Long - intermediate and Short action mausers ??

[shinjin]

Need some explaining.
 
I have three older LR mauser 98s and all seem to have the same length action. Then I bought a Rem 798 in 243 and its action is noticably shorter. And I see Mexican Mausers listed as short actions. And I read the KAR98 is an intermediate (or was it the Chezh)..., anyway, I am confused and want to build some rifles but want to match cartridge length to action for ease of feed.
 
The LONGs are based on 7,8 or 9 X57mm cartidges. What are the intermeidates base don and what in the heck is the short?  And whose is a short action?

[frogtog]

yugo 48's are imdt,.  98k  is full lenght,have 1 of each   both 8mm - was - 98k is now a 257ack imp

[shinjin]

frogtog - that was helpful. let me ask you a few more questions.
 
Is my .243 caliber Remington 798 an intermediate action?
 
And are the Remington 799's in .223 the only true SHORT mauser actions?

[Steve85569]

shinjin,
The 308 Win which the 243 is based on is an intermediate shell. I have a 98 Isreali that is 7.62( military 308 Win) and the magazine has been shimmed to allow the intermediate shell to feed correctly in the long action. Bottom line  - you can shoot shorter shells in a long action but not the other way around. I have a 798 Rem in 7.62 x 39 that WAS NOT shimmed by the factory and I still haven't got around to doing it. Feeds like crap and is the reason I stoppd buying Remmington. Short shells in a long action won't feed without shimming the magazine.
 
 
I can't tell you about the 799 action.

[S.S.]

Boggles the mind doesn't it!
Some will argue the fact that there is only 2
different actions but there is actually 4 that I have found
so far. One however was made for killing tanks. once you figure out
what receiver you have, then comes the thread sizes!
Fun ,Fun!

[shinjin]

Trader, I think we can agree the Tank Killer is the MAGNUM action, eh? LOL!
 
STEVE - How do you block that mag well to feed short cartridges?  I can't find any literature on doing the job. I can see it was factory done for my 798 in 243 and I keep losing auctions for a Gibbs Mag with a block  so with P-Dawg trip coming I am a little frantic to get this done.
 
Suggestions, web site ith plans... anything would be appreciated.

[S.S.]

it is not the magazine that is the real problem,
it is the distance from the front of the magazine to the chamber.
the bullet point jams up between the back of the barrel and the receiver.
the only way I have found to solve this issue is to reload the cartridge to a longer
OAL .

[1911crazy]

I've seen the tank killer upclose at a gun show its bigger than we think.
If your not confused yet maybe this will do it;  http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/mauser_reference.html
Bookmark it and print it.    Your welcome CZY
The mexican 7mm mausers used a 98 sized bolt in a small ring receiver thats why most were used for doing builds.
The turk '38 used a 98 sized bolt / reveiver with a small ring barrel.
I installed/replaced a german 98k with a sewer pipe bore with a Czech barrel and it went right in and locked inplace.  It headspaced perfectly on the go -gauge too.  The czech barrel was probably manufactured on german machinery anyway. The only difference there was is the handguard.  I fitted the czech handguard to the german 98k stock for the perfect military looking sporter.

I had a turk '38 and a german '98k with the same exact bolts.  The bolts were miss matched anyway but when the two bolts were switched they were tighter in the other gun when locked up.   They were loose in there orginal receivers.  They both headspaced ok in both guns.
The yugo m48 is a short bolt while the 98k bolts are a tad longer.  There has been mag problems too with the receiver bolt spacing needing to be wider for the longer calibers.  I believe that www.e-gunparts.com offers the longer magazine bodies in some cases too.
I just picked up a 1894 FN 308 mauser(bubba) and installed a 308win to 7,62x39 chamber adapter and i have the magazine spacer and the shorter follower for the 7,62x39 round i got from e gun parts.

[Rex in OTZ]

The Spanish Destroyer Carbine in 9mm Largo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_mm_Largo
 
 is essentially a scaled down Model 1893 Mauser with two rear-mounted locking lugs and a Mauser-style two-position flip safety. The Destroyer fired the same ammunition as the standard-issue police handgun and took the same magazines, however the longer rifle barrel resulted in greater muzzle velocity and accuracy, and subsequently range. It continued the tradition, started in the 1890s, of issuing police units with a short, handy, repeating carbine in pistol ammunition calibre.
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer_carbine
 
http://9mmlargo.com/destroy/index.htm
 
http://9mmlargo.com/destroy/destroy_art.htm
 
http://9mmlargo.com/index.htm