the race. That statement makes Paul sound like a typical politician, trying to be all things to all voters and the epitome of compromise. IMO
 
And reply #37 is so full of contradictions it makes my head swim. Not to mention the hint of racism. So that post is better ignored out of futility. It speaks for itself..............

[Casull]

The 2nd amendment prohibits any state from denying the right to bear arms to its citizens. 

 
 
Yeah, that's worked real well for Illinois.

[blind ear]

I sent Ron Paul another small donation today. ear

[BUGEYE]

The 2nd amendment prohibits any state from denying the right to bear arms to its citizens. 

 
 
Yeah, that's worked real well for Illinois.

when my brother in Chester takes his wife out to dinner, he becomes a criminal according to Ill. law.
where is the Constitution when he needs it?

[Singleshotsam]

The 2nd amendment prohibits any state from denying the right to bear arms to its citizens. 

 
 
Yeah, that's worked real well for Illinois.

when my brother in Chester takes his wife out to dinner, he becomes a criminal according to Ill. law.
where is the Constitution when he needs it?

Bugeye I have no idea what your issue is... The 10th amendment is very plain spoken.  But i'll do my best to try and explain it for you.
 

 
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The constitution grants certain powers to the Federal Government.  In these instances it overrides the power of the state.  This is how the states stay united.  Any powers that are not granted to the federal government (which would prohibit them to the states)  are by default granted to the state or to the people.
 
The 2nd amendment prohibits any state from denying the right to bear arms to its citizens. 
   
 
 

Yeah, that's worked real well for Illinois.

I'm sorry but are the citizens of Illinois specifically denied the right to own firearms?  What about the citizens of California?  No, they are allowed to own weapons.  Are there certain areas that have restrictions on certain types of firearms.  Yes.  Before the assault weapons ban sunset we all fell under a ban on assualt weapons.  Enough people banded together and their voice was heard and now AR15 parts are as cheap as dirt.  The citizens of these states will now have to band enough people together and be a big enough pain in the politicians ass in order to get these abusurd restrictions repealed.
 
Now this is the statement that makes my head hurt...
 
 

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The 2nd amendment prohibits any state from denying the right to bear arms to its citizens.

 
 
 

Yeah, that's worked real well for Illinois.

when my brother in Chester takes his wife out to dinner, he becomes a criminal according to Ill. law.
where is the Constitution when he needs it?

 
Excuse me sir, but the Constitution is doing it's job.  It's not stepping into a minor states right issue that should be corrected by the citizens of that state.  Just because the states citizens are too slack and lazy to do some footwork to get the law taken off the books is NOT the job of our Constitution.  How is this so hard for a grown man to understand?  This is stuff you learn in 7th grade U.S. Government class...
 
   
 
 
 
 
 

[Casull]

I'm sorry but are the citizens of Illinois specifically denied the right to own firearms?

 
 
The citizens of Illinois are denied the right to concealed carry (or open carry unless hunting).  Clearly, that is a violation of the 2nd Amendment right to BEAR arms.

[Singleshotsam]

The citizens of Illinois are denied the right to concealed carry (or open carry unless hunting).  Clearly, that is a violation of the 2nd Amendment right to BEAR arms.

But the citizens are allowed to OWN guns.  Therefore not violating the constitution.  They are prohibited from carrying them at certain times or instances by the state.  This is an instance of a states people being lazy and not doing their best to get these restrictions turned around.  Just because you can't carry the gun you want doesn't mean the constitution has let you down.  The people of Illinois have let themselves down by not fighting hard enough for the rights they feel are important to them. 
 

[Casull]

But the citizens are allowed to OWN guns.  Therefore not violating the constitution.  They are prohibited from carrying them at certain times or instances by the state.  This is an instance of a states people being lazy and not doing their best to get these restrictions turned around.  Just because you can't carry the gun you want doesn't mean the constitution has let you down.  The people of Illinois have let themselves down by not fighting hard enough for the rights they feel are important to them. 

 
 
The 2nd Amendment does not deal only with the right to OWN guns.  It deals with the right to keep and BEAR arms.  Therefore, violating the Constitution.  Attempting to claim that the people are too lazy and therefore not entitled to the protections of the Constitution is a piss poor excuse and simply wrong. 

[Singleshotsam]

But anyway, to put this topic back on track.  Ron Paul's stance on In God We Trust.  So he doesn't agree with having a National slogan forced on us when it isn't a constitutional mandate.  He also believes the Federal government doesn't have the right to tell a woman she can or can't have an abortion.  The Federal government doesn't have the right to tell gay people they can or can't get married... ect.  The point is that unless the constitution specifically mandates power to the Federal Government, then they do not have the authority to weigh in on matters that the Constitution clearly gives to the State and people to handle.  Why is any politician that believes in a smaller Federal government getting so much flak in calling for the Federal government to quit sticking it's nose in our business. 

[Singleshotsam]

Attempting to claim that the people are too lazy and therefore not entitled to the protections of the Constitution is a piss poor excuse and simply wrong.

 
Ok professor, then please enlighten me as to how the people lost this right, when other states allow their citizens concealed carry and open carry?  When did I ever say that the people weren't entitle to the protection of the Constitution?  I did not.  Don't put words in my mouth.  Might I suggest you actually attempt reading the statement?
 
The people of that state were asleep at the switch and allowed a bogus law to be put on the books.  Fight it.  It's as simple as that. 

[Casull]

But anyway, to put this topic back on track.  Ron Paul's stance on In God We Trust.  So he doesn't agree with having a National slogan forced on us when it isn't a constitutional mandate.

 
 
Good thing he wasn't in charge when the current US Flag design was approved, since there is no Constitutional mandate for that either.

[Casull]

Ok professor, then please enlighten me as to how the people lost this right, when other states allow their citizens concealed carry and open carry?

 
 
OK junior, they lost that right through the tyranny of the majority.  Do you understand that the Constitution is there to protect all?  Are you so hung up on RP that you are willing to ignore the dangers that individual States can pose to their citizens?  You do understand, that Constitutional rights are not just endangered by the Federal Government, but more often than not endangered by the States?

[Singleshotsam]

Good thing he wasn't in charge when the current US Flag design was approved, since there is no Constitutional mandate for that either.

That's a matter of opinion.  Our country didn't become the great Nation it is today because we have a flag and motto.  It's great because of our Bill of Rights and Constituiton and the brilliant minds that created it.  It will continue to be great and get better if we stick to the guidelines our forefathers set for us, and if we continue to promote personal responsibility in our own lives and not depend on politicians to decide whats best for us. 
 
 

[Casull]

That's a matter of opinion.  Our country didn't become the great Nation it is today because we have a flag and motto.  It's great because of our Bill of Rights and Constituiton and the brilliant minds that created it.  It will continue to be great and get better if we stick to the guidelines our forefathers set for us, and if we continue to promote personal responsibility in our own lives and not depend on politicians to decide whats best for us.

 
 
Well, except for the first sentence, I agree wholeheartedly with the above post.  But, that flag has been a rallying symbol for many, particularly when they needed it.

[Squib]

money is federal, and it gets a FEDERAL vote to establish a FEDERAL motto.  if they want it christian, good for them.


ps- I hate when people say/write "socialistic".  ideology, government, identity, ETCETERA are all socialist if stemming from socialism but not socialistIC!  There is a guy at my work that does that too, he also refers to scope recticles.   

[Singleshotsam]

Ok professor, then please enlighten me as to how the people lost this right, when other states allow their citizens concealed carry and open carry?

 
 
OK junior, they lost that right through the tyranny of the majority.  Do you understand that the Constitution is their to protect all?  Are you so hung up on RP that you are willing to ignore the dangers that individual States can pose to their citizens?  You do understand, that Constitutional rights are not just endangered by the Federal Government, but more often than not endangered by the States?

They lost that right through the tyranny of the majority - Is it the majority?  Or was it a lack of outcry by 2nd Amendment advocates at the time a politician brought the bill to the state legislator, and then again on the day it was voted on? 
 
Do you understand that the Constitution is there to protect all -  Yes
 
Are you so hung up on RP that you are willing to ignore the dangers that individual Sates can pose to their citizens?  -  So now your laying claim that our founding fathers were ignorant in their design of our Constitution?  (and to answer your trollish comment about being hung up on RP - I never close my eyes and drink any politicians Kool-Aid unlike others on this forum)
 
You do understand, that Constitutional rights are not just endangered by the Federal Government, but more often than not endangered by the States? - Do you understand that our Constitutional rights are under fire by any elected, power hungry politician that would take advantage of their own sleepy eyed citizens to abuse their power and further push through personal agenda's or the agenda's of others that would pay them to look the other way.  And that nothing will change until we ourselves accept full responsibitly for our lack of involvement in the operation of our cities, counties, states and nation?  I fully understand.  I fully understand that my predessesors left me a gigantic mess to take over and fix so my children don't inherit a failed nation. I understand that I will have to stiffen my backbone, dig in my feet deeper and work twice as hard to correct the situation my elders failed me on when they were supposed to be responsible  . 
 
Our nation has been asleep for to long...