Washington’s enemy ‘doesn’t exist’

[BUGEYE]

It seems as though SOMEONE keeps bringing up ancient history about Jews to to try to justify what the muslims are doing now..... that was then, this is NOW... and musims are murdering people every day.  including their own wives and children.

btw, TLC is going to air a program about everyday american muslims.
ya think iran will air a program making iranian Christians look good. probably not.

[billy_56081]

Hebrewphobes such as Hilter took bible verses out of context also. Pretty much SOP for dropping up their hebrewphobia. 

[billy_56081]

TM7... it is a typical hebrewphobe assertion that the Jews in Israel now are not the true Jews of the bible. Calling them false Jew interlopers as the hebrewphobes do in order to make it easier to kill, genocide and holocaust them... this idea appeals to hebrewphobes and Christophobes alike. But the Israelis, as they are called today, are not false Jews as the hebrewphobes and other antisemite groups claim, but the Jews of the Bible and of the Torah.

[mcwoodduck]

TM7... it is a typical hebrewphobe assertion that the Jews in Israel now are not the true Jews of the bible. Calling them false Jew interlopers as the hebrewphobes do in order to make it easier to kill, genocide and holocaust them... this idea appeals to hebrewphobes and Christophobes alike. But the Israelis, as they are called today, are not false Jews as the hebrewphobes and other antisemite groups claim, but the Jews of the Bible and of the Torah.

Reguardless of history and where people have settled from.  We have had migration of peoples due to famon, war, exploration, or other reasons for thousands of years.  One group that is living there now may not be the group that has lived there for thousands of years. 
The exodius story tells us that the Hebrews lived in what is now Isreal, moved to Egypt and became slaves/ vasils/ workers (depending on the sources) the hebrews then left and wandered the desert for 40 years on their way to Caanan.  Where they did genocide as they conqured the lands.  As time went on and we had the arab infusion of the area and the crusades and more history of the Turks, WWI, WWII and the modern age with the founding of a Jewish state in 48.  With that started the whole new problem with the Arabs living in what is now palistien and the palistinian problem of not wanting or able to move to other location and not wanting to be citizens of Isreal. 
It would be as when Texas entered the Union that a group of Mexicans did not want to becoem Americans and wanted to be something else and were not willing to either move back to Mexico and they did not want them, or to become Americans.  What would we have done with them if they revolted and started killing Texans?

[powderman]

It would be as when Texas entered the Union that a group of Mexicans did not want to becoem Americans and wanted to be something else and were not willing to either move back to Mexico and they did not want them, or to become Americans.  What would we have done with them if they revolted and started killing Texans? 

       The big difference is we TOOK Texas. Israel TOOK BACK a small portion of land that God gave to them for eternity thousands of years ago. The palis were and are squatters and trespassers in Israel. Big difference. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

Addressing the original post..  Of course, different people have different views and many of us don't partake of Scheuer's view.
  Hre is a man who dealt with Muslims for many years..trying to work with them, fighting both beside them and against them.
  I believe he is closer to the truth.  The Muslims have been predatory, ruthless killers looonng before America was even a dream !  Colonel/Rep Allen West knows,  Hear him out;  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k
 
  Micheal Scheuer does bear a particular distinction however..he is endorsed by both Ron Paul AND Osama Bin Laden;
 http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=michael+scheuer+endorsed+by+bin+Laden&view=detail&mid=140444872013EBEDFE81140444872013EBEDFE81&first=0&FORM=LKVR6
   Micheal Scheuer makes it quite clear in the video..  If we would just convert to Islam, we would have no more trouble from the muslims..  Are you guys ready to convert ?  ..  How do you like the reverent tones Scheuer uses when speaking of " The Prophet muhammad" ?  Is it possible he got so immersed in Islam that he BECAME one ? 
   
      ...And the endorsement from "The Daily Paul" :
        http://www.dailypaul.com/186640/why-the-us-should-let-israel-bemichael-scheuer
 
   

[ironglow]

Did Scheuer turn Muzzie..and desert US interests ?  You decide; ..read his open letter to Bin Laden; you will find it here:
   http://theunjustmedia.com/Islamic%20Perspectives/sept09/Michael%20Scheuer%20letter%20to%20Usamah%20bin%20Ladin.htm

[ironglow]

Did Scheuer turn Muzzie..and desert US interests ?  You decide; ..read his open letter to Bin Laden; you will find it here:
   http://theunjustmedia.com/Islamic%20Perspectives/sept09/Michael%20Scheuer%20letter%20to%20Usamah%20bin%20Ladin.htm

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Nice try again  IG, but it simply is not turning muzzie as you say, to leave isreal alone or asking them to behave a little less like a pariah state; and for Americans to look out for American interest. It will be a sad day again when judaeo-christians send more of their daughters and sons off to fight yet another isreali war--this time Iran---Mr Scheuer seems to get this but you don't!!. And what is questionable is turning zionist and becoming a 'firster' judaoe-christian type (nee Hageeism)....which is wholely treasonous in my opinion, and anti-Christ in my second opinion. Scheuer is a long overdue patriot. As for the moslems, they appear to be far less a religious culture of hate, war, genocide, rilvary than any judaeo-christian idealogy and that is a matter of record when we compare history and scriptures.  In fact, the entire jewish-aethiest culture is pretty much founded on persecution, vengeful Gods, genocide, deceit, war, slavery, usury, sexism, racism, arguing and violating God, etc...you don't know how proud and lucky I am to tell you Christ put an end to all this stuff..  Please convert back to Christianity before it is too late. And just STOP, stop assisting in the killing and robbery of Christ's descendants in Palestine and the fomenting of endless wars--just stop.
 
 
...TM7
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   TM;
           I am sure surprised to see your glowing endorsement of Micheal Scheuer...positively estatic..
  You say " Mr Scheuer seems to get this but you don't"..  By "you don't"..I suppose you mean Billy, powderman and Mcwooduck as well as myself.
  Then you claim, "Scheuer is an overdue patriot"..fine praise indeed..
 
     I'm sure then you will be just as delighted with what Mr Scheuer has to say about 9/11...;
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIKz8PQlVvk&feature=player_embedded

[mcwoodduck]

It would be as when Texas entered the Union that a group of Mexicans did not want to becoem Americans and wanted to be something else and were not willing to either move back to Mexico and they did not want them, or to become Americans.  What would we have done with them if they revolted and started killing Texans? 

       The big difference is we TOOK Texas. Israel TOOK BACK a small portion of land that God gave to them for eternity thousands of years ago. The palis were and are squatters and trespassers in Israel. Big difference. POWDERMAN. 

I was not refering to what God gave them but how tolatant they have been in putting up with an openly hostile group inside of thier boarders and not wiped them off the map.  If they would recognize Isreals right to exist or even as a country / nation  there would be great leaps in the deplomacy of the two.   As I said earleir groups of people move and as the land was empty a couple of times and as other armies moved through things happend.  What is, is and what has happened, has happend.  Peopel that dwell on history rather than accept it and move on not to repeat the same problems or to carry on a fight that started and ended thousands of years ago and are not to be restarted. 
Latley it has become the tollarant vs the intollerant.
For years I have said theat Isreal can end the homocide bombers by stating that they will kill every member of the bombers family over 15 and adopt all the kids out to jewish families through out the world.  Parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, eliminate whole families.
I came to this as I saw a party for one of the bombers whenre they father was in pictures helping the kid strap on the bomb.  Clearly at some point a cousin, aunt or other will tell and the bombings will stop.  They need to use the Pershing methode of exicution and bury the bodies with pigs and take away all hopes of paradise.  The problem we have is with the tollerant who will call this extreme and rail against it, most are the same ones that will call for the death of a political leader they disagree with.
This is no longer a political event going against government policies but against a way of life.  No matter what you may want you can not and will not be able to negotiate with extremists.  How do you comprimise with a group that either wants you to be muslium or dead?  1/4 Muslium, 1/4 Dead?

[powderman]

No matter what you may want you can not and will not be able to negotiate with extremists.  How do you comprimise with a group that either wants you to be muslium or dead?  1/4 Muslium, 1/4 Dead?

 
MCCWOODDUCK. There can be no compromises or agreement with those whose religion teaches them to lie. The word of muslims is worthless. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[BUGEYE]

mcwoodduck,  your plan to stop the bombing is much better than mine.
you wouldn't have to kill many families to make it stop.

[mcwoodduck]

mcwoodduck,  your plan to stop the bombing is much better than mine.
you wouldn't have to kill many families to make it stop.

I don't know what bombings you're talking about these days, but if you're talking about the fabled suicide bombers I suppose mcwoodduck's program wouldn't work if the bombers family was already wiped out....you think!??  Now imagine living in a county where everybody has killed and tortured relatives and children, including yourself, by an illegal occupying force funded by a big blind Uncle.  I don't think that would set too well with you and any remaining friends.
 
..TM7

WOW, I don't know where to start.
So let me see if I get this right.
The Nazi Death camps never happened.
All the Palistianinas have been torchord, and all they want to do is live in peace with their neighbors but the evil Isrealis are keepingthem down.
OK enough of fanticy.
There are many Musliums that live in Isreal peacfully from Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other places from around the region and are Isreali citizens.
Iran, Hamas, Hizbola and other groups have been using the Palistinians as pawns in their hatred for Isreal.
The 67 war was about getting rid of Isreal and returning the land to the Palistinains.  Had the Palistinians become Isreali citizens in the beginning we would have a thriving Lebonon, Cyrpus would be livable and not pawns in the expansion of the new Persian/ muslium empire.
The Isrealis have built up their property and the palistinains have not.  Look at our southern Border.  The Mexican in many places still have open sewers while we have flushing toilets and waste water treatment plants.  Why are the other Arabs, rich with oil money not helping the palistinains?  Instead they use them to show how bad the isrealis treat them while Hammas and Hizbola attack Isreal from Palistinian areas. 

[billy_56081]

mcwoodduck,  your plan to stop the bombing is much better than mine.
you wouldn't have to kill many families to make it stop.

I don't know what bombings you're talking about these days, but if you're talking about the fabled suicide bombers I suppose mcwoodduck's program wouldn't work if the bombers family was already wiped out....you think!??  Now imagine living in a county where everybody has killed and tortured relatives and children, including yourself, by an illegal occupying force funded by a big blind Uncle.  I don't think that would set too well with you and any remaining friends.
 
..TM7

WOW, I don't know where to start.
So let me see if I get this right.
The Nazi Death camps never happened.
All the Palistianinas have been torchord, and all they want to do is live in peace with their neighbors but the evil Isrealis are keepingthem down.
OK enough of fanticy.
There are many Musliums that live in Isreal peacfully from Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other places from around the region and are Isreali citizens.
Iran, Hamas, Hizbola and other groups have been using the Palistinians as pawns in their hatred for Isreal.
The 67 war was about getting rid of Isreal and returning the land to the Palistinains.  Had the Palistinians become Isreali citizens in the beginning we would have a thriving Lebonon, Cyrpus would be livable and not pawns in the expansion of the new Persian/ muslium empire.
The Isrealis have built up their property and the palistinains have not.  Look at our southern Border.  The Mexican in many places still have open sewers while we have flushing toilets and waste water treatment plants.  Why are the other Arabs, rich with oil money not helping the palistinains?  Instead they use them to show how bad the isrealis treat them while Hammas and Hizbola attack Isreal from Palistinian areas. 

The hebewphobes figure if that if they tell a lie enough times somehow it will become true.  It is sad such hatred can still exhist.

[powderman]

All the Palistianinas have been torchord, and all they want to do is live in peace with their neighbors but the evil Isrealis are keepingthem down.
OK enough of fanticy.

 
HEH, you're catching on. Simple rule to follow concerning certain folks here. Always remember.
Americans, Christians, Jews, Israel ====BAD, ALL BAD.
muslims, other terrorists, and all others without God in their lives, ==GOOD.
See?? It's real simple. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

HEH, made my day, I rest my case. POWDERMAN. 

[Frank2]

TM7:

What the USA needs right now are leaders that put the USA first, second, and third. And need citizens that think the same way, too, that much is for sure, rather than zio adulators. Mr. Scheuer, whatever his motives, is pointing in that direction....

The problem with "self hating" Jews or the Jewish Left who are critical of zionism is they themselves support ethnic warfare against whites in the U.S.  Whatever they do is not governed by what is good for the U.S. as they proclaim, but what is good for the Jews. 

[billy_56081]

Yup the hebrewphobes just keep telling the same lies. I h=guess folks are just more informed today and don't fall for them.

[mcwoodduck]

Billy I asked you in post #41 to state your case, show us what you got...can you do that.? Or are we to consider this is all you got:
 
The hebewphobes figure if that if they tell a lie enough times somehow it will become true.  It is sad such hatred can still exhist.
 
 
Is that it...that all.??    Just kome kind of ad hominen ridicule emotional statement....c'mon facts and references right here and now.
 
 
MCwoodduck...you're jumping to conclusions, wildly pushing any buttons in reach...Palestinians were never invited to be citizens of isreal, in fact, if they were moslems would have a voting majority...that could never be allowed. As it is most moslems can not vote in isreal.  After all it is erzats isreal that needs constant conflict in order to expand its undefined borders, and abscond/occupy Palestinian property. Arabs and Serphardem living in isreal are second class persons and live in apartheid as well. Of course, there are many islamic leagues that support the Palestinians, and have since the beginning of the occupation--you're just not told that..many are Christian based as well. The 67 war was about stopping the nuclearization of isreal, principally to destroy Dimona nuke plant....FYI, if Iran gets attacked they have pledged to destroy Dimona once and for all. This will make Fukishima look like child's play and possiblely nmake the region uninhabitable...think about that when you send your daughters and sons off on another war for isreal.
 
But you biggest faux paux is claiming that the isrealies have built the place up while the Palestinains haven't...try building a place up when you're constantly under attack and have your property stolen...Do you watch the news?  Perhaps you noticed that desparately Turkey and other arabs have tried to get aid to the belleagured prison camp of Gaza...isrealis always thrawt or steal this aid, and have for years and years. Meanwhile, the American Taxpayer has laviously funded marxist isreal for years and years, and add to this private aid to the little marxist country...you should see there HC system. 
 
Any man calling himself a Christian needs to look into this Palstinian situation much much closer than the usual mass medai propaganda, and insist the isrealis and US governmnet with judaeo-christian support, to stop killing the descendants of Christ's family.
 
......TM7

I find it odd you tell me to watch the news and see how the Isrealis are mistreating the Palistinians.  In the news all I can see are when the Palistinians with help from Hizbola and Hammas have attacked Iseral with either gorilla attacks, katusha (un guided) rockets, Stone throwing kids, and finally with human missles packed with explosives.
I will give you that the Isreali retaliation has seemed excessive at times with air strikes and shutting of the boarders not aloowing anything in to the palistinain camps. (camps formed after the 67 war and created by Jordan and Syria and started to use them as a pawn with criminals like Abu Abas, and Yassir Arafat to act as terrorists and try to provoke the Isreali army into wiping the Palistinians off the map and driving a wedge between Isreal and the US when only the US was supporting Isreal.
No clearly you have an axe to grind with Isreal, I am guessing you have some connection to the middle east, either Family or heritage.
I understand it.  In the 80's I was for the IRA and their fighting back of the occupying British Empire.  Later I found out the IRA were not freedom fighters, but the leaders were  hard core marxists that wanted to turn Northern Ireland into another Cuba.  The goal was to make the living so bad that they Northen Irish would embrace communism to stop the violence.  The IRA purposly caused missery on thier own people.  I see the PLO, Hammas, and Hizbola the same way.  The have a goal and to provoke the population into attacking isreal. By keeping them down, giving them no future, and blaming the thriving group across the boarder.
Clearly you can tell I look at Isreal as a shinning example of what the middle east can be.  Lebonon was the same example and once the French left the Radical islomists caused all kinds of havoc killing hundreds of  thousands.  Turning what was the Paris of the middle east and turning it into rubble, driving out any one with an education, anyone artistic and trying to kill any one that did not beleive in their view of the world and their beliefs.

[powderman]

I find it odd you tell me to watch the news and see how the Isrealis are mistreating the Palistinians.  In the news all I can see are when the Palistinians with help from Hizbola and Hammas have attacked Iseral with either gorilla attacks, katusha (un guided) rockets, Stone throwing kids, and finally with human missles packed with explosives.

 
 
MCWOODDUCK. Your problem is that you, like me, watch American news, not muslim sources, which tell it all backwards. POWDERMAN.   

[billy_56081]

McWoodduck, I have heard the hebrewphobes make the asertion that these rockets the palistinians are firing on Israel are only "harmless fireworks". I would think they could at least come up with a better lie than that.

[mcwoodduck]

I find it odd you tell me to watch the news and see how the Isrealis are mistreating the Palistinians.  In the news all I can see are when the Palistinians with help from Hizbola and Hammas have attacked Iseral with either gorilla attacks, katusha (un guided) rockets, Stone throwing kids, and finally with human missles packed with explosives.

 
 
MCWOODDUCK. Your problem is that you, like me, watch American news, not muslim sources, which tell it all backwards. POWDERMAN. 

OH I understand, it is not about what I do to you, but what you do back to me that counts and how I should judge you.
I now understand why Moses and the Isrealites that left Egypt, when they hit Caanan just massacured everyone.  Clearly buying the land and moving is not working for them, well it has just the intollerant people are gining up the old neighbors.

[powderman]

BILLY. My wifes neice, her husband and children are there, they are definitely not just fireworks. POWDERMAN. 

[mcwoodduck]

Jack Bernstiens account of his time in Isreal does not follow the other people I have met that have lived there.
But I can see how living on a Kabutz, depending on the people living there and running the community.  If you travel around any country you will find differernt groups.  A kabutz by nature is a communist community and depending on who is running the community you could have racists, you could have reactionists.  When I moved to Norfolk I was not a racist.  After 4 years in the area and hveing had my truck stolen, house broken into twice, bikes stolen and on many of the corners were black people begging me for change.  The guy that stole my truck did a bunch of bad things and I was willing to testafy and two of his freinds met me with baseball bats to stop me.  I met both people that broke in.  I do not consider my self a racist but more of a reactionist based on my history.  He pled to 55 years no parole.
One of the guys I used to shoot with lived in Isreal for a while and he wet on patrol with the army a few times to hunt down PLO terrorists.  From what he saw there he too is a reactionist.
I find it hard to believe that the Isreali army, made up of citizen soldiers would attack their own citizens who too are soldiers.  While the Soviet Union would use troops from one area to attack other areas and would have no problem wiping out whole cities if it suited their purpose.  The vast areas of the Soviet Union made it possible to pit one group against each other.  Isreal is tiny.  About the size of Maryland.   People are a few people away from each other there, if they don't know the person you are talking about they know someone that knows them.
 

[billy_56081]

I'm still wondering why the hebrewphobes would have to make up a lie to promote their side od the Israel pali conflict.

[ironglow]

  TM;
   You really are a hoot !  In your post #66 you reference a place called....    biblebelievers.org  .  I read your link and wondered who sponsored such a bunch of drivel, so I   punched in    >  www.biblebelievers.org  <..so what did I get ?
   I got a cuiltists page by some a William Branham...
 
  Looking up in the corner of that page I see a nerdy looking little guy with a makeshift halo hovering over his head !     
  This was accompanied by a quote from Malachi 4:5, insinuating that this guy Branham is a PROPHET !!!  Now, does this Branham character consider himself to be Elijah..or just an EQUAL TO Elijah.  Does that mean he can "pull rank" on Jeremiah or Nehemiah ? 
       All this does prove is that he is a nut...in need of psychological help !
 
      David Koresh, Jim Jones and Elizabeth Clair Prophet all figured they only had the "real truth".        
 
   Is this where you get your theology from ?  If you are paying any attention to this Branham kook, you better instead, get involved with a REAL Bible study.
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    Here's some info on Branham from Wikipedia:
 
    "Branham regarded his series of sermons on the Seven Seals (Rev 6:1–17 and Rev 8:1) in 1963 as a highlight of his ministry. He said a cluster of seven angels met him on Sunset Mountain in Arizona to commission the opening of the Seals, which he believed was in fulfilment of a vision he had told his church several months earlier. Two men who were nearby at the time related hearing a loud noise like an explosion and seeing an unusual cloud rising into the air. Branham interpreted an unusual cloud formation resembling the head of Christ which had been photographed several days earlier over Flagstaff, Arizona, (featured in Life and Science magazines)as vindication of his experience, claiming the cloud was formed by the seven angels who met him at Sunset Mountain."
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  His fixation on the "seven seals" is understandable..I guess..  After all, David Koresh was hung up on the seven seals also.
   As far as Disneyland on the mountaintop...has he ever mentioned what he and his buddies were smoking on that day ?    

[ironglow]

  Quotes by William branham...for his "Branhamites"...     ;
 
    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/quotes.html#Branham

[BUGEYE]

wow, I was afraid God might strike me dead for just reading that stuff.

[ironglow]

   Naw Bugeye;
  God doesn't mind if you "happen into" that kind of stuff, it's only when someone starts believing and preaching that stuff..when God gets displeased.
  It's the same with any sin, almost anybody has sinful thoughts but as the old saying goes;
   
       "You can't stop birds from flying over your head...but you don't have to let them make a nest in your hair" !

[mcwoodduck]

I find your comment about Isreal being set up to live off of the American Tax payer strange as Judea / Palistine what ever you want to call it was in Englands hands in 1948 and history suggest they would have kept it as part of the common wealth.  It had been a British protectorate after the fall of the Turkish empire with the end of WWI.  They may have gone that way after independance, maybe not.  But I see the Isreali economy as a capitalist system.  Even the Kabbutz, while communist in structure brings goods and services to the general market and buys those needed goods and services from the market as a company or coperation would.  The internal structure of the company is goofy to me, but works for them.  I have no problems with a Communist company.  I have a problem with a communist government telling me what I should do, what I should make, and how I should make it.  From what I understand there are thousands of jobs for the palistinians in Isreal that would bring hard currency into palistine and raise their standard of living.  The problem is the PLO Hizbola, and Hamas and the security concerns.
Also companies do not want to have the worry of labor being locked out of the plants for security reasons.  Let's say we had a similar problem here.  Our Economy was booming and we need forgien labor.  La Raza the Mexican extremist group, Let's say they are taken over by the drug cartels and the cartels are using the mexicans working here for terrorist acts,  How fast would we cut the border and the inflow of day labor from Mexico into Az, Tx, NM, and CA if we had the cartel soldiers attack a supper market, a pizza place, or a National Guard armory?  Would you hire a day worker from Mexico if you knew he may not be able to get to work for a week or two at a time?  The problem is not the people it is the evil few that cause the problems.  The effect is the people blaming the worng peolle for the problem, instead of looking at the terrorists as terrorists and handing them over they look at them as heros for attacking the Jews. 
Though out the world we can see examples of good integration and bad.
South Africa - Good
Angola - Bad

[BUGEYE]

   Naw Bugeye;
  God doesn't mind if you "happen into" that kind of stuff, it's only when someone starts believing and preaching that stuff..when God gets displeased.
  It's the same with any sin, almost anybody has sinful thoughts but as the old saying goes;
   
       "You can't stop birds from flying over your head...but you don't have to let them make a nest in your hair" !