Author Topic: Pack Rifle Suggestions? (Read 5360 times)

Bugflipper · « **on:** November 10, 2011, 12:07:33 AM »

Guys this topic has been done before. I wanted to do a new one because no doubt there are new options out there by now. What I'm looking for is a 22lr that will take down pretty easy and fit in a pack. More specifically a get home bag setup. I want one that is reasonably priced, accurate and let's say 5 lbs or under. The lighter the better, but I can go with a 4-5 lb if the particular model is more accurate. It needs to go boom when it is called upon. I imagine most 22s have 1 screw for take down, would even consider a regular 22 that a fellow could put a thumbscrew on instead of the flathead for take down. Just looking for a game getter. Have a .40 in the bag for meaner things.
Many thanks.

STUMPJMPR · « **Reply #1 on:** November 10, 2011, 12:40:35 AM »

Henry AR-7. Marlin 70pss

Bugflipper · « **Reply #2 on:** November 10, 2011, 01:20:40 AM »

No idea they still made the papoose. The 39a is out because it is too long and heavy. Most likely ar7 and Springfield's survival rifle are also out because of accuracy. Keep them coming please.

BUGEYE · « **Reply #3 on:** November 10, 2011, 01:39:03 AM »

my cricket would work. 2.5 pounds, great trigger and plenty accurate for squirrels.

STUMPJMPR · « **Reply #4 on:** November 10, 2011, 01:53:17 AM »

Most of your pack rifles aren't going to be super accurate because of the barrel being removed. You might look at a browning 22 auto break down model. My dad had one and it shot pretty good, but they are about $600.

mdwest · « **Reply #5 on:** November 10, 2011, 02:05:08 AM »

I had an old AR7 that was an OK pack rifle.. but honestly it took up a whole lot of space.. the stock is way oversized and accuracy was only marginal.. reliability was marginal as well (I had probably 10 magazines for it.. only a couple of them were truely reliable and would shoot through the entire mag without misfeed, double feed, or some other problem..

Bugeyes idea on the cricket is where I am these days.. theyre only a single shot.. but they are super lightweight, super small, plenty accurate for squirrel and other small game, affordable, and the ones with the synthetic stocks are extremely durable and weather resistant..

Ive got a synthetic (plastic) cricket in the safe.. as well as an older wood stocked "chipmunk" (basically the same thing, only slightly different in manufacture).. they have been great little guns.. Ive trained 4 kids how to shoot on them.. shot thousands out rounds out of each of them.. and never had a problem..

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #6 on:** November 10, 2011, 05:36:53 AM »

I've got an old Steven's Crack Shot. It cost me all of $50 since it is nothing to look at. It looks liks someone beat on the right side of the receiver with a ball peen hammer to loosten it up. So I managed to clamp an old Bushnell 3/4" pistol scope on the barrel and shoot a 5/16" group at 50 yd.! No way that should happen, but it will regularly shoot under 1" at 50 yd. The scope mounting wasn't secure enough to stay on it so I epoxied a target front singt on it and a peep rear. Since it takes down, I can put it in a pack and nobody is the wiser.

Hodr · « **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:04:39 AM »

Henery repeating makes a modern AR7 survival rifle. Ordering through Davidsons, I can buy it for $250 out the door. 2.5 pounds, 8+1 rounds, 22 long rifle, everything stores in stock, low noise, water proof package, sights could be better but I can't remember missing a cotton tail under 100'. Mine is an ArmaLite circa 1962. Burns cheap 22 solid nose. May misfeed about every 800 rds. This rifle and about 300rds will weigh in at around 5 pounds. If you get one remember to check the barrell nut every once in a while.
It's cheap, it works, it's reliable.

Hodr

45-70.gov · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2011, 10:34:28 AM »

ruger charger

its already taken down and still ready to go
one of my more accurate 22s....use a rifle scope....mine is 3x9 with red-dot piggy backed
since you mentioned bug out stuff.........i have s afew 5o round mags for mine
fairly quiet with CB rounds....tho you must manually operate

Flynmoose · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2011, 06:20:29 PM »

If you want a pistol that is as accurate as most 22 rifles, find a Savage Striker in 22LR. Small and with a 2X scope will shoot as well as my Papoose.
FM

tacklebury · « **Reply #10 on:** November 11, 2011, 03:57:44 PM »

I have an original blued Papoose which will shoot 1/4" groups at 25 yards and still hold 1/2 at 50 yard scoped. With irons, I have no issues killin squirrels with it's irons either.

If I were looking for a truly versatile pack gun, I'd probably go with one of these now and get a little stock as the one linked and make it into a pistol/carbine packable.

If you don't want to take th e.45LC/.410 barrel, just leave it at home.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/955/products_id/74819
cheap stock: http://www.crosman.com/gear/custom/1399
Nice wood: http://www.crosman.com/gear/custom/2400-110
Another: http://www.rbgrips.net/stocks.html

A take down Stevens Favorite would be awesome too and those are tack drivers, or at least mine is.

The take down version might work quite well.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/62_975/products_id/78420

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #11 on:** November 11, 2011, 04:10:08 PM »

Ruger 10/22 and a screw driver. You can drill a hole in the stock to hold the screw driver or rout out a place in the off side of the stock and put a simple latch on it to keep it in place.
You can cut down the front end of the stock to fit in your pack and put some electrical tape on the bolt stop and trigger assembly push pins.
Good reliable auto loader pre loaded mags and large capacity mags available.
The folding sights are rugged and accurate.
Easy to mount a sling system
OH they also make side folding wire stocks that make the rifle abotu 22" with the stock folded. Snap crack and load.

mechanic · « **Reply #12 on:** November 11, 2011, 04:36:55 PM »

Marlin Papoose. I've got one of the first, hundreds of rounds with no malfunctions, and plenty accurate.

Ben

Bugflipper · « **Reply #13 on:** November 12, 2011, 02:06:51 AM »

Funny thing you mentioned the 10-22. They used to make a stock(maybe ramline) that would fold down in the front. It held the v block somehow and the barrel was a quick on off. Didn't sound very sturdy so I never got one. Some years later folks rave about how good they are. Of coarse there are none to be found since they haven't made them in quite a while. Every now and again I search on rimfire central and the gun selling sights but haven't seen one yet.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #14 on:** November 12, 2011, 03:31:33 AM »

My mind went to a Beretta Neos carbine. They do show them on the web with a "sold out". They have been Vaporware from the beginning of time so who knows. The photo shows a pack with nothing longer than the barrel. You would need the pistol though to get one up and running. Along the same line of thought is the Buckmark carbine, and I have zero experience with how they would take down.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #15 on:** November 12, 2011, 04:38:16 AM »

when someone said the Neos it made me think of the Buck mark carbine and the Mauser 96.
The stock on the Buck Mark carbine is fixed but I wounder if a Buck mark pistol with the rifle barrel can be modified to take a mauser 96 or luger dis connect stock. The mauser has a groove in it that the stock snaps into. But the Luger stock has a small rail system that mounts on the back for the strap and can me made and attached easier than cutting a slit in the back strap whenre a spring assembly is.
There are reproduction 96 and Maurse stocks available
The gun will work right out of the bag no assembly, and a companion Buck mark handgun can be had as well to share mags and ammo.
Notice I am real good at spending about a Grand or more of your money on the two guns the parts and the gun smith work.
another option is getting the target barrel pistol and doing hte above and get a tax stamp for hte short barreled rifle.
Last option is a ruger challanger pistol and making a stock and an attachment and the tax stamp or sticking it in a floding stock.

teamnelson · « **Reply #16 on:** November 12, 2011, 05:35:13 AM »

SS Contender w/16.25" barrel, synthetic furniture, fire sights.
TC Hotshot, has a 19" barrel and peep sights.
Rossi .22 Singleshot.
Marlin 39 Mountie breaks down shorter barrel.
Taurus 62 pump - slam fire .22 breaks down
Taurus 63 semi - similar to Winchester or Browning models, breaks down, loads through stock.

.22 in a BOB is for hunting, probably not defense, so one accurate shot is preferred to high capacity rapid fire to my thinking. No optics, iron sights only - it's in a pack, scope will lose zero in those conditions. If your relying on your pack rifle, you're probably hungry and hunting different as in stalking and moving as close as possible to ensure a good shot ... maybe 50 yds or less for me. At that point a long barreled pistol gets attractive for me as I've shot smallbore silhouette with a pistol and it's very doable, and you don't have to break it down.

bluedog6 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 13, 2011, 04:41:37 AM »

The Marlin 39-A is made in several short, takedown configurations that would work well. I know the Mountie comes in a short version and there are several more.

blaze · « **Reply #18 on:** November 16, 2011, 07:04:40 AM »

MY WOODS WALKING/CAMPING RIFLE IS SIMPLY AN OLDER MARLIN 70P PAPOOSE. CAN BE FIRED ONE HANDED (7+ SHOTS) IN AN EMERGENCY. HAS A BOLT HOLD OPEN FEATURE (ALL SEMI AUTO GUNS SHOULD HAVE THIS FEATURE). IS QUITE ACCURATE WITH THE OPEN SIGHTS TO 35 YARDS OR SO (SCOPES ADD WEIGHT AND BULK AND ARE EASILY DAMAGED). MY PAPOOSE WEIGHS 64 OZS EVEN AND WITH A SECOND SLELETONIZED WOODEN STOCK IT WEIGHS 55 OZS EVEN. THATS ABOUT THE SAME (OR LESS) THAN A SCOPED RIMFIRE HANDGUN WHICH IN MY HANDS IS NOT AS ACCURATE. IF THE GUN IS IN IT'S ORIGINAL CASE IT WILL FLOAT (I DON'T USE THE CASE). THE PAPOOSE IS LEGAL TO CARRY WHERE HANDGUNS ARE NOT IN SOME AREAS. AND ALTHOUGH THE WOOD/BLUE PAPOOSE HAS NOT BEEN AVAILABLE FOR SOME YEARS THEY ARE AVAILABLE ON THE GUN AUCTION SITES ( THREE ON GB RIGHT NOW STARTING AT $159.00). I HAVE BOUGHT SEVERAL IN THE $125-$140.00 RANGE WITH CASE AND ACCESSORIES. A GREAT TAKE-A-LONG CAMPANION. JUST MY OPINION.

mechanic · « **Reply #19 on:** November 16, 2011, 10:25:54 AM »

Quote from: blaze on November 16, 2011, 07:04:40 AM

MY WOODS WALKING/CAMPING RIFLE IS SIMPLY AN OLDER MARLIN 70P PAPOOSE. CAN BE FIRED ONE HANDED (7+ SHOTS) IN AN EMERGENCY. HAS A BOLT HOLD OPEN FEATURE (ALL SEMI AUTO GUNS SHOULD HAVE THIS FEATURE). IS QUITE ACCURATE WITH THE OPEN SIGHTS TO 35 YARDS OR SO (SCOPES ADD WEIGHT AND BULK AND ARE EASILY DAMAGED). MY PAPOOSE WEIGHS 64 OZS EVEN AND WITH A SECOND SLELETONIZED WOODEN STOCK IT WEIGHS 55 OZS EVEN. THATS ABOUT THE SAME (OR LESS) THAN A SCOPED RIMFIRE HANDGUN WHICH IN MY HANDS IS NOT AS ACCURATE. IF THE GUN IS IN IT'S ORIGINAL CASE IT WILL FLOAT (I DON'T USE THE CASE). THE PAPOOSE IS LEGAL TO CARRY WHERE HANDGUNS ARE NOT IN SOME AREAS. AND ALTHOUGH THE WOOD/BLUE PAPOOSE HAS NOT BEEN AVAILABLE FOR SOME YEARS THEY ARE AVAILABLE ON THE GUN AUCTION SITES ( THREE ON GB RIGHT NOW STARTING AT $159.00). I HAVE BOUGHT SEVERAL IN THE $125-$140.00 RANGE WITH CASE AND ACCESSORIES. A GREAT TAKE-A-LONG CAMPANION. JUST MY OPINION.

I even have a couple 20 rd. mags. for mine that I bought many years ago. One of my favorite little guns.

Ben

woodchukhntr · « **Reply #20 on:** November 16, 2011, 10:37:16 AM »

I hadn't thought about the Papoose in some time. They are great guns within their limits. While shooting in a 100 meter summer rifle league aboout 10 years one guy brought a scoped Papoose. When everything came together he could keep most of the shots in the scoring rings. He bought something more accurate the next year.

Bugflipper · « **Reply #21 on:** November 20, 2011, 09:48:21 AM »

Still kicking around the idea. Found a couple of 10-22 options.
http://bullpup22.50megs.com/custom2.html This one is a bullpup, looks like it may be compact enough.
http://www.agparms.com/categories/10%7B47%7D22/ This one has a barrel that screws on and off, kind of like an uzi. The fellow said he would have order info in a few days up on no forearm and just a nut to screw on. So kind of like an ar7 or papoose. Leaning towards that and making a paracord handguard.
http://www.fedtacticaldirect.com/ProMag-Archangel-Mar25rdConv-Stk-1022-AAM1022_p_35050.html A dress up stock that folds.
http://www.atigunstocks.com/p-107-ruger-1022-six-position-side-folding-stock.aspx
https://secure.RifleStock.com/catalog_page_detail.cfm?recordno=4&Product_CatalogID=2705&ProductNumber=07%2D01%2D04&ProductCode=1&ProductSubCodeID=252&NewProduct=0# A couple of side folders that look like they would be sturdier than those wire folders.

I'm not really into the tactical look for a 22. But these are looking like they would fit the bill. All the reading I have done on the ar7 is claiming it to be inaccurate and a jamomatic. The papoose get's more favorable reviews. But the youtube target groups don't look very good. I have a few 10-22 setting idle and enough upgrade parts to make one a shooter. May wait until after the holidays just in case there are more options.
Thanks for the input.

Flynmoose · « **Reply #22 on:** November 20, 2011, 03:05:39 PM »

I have a 10-22 in a bullpup stock. It is short and handy but the trigger is junk. The original trigger is actuated by a linkage, leaving much to be desired. I also have an AR7, built by Henry. For what it is, a survival rifle, it works well.
FM

Ladobe · « **Reply #23 on:** November 21, 2011, 06:52:04 AM »

Reliability, accuracy, portability, weight and cost all suggests a TC Contender 16" carbine to me with synthetic furniture as the best for the first three and acceptable for the last two of the five.

But there are a lot of other options. Anything longer may have portability issues, some accuracy issues. Platform is a consideration. Reliability in harsh conditions should be high on the list. So IMO a single shot break/falling block or bolt action is the way to go and they would both get a higher consideration than a pump, and a way higher consideration than a semi auto.

Without breaking the bank...
TC Contender Carbine
Stevens Favorite series
TC Hot Shot Rifle
Handi rifle
Rossi copy of Winchester Model 62
Taurus copy or Winchester Model 62
Marlin Papoose

More money...
Winchester 1890, 1906, 62
Anschutz Woodchucker
Browning Semi Auto Grade 1
Anschutz Exemplar

I have a "thing" about 10/22's, so they don't even make my list of suggestions.

FWIW-YMMV

L.

351 power · « **Reply #24 on:** November 22, 2011, 12:10:00 AM »

the h&r sportster is a 1 screw assembly so easy to pack away.

wyohandi · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:11:33 AM »

I got one of the Rossi matched pairs 22/20ga. Not sure if its perfect or not yet haven't had it too long.
Pros decent fiber optic sights (plastic don't know about durable) plenty accurate
2" or less at 50yds w/open sights, BIG empty hollow synthetic stock (mine has a small fishing kit
and fire making stuff, extra rds in it) CHEAP $169 for the set. Two usable guns with proper ammo
selection nothing is off the menu. Captured take-down screw.
Cons single shot (depending on need)
Weighs 9lbs with both barrels, some ammo for each and extras.
Like I said maybe not perfect but I think it will work for me.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 05, 2012, 04:32:16 PM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on November 10, 2011, 01:39:03 AM

my cricket would work. 2.5 pounds, great trigger and plenty accurate for squirrels.

+1 on the cricket

Duke0313 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 21, 2012, 12:18:21 AM »

The Henry Survival breaks down and everything fits into the water proof butt-stock. It's not the perfect gun but it's a space saver and a good choice for a bug-out bag.

lakota · « **Reply #28 on:** February 29, 2012, 06:47:31 AM »

Quote from: Bugflipper on November 20, 2011, 09:48:21 AM

All the reading I have done on the ar7 is claiming it to be inaccurate and a jamomatic.
Thanks for the input.

I think the AR7 gets its bad rap from the Charter Arms days. I did some reading and saw somwhere that when Henry bought the rights to the AR7 they did some redesign of the magazine. Thats when I decided to buy one. My Henry version is finicky about ammo. It prefers copper washed ammo. It does not like plain lead bullet ammo. In fact the ammo it shoots best is Federal bulk copper washed ammo from Wally World. It does not jam and it is a decent little rifle for its intended purpose. I can keep 1/4" groups out to 50 yards. Thats pretty good for a survival rifle IMHO. The rear sight has two sizes of apperatures so you can use the one that best suits your vision. The trigger is creepy but it works. One problem I did have with misfires was solved by a quick cleaning. After extended fire crud builds up on the breech of the barrel. Eventually enough builds up to prevent the bolt from seating and ligh primer strikes result but a quick wipe of the breech and its back in the game.

jpshaw · « **Reply #29 on:** March 13, 2012, 01:13:57 PM »

Quote from: BUGEYE on November 10, 2011, 01:39:03 AM

my cricket would work. 2.5 pounds, great trigger and plenty accurate for squirrels.

+2 on the Cricket. It has one of the shortest "action lengths" meaning OAL minus barrel length. No wasted space on this little rifle.