*That* Mosin Safety. :-(

[flmason]

Hi All,
    We all know about the Mosin safety, and of course about the ring mod.

Anyone have a non-modification way to deal with it? Was thinking about making a ring that somehow clamps on or even wrapping some wire around the cocker. But would just prefer not to weld up on the gun. I know they're not particularly collectibile these days, but I seem to have a decent matching numbers example. (Will know how decent if I ever manage to get out and shoot it.)

Anyway, was wondering what the current state of the art in dealing with what must be the most difficult to use safety of all time, LOL!

[hillbill]

ive seen where guys drilled two small holes in the circular safety knob, bent a piece of hard wire into a horseshoe shape and silver solderd it into the holes. making a loop that you could insert your finger into and pull and twist.looked like it worked very well.

[OldH&R156er]

Or, you could make some kind of a trigger block, something that would go in behind the trigger or a catch from the front.
I am going to give this some thought, I have 3 of the darn things and the safety thing bugs me!

[flmason]

Or, you could make some kind of a trigger block, something that would go in behind the trigger or a catch from the front.
I am going to give this some thought, I have 3 of the darn things and the safety thing bugs me!

Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't know if it's my rifle in particular, but the spring is so heavy it's hard to use the safety reliably, as is. Watching some Youtubes, I'm beginning to believe my spring is on the heavy side, or my grip stinks, LOL!

So for me, it's more of a hazard than a "safety".

I've seen the various ring mods. They seem good. But, don't really want to mod the rifle irreversibly. So I'm thinking I could make some sort of ring arrangement that clamps on the narrow part of the cocking piece. Still mulling over the most straight forward way to do something like that.  Not sure there's enough room on the bottom side near the stock either.

Can't see spending for/installing a Timney trigger or other pricey mods. If you are going to try to turn it into a 700, might as well wait and get a 700, rather than burn the $$$ on a bunch of mods for what's still basically a gun in an oddball cartridge for here in the U.S.

[hillbill]

its not your grip. the safety is hard to use but not too bad once you get used to it.

[OldH&R156er]

I think that back when they built these rifles, a safety was an after thought.
The design doesn't lend itself to having one!

[OldH&R156er]

I think I may have come up with a workable idea for an add on safety that you wouldn't have to permanently alter the gun by adding.
It would use the same trigger pin that holds the trigger to the receiver and move into place to block the sear/spring from being able to release the firing mechanism.
You would work it by moving it back toward the trigger, there should be enough room in front of the trigger for this and while it is engaged, you would not be able to put your finger on the trigger either.
Move it forward to disengage it and it would open up room for the trigger finger.
Call it a double safety.
 
I am still working out the details and as soon as I have a working piece of hardware "If it does work", I will post it!

[coss]

I have several Mosins.  My technique for mods is to buy a duplicate part from one of the major parts houses, take off the original "matching" part, store it in a safe, well-marked place, and then modify the replacement part.  You can then return the rifle to its original state by swapping the old part back into place.
 
I've done this with front sights, a stock, and one cocking piece.
 
I like a pull ring on a Mosin safety.  To fabricate mine, I bought a dog leash swivel at Home Depot, cut off the clip part, and used the D-shaped ring with a circular base to mount onto the cocking piece.  I had to file a bevel into the circular base to fit the sloping surface of the cocking piece.  The hole in the center of the circular base still allows access to the screw slot so you can adjust the firing pin depth.  Mine is attached with two screws and JB Weld epoxy.  It works fine.
 
 

[evidrine]

If you search you can find a trigger safey for the mosin. Ebay used to have them but I have not seen them lately. I put one on my Mosin and it works well. It basically fits inside your trigger guard and has a small lever that can be flipped up and down to allow you to block your trigger from being pulled. I use both the ring safety and the trigger safety.

[evidrine]

Its hard to see the lever behind the trigger because it is in the up position in the photo. I debated if I wanted to paint it before I installed it but descied to leave it alone. The only draw back is that it reduces the oppening of your trigger guard. I can see how someone with large hands (fingers) may not like it. For me it works just fine. Its almost got the feel of a standard trigger safey because the latch the engage/disengage is right at the rear of your trigger guard. Every little extra sense of safety it well appreciated with these guns.

[OldH&R156er]

OK, forget my idea, it doesn't work out.
Too many parts needed and in doing it right, one part would need to be welded to the receiver, so thats no good!

[flmason]

OK, forget my idea, it doesn't work out.
Too many parts needed and in doing it right, one part would need to be welded to the receiver, so thats no good!

Yeah, I have to admit, seems like a simple cross bolt to block the sear from being pulled down would've been easy to incorporate in the original design.  This is one area where the K98's really do shine, IMHO.

[flmason]

I think that back when they built these rifles, a safety was an after thought.
The design doesn't lend itself to having one!

Probably true. The thinking probably was that you were going to load it and empty it right off, rather than stalk deer with it.

[Pat/Rick]

I lay the rifle along my forearm and operate the safety withthe two middle fingers mostly. By having the butt of the rifle laying against your bicep it seems to give more leverage to the fingers. Also by setting the firing pin protrusion to the maximum or just less than, it lessens some of the spring tension off the safety. Wear safety glasses the first time you shoot with it adjusted out to make sure you are not going to pierce primers. The protrusion guage is on the bolt tool that may have come with an accesory kit when the rifle was bought.

[yellowtail3]

Pat/Rick nailed it; butt of rifle in crook of right arm, use index/middle finger to pull back on safety, bracing against bicep. Still harder than any other safety I can think of, but manageable.

[Larry Gibson]

A small piece of garden hose about 1/2" ling and slit so it collapses can be inserted behind the trigger to block it.  A small string or flexible wire attached to it and the trigger guard keep it from being lost.  It is easily pushed out with the trigger finger.
 
I however, really didn't like that set up.  Thus I modified an SKS safety and the back of the trigger guard. so it works just like it did on the SKS blocing the trigger.  It is very handy and I really like it.  Of course the commercial trigger replacement is available with the side safety but the relacement trigger is as much as the rifle.
 
Larry Gibson

[flmason]

Pat/Rick nailed it; butt of rifle in crook of right arm, use index/middle finger to pull back on safety, bracing against bicep. Still harder than any other safety I can think of, but manageable.

I must have a really weak grip or an incredible spring. I tried that method and it's just very insecure for me. When I saw it on a Youtube, thought it was going to be the answer. In a hunting situation, I'd be afraid I'd miss the shot messing with the safety. Or accidentally discharge the gun.

[flmason]

A small piece of garden hose about 1/2" ling and slit so it collapses can be inserted behind the trigger to block it.  A small string or flexible wire attached to it and the trigger guard keep it from being lost.  It is easily pushed out with the trigger finger.
 
I however, really didn't like that set up.  Thus I modified an SKS safety and the back of the trigger guard. so it works just like it did on the SKS blocing the trigger.  It is very handy and I really like it.  Of course the commercial trigger replacement is available with the side safety but the relacement trigger is as much as the rifle.
 
Larry Gibson

No doubt the Timney trigger is the high class way to go.

Been thinking of putting some rubber tube in the finger groove and just wrapping some stiff wire around it, then making a loop, similar to the loop mods out there, but not modifying the gun permanently. I get a chance, after this move I'm making, gonna have to try a few ideas I've been kicking around. This is about the only technical complaint I can think of for this gun. Least for me. I don't need match trigger pulls and such.

Been wondering if there's just some way I can wrap the striker and tie a loop with some leather or paracord and just make a temporary sort of loop "for the hunting trip" so to speak. 

No doubt the Mauser safety beats this, and the 700 type has got to be the best for hunting.

[Pat/Rick]

ebay  $20   Haven't used them, but looks like a good alternative.
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mosin-Nagant-Triggerblock-Safety-/270860254013?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f10877b3d

[evidrine]

Yep, thats the one I was telling you guys about. Have one on my rife, you can see it in the pic above. Works well for me.

[Junior1942]

This is a piece of rubber air hose.  It must be thick/big enough so you can't pull the trigger no matter how hard you try. To shoot, push it aside with your finger.