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The Smoking Penta-Gun
« on: November 12, 2011, 12:34:42 PM »
I recently posted the “More Booming WTC 7 Questions” thread. The post has 6 videos of things I would call smoking guns involving WTC 7. I think it was too much information for one post. With this one I will start with one short video and a few pictures and add to the thread later. I want to start focusing on how a great big plane went through that little hole.


More Booming WTC 7 Questions
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,244543.0.html


Everybody has seen this image of the Pentagon and thought it was easy for a plane to go through the hole. But what really happened that day? Was it really a 757 that caused this damage, or was it something else?

 

 
When a major terrorist attack (or any other major event) happens, pay close attention to the first news reports. See how they change within hours. Watch this first report from the Pentagon. Later (after being threatened) he changes his story.




So, no evidence of a plane crash. What did he see when he got there? Here it is, the Smoking Pentagon. I challenge you to find a hole big enough to fit a Boeing 757 through. I will give you a hint. It is right above those cable spools.
 
 
 
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2011, 03:27:08 AM »
I am constantly amazed that the "truthers" can post everything up to and including an obviously doctored video and that material is either found as "insightful" or is an example of false info put forth by the other side to discredit the "truthers".
 
I have posted pages and pages of information on this and it is always called "junk science" or "disinfo".
 
Frankly I don't know why I try but, I watched the video and read the info, and I found nothing more than the usual "he said she said" second hand and patently false assumptions i see in most of this stuff.
 
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2011, 10:33:01 AM »
Even when being condescending you can't get the quote from Rummy correct. But hey who cares about little things like accurately quoting someone when you are trying to make a point. Especially when miss quoting works so well for the "truthers".
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2011, 11:55:26 AM »
everyone saw the original picture with the hole in the wall.  I explained in an earlier post exactly how the airplane went through a 2ft thick reinforced concrete wall.  of course I know airplanes but that's not good enough for folks into fairy tales.  also the blurry photo there definitly shows a 757 and there are many pictures of the debris field that the 757 left in its wake.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 12:37:18 PM »
  The government supporters were pretty silent on the Booming WTC 7 thread. That is one of the reasons I decided to start this one a little slower. On this thread all I see is avoiding the question. Where is that big gaping hole that swallowed the 757?


The first picture has a little bit too much smoke. I waited for this picture because it just gives it away. So here it is, that big gaping hole that swallowed a Boeing 757.

 

 
 
Here is a closeup. How did the plane go though that hole and not break the windows?
 

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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2011, 02:31:00 AM »
I believe I posted some info from this site. I can't find it so I am reposting the link.
 
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2011, 03:38:20 AM »
I believe I posted some info from this site. I can't find it so I am reposting the link.
 
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
this is one of the best explanations of what actually happened on 9/11.  but it's only one of many.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2011, 06:14:50 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D  Just out of curiosity.....how many different ways are there for an airliner to enter a building?
 
Actually the engines, lawn and cable spools are mentioned in the linked article. You must have missed it when you were reading.
 
To first have some knowledge of why they were "fortifying the wedge" I would have to believe that they had indeed fortified the wedge. I don't and I don't.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2011, 06:23:49 AM »
Could be the people who advised Osama when he was planning these attacks already knew the following. Maybe that is why they flew past the power plants.
 
 
  Nuclear Energy Institute FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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  Analysis of Nuclear Power Plants Shows Aircraft Crash Would Not Breach Structures Housing Reactor Fuel WASHINGTON—Structures that house reactor fuel at U.S. nuclear power plants would protect against a release of radiation even if struck by a large commercial jetliner, according to analyses conducted over the past several months by the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI).

The independent analyses were conducted at the request of the Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI).

State-of-the-art computer modeling techniques determined that typical nuclear plant containment structures, used fuel storage pools, fuel storage containers, and used fuel transportation containers at U.S. nuclear power plants would withstand these impact forces despite some concrete crushing and bent steel.

The computer analyses, which cost more than $1 million, are summarized in a report entitled, “Deterring Terrorism: Aircraft Crash Impact Analyses Demonstrate Nuclear Power Plant’s Structural Strength.” A summary of the study’s findings is accessible on NEI’s web site at http://www.nei.org.

“The results of this study validate the industry’s confidence that nuclear power plants are robust and protect the fuel from impacts of a large commercial aircraft,” said Joe F. Colvin, NEI’s president and chief executive officer. “Clearly an impact of this magnitude would do great damage to a plant’s ability to generate electricity. But the findings show, far more importantly, that public health and safety would be protected.”

The study was performed for EPRI by ABS Consulting’s Irvine, Calif., office and by San Diego-based ANATECH. It was peer reviewed and critiqued as the computer modeling was being done by internationally recognized experts with decades of experience in structural analysis.

The analysis used several criteria that increased the severity of the crash scenario. Most notable was the assumption that a large aircraft traveling low to the ground at speeds similar to the estimated speed of the jetliner that struck the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, precisely executes a hit that transfers the full impact of the crash to the structure being struck. Separate analyses assumed direct hits by both the aircraft’s fuselage and a 9,500-pound engine. This size engine is typical of the majority of aircraft currently in service; it would envelop engines on 767-400s, 757-300s, 747-400s, 737-800s, DC 10-30s, MD11s, A320-200s, A330-200s and L1011-500s.

The analysis also increased severity by assuming that a Boeing 767-400 would strike at its maximum takeoff weight (450,000 pounds) even though fuel would be consumed both in takeoff and en route to any power plant site.

The nuclear energy industry is confident in the robustness of nuclear plant structures that house reactor fuel to withstand aircraft impacts, even though they were not specifically designed for such impacts.

“This confidence is predicated on the fact that nuclear plant structures have thick concrete walls with heavy reinforcing steel and are designed to withstand large earthquakes, extreme overpressures and hurricane force winds,” the report states.

EPRI served as the technical lead on the study to test the bases for industry confidence in power plant structural strength against aircraft crash impacts. EPRI was founded in 1973 as a non-profit energy research consortium. Its mission is to provide science and technology-based solutions to global energy customers through scientific research, technology development, and product implementation.

The Boeing 767-400 was used for the analysis for several reasons. For example, Boeing aircraft account for almost two-thirds of the commercial aircraft registered in the United States. The Boeing 767 series is the most widely used “wide body” aircraft in the U.S. commercial fleet—with more planes than the 747 and 777 combined—and the 767-400 envelops 88 percent of all commercial flights in the United States employing Boeing aircraft.

Nuclear plant structures are considerably smaller than the World Trade Center towers and the Pentagon, making it physically impossible for both engines and the fuselage of the plane to transfer the full force of impact to the containment building or other facilities analyzed.

The assumed speed of the aircraft used in the study is 350 miles per hour—approximately the speed at which the aircraft struck the Pentagon, based on reported flight recorder data and analysis of security camera video that captured the impact. Experienced pilots say this is a realistic speed to apply in a scenario where the pilot of a large jetliner wishes to maintain flight maneuverability close to the ground and execute a precise hit.

Although full analytical details will not be released to the public for security reasons, NEI announced the following general results:

 
  • For the models representing all types of U.S. containment buildings, no parts of the engine, the fuselage, the wings or the jet fuel entered the containment buildings. The containment structure was not breached, despite some crushing and spalling (chipping of material at the impact point) of the concrete.
  • Evaluation of the models representing both types of used fuel pools determined that the stainless steel pool liner ensures there would be no loss of pool cooling water even though some crushing and cracking of the concrete occurred at the point of impact. Because the used fuel pools were not breached, there would be no release of radioactivity to the environment.
  • For the analyzed dry fuel storage facilities, the steel canister containing the used fuel assemblies was not breached. Because the dry storage structure was not breached, there would be no release of radioactivity to the environment.
  • For the analyzed used fuel transportation container, the container was not breached, so there would be no release of radioactivity to the environment.
Representative structures were analyzed because U.S. nuclear power plant construction varies from site to site.

See Deterring Terrorism: Aircraft Crash Impact Analyses Demonstrate Nuclear Power Plant's Structural Strength (EPRI Study)

 
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2011, 03:38:47 PM »
I believe I posted some info from this site. I can't find it so I am reposting the link.
 
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
this is one of the best explanations of what actually happened on 9/11.  but it's only one of many.

 


Well that explains a lot. Above Top Secrete? We post evidence of dangerous government conspiracies and you guy come up with aliens, bigfoot and chupacabras. I always wondered where you guys got that stuff from. Then there is the copy and paste pages and pages of information without naming the source.


Were you copying and pasting all those pages, without naming a source, so we wouldn't find your source of aliens, bigfoot and chupacabras?


Aliens
The Aliens Who Made The Pyramids Will Return In 2012
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread104094/pg1


 London Olympics 2012 : Zion : Alien Agenda!! http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread356226/pg1


Cats are Alien Camcorders!
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread767083/pg1


That one about the cats is real scary. I thought all those stray cats in my yard were looking for rodents. I never knew they were alien spies. I see they spend a lot of time watching my chickens. Are the chickens aliens too? Now I will have nightmares about alien spy cats peeking in my windows.


Bigfoot


Bigfoot Viewed in its Shelter?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread746624/pg1


Bigfoot video Excited family see bigfoot Georgia
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread758683/pg1


Chupacabras


Chupacabras? Could this be a reptilian gone wild?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread196037/pg1




Chicken deaths near Horizon City spark talk of Chupacabras
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread535196/pg1


I sure hope those alien cat spys aren’t spying on my chickens for alien chupacabras.


Now that I know what Bugeye considers a reputable source, I'll be more careful in the future. I sure wouldn't want to post things from unrepeatable sources like BBC again.
 
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2011, 01:31:22 AM »
Lost, you seemed to have lost your mind.  what does bigfoot or aliens have to do with what happened on 9/11.
your last post was the wildest thing I've ever seen. :o
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2011, 02:25:34 AM »
Lostfarmboy,
 
Just wanted to respond to a few of your comments.
 
 
"Well that explains a lot. Above Top Secrete? We post evidence of dangerous government conspiracies and you guy come up with aliens, bigfoot and chupacabras. I always wondered where you guys got that stuff from. Then there is the copy and paste pages and pages of information without naming the source." First let me respond by saying I posted that link not Bugeye. Get your facts straight. Second I found that particular piece by following a link from one of the "truther" webbsites as I was  researching some of the info posted by TM7. I also notice that while you did post some of the links available on that webbsite about aliens, bigfoot and chupacabras you did not post any of the links to threads which support your version of 9/11 available on that webbsite. Hmmmm wonder why? Evidence? It is quite apparent to me you have a very different idea as to the definition of "evidence". I have posted info from MIT, NIST, Purdue University as well as info from an aeronautical engineering webbsite. I have also posted what I hoped would be found as humorous post about a tin foil beanie and my "agent 86" thread.[/b]
"Were you copying and pasting all those pages, without naming a source, so we wouldn't find your source of aliens, bigfoot and chupacabras?"
Zing......NOT. I have never posted anything about aliens, bigfoot or chupacabras although I do find most of the material available on those three subjects at least as interesting as say trying to learn about the "illuminati". [/b]
 

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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2011, 07:55:44 AM »
TM7,
 
I agree. I was just pointing out that LFB's choosing to post the links concerning bigfoot (actually read that one and found it entertaining), aliens and the chupacabra, to ridicule myself and Bugeye, and then not posting any of the many threads that fall in line with his theories concerning 9/11 a bit disingenuous.
 
I did read the thread you linked. Found it to be little more than a condensed version of all the stuff that is already floating around. I did find the comments at the bottom of each piece entertaining. I thought our repartee was amusing. They apparently do not have some of the same forum rules we do.
 
As to post #13 I have been trying to find a video I saw years ago where the NRC actually crashed an airliner into a concrete structure to prove how safe the nuke plants are and if I find it I will post it. I live within 3 miles as the crow flies from a nuke plant so I have some interest in the subject. I have actually been inside the containment vessel at that particular plant and it has an inner and outer concrete walls that are incredibly thick. I beleive the subject deserves some thought.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2011, 08:43:56 AM »
Lost, you seemed to have lost your mind.  what does bigfoot or aliens have to do with what happened on 9/11.
your last post was the wildest thing I've ever seen. :o
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Errrr, umm Bug,,,I know you don' like me responding to your posts; But Farmboy did a Ironglowism.....he trashed the website that Kinslayer cited in defense of the official theory a plane was sucked into the pentacon...abovetopsecret.com has some pretty wild stuff on there you have to admit...that's why they probably posted their pentacon-plane article... ;) ;) ;) .... 8)
 
...TM7
the article in the link said virtually the same that I've always said.  I know commercial aircraft and I'm not into fairy tales.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2011, 08:51:47 AM »
TM7,
 
It is clear that there are many areas that we will have to politely disagree. I have a bit higher opinion of the Nuclear Power Industry. I agree that spent fuel storage has been an issue in the past but NEA has put into place in our region a cask storage system that encapsulates each individual fuel cell and then it goes into a poured in place concrete structure. I feel it is quite safe.
 
I also believe we will have to continue to disagree as to whether the towers were essentially condemned. The occupancy level at the time of the attacks does not lead me to believe they were condemned.
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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2011, 12:22:34 PM »
Lost, you seemed to have lost your mind.  what does bigfoot or aliens have to do with what happened on 9/11.
your last post was the wildest thing I've ever seen. :o

 
I don't know what bigfoot had to do with it. Ask Billy. If you search these 911 threads you will find direct quotes,”bigfoot did it”. A lot of chupacabras and alien hints too.
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2011, 01:35:03 PM »
Lost, you seemed to have lost your mind.  what does bigfoot or aliens have to do with what happened on 9/11.
your last post was the wildest thing I've ever seen. :o

 
I don't know what bigfoot had to do with it. Ask Billy. If you search these 911 threads you will find direct quotes,”bigfoot did it”. A lot of chupacabras and alien hints too.
I've never said it so you have apparently lost your mind. which explains some of your beliefs.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2011, 01:53:20 PM »
Kinslayer
 
The quote I posted on was Bugeye's, he quoted yours. When I posted videos on the booming WTC 7 Bugeye stated the he used,”creditable outlets”. One video was a BBC video. So by quoting your Above Top Secret post, Bugeye is saying BBC is not a creditable outlet but above top secret is.


The most common tactic from your side is to discredit the source, not confront the evidence. It happens almost every time I or TM7 posts anything. You posted a link to the most discreditable site on the internet. In my effort to discredit the site I exaggerated a bit to make a point. My point is to let each piece of evidence stand on it's own regardless of source.



Tactic 2 is to crack jokes about aliens, bigfoot and chupacabras. That website is full of that stuff.


Your MO is to post pages of information without disclosing the source. You admitted copying and posting from ATS without naming it before. I was just joking that you might of not named the source in the past to protect the alien, bigfoot and chupacabra sources. I check out evidence and facts. I know that few from your side do. Why check evidence when you can just discredit the source?


About the article on the Above Top Secrete site. I have problems with some of the evidence presented. I will address them in the future of this thread.


The myhostedpics site starts working again I will continue to build my case. Then maybe the site will not return to service and I may have to start over. And I am kinda waiting for the constant reoccurring question.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2011, 02:35:35 PM »
I clicked on that link and read the article which said what I've been saying all along.
that was my first time at that site and I had no idea what they normally post.
Please figure out a better way to word your opinion. Heather
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2011, 02:17:40 AM »
Kinslayer
 
The quote I posted on was Bugeye's, he quoted yours. When I posted videos on the booming WTC 7 Bugeye stated the he used,”creditable outlets”. One video was a BBC video. So by quoting your Above Top Secret post, Bugeye is saying BBC is not a creditable outlet but above top secret is.


The most common tactic from your side is to discredit the source, not confront the evidence. And just what would you call it when the terms "disinfo" and "goverment coverup site" or "junk science" is used by your side of the debate?It happens almost every time I or TM7 posts anything. You posted a link to the most discreditable site on the internet.
Just out of curiosity would that "discreditable" description include the many threads that support your side of the debate included on that site?In my effort to discredit the site I exaggerated a bit to make a point. My point is to let each piece of evidence stand on it's own regardless of source. Then why the "discreditable" comment above? Or is your side the only side allowed to comment on info posted? So in the future, just so I will know, when you post info it is to be read and that is it? No responding is necessary?


Tactic 2 is to crack jokes about aliens, bigfoot and chupacabras. That website is full of that stuff. Other than in response to your earlier post I do not believe I have ever mentioned aliens, bigfoot or chupacabras.


Your MO is to post pages of information without disclosing the source. Hmmm I am trying to reconcile that comment with your line from above "My point is to let each piece of evidence stand on it's own regardless of source". You see where I am confused here. You seem to be condemning a couse of action when it comes from others yet from you it appears to be ok. You admitted copying and posting from ATS without naming it before. I was just joking that you might of not named the source in the past to protect the alien, bigfoot and chupacabra sources. I check out evidence and facts. I know that few from your side do. Why check evidence when you can just discredit the source? You seem to have no problem with that when you said "the most disceditable site on the internet". You seem to be confused as to what your actuall message is or what you want it to be I should say. Either way you have no idea what my MO is.


About the article on the Above Top Secrete site. I have problems with some of the evidence presented. I will address them in the future of this thread.


The myhostedpics site starts working again I will continue to build my case. Then maybe the site will not return to service and I may have to start over. And I am kinda waiting for the constant reoccurring question.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2011, 12:24:41 PM »
  The my hosted pics site has been down for 2 days now. So I reposted the pictures using photobucket.




Copyed from the Popular Mechanics web site.


FACT:When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.


I wanted to figure out what size the hole really was. It does not look like 75 feet to me. They figure 75 feet by examining the destroyed or damaged support columns. The hole was the width of 2 windows. It is hard to find the width of the windows, maybe that is classified. One source says about 4 feet wide, another says about 5' X 7'. That makes the hole about 12 to 16 feet wide. There is a flaw in there method to come up with 75 feet. The flaw was confirmed by a computer simulation. I find Popular Mechanics and their computer simulation unreliable.


What did damage those columns? Did the plane explode inside? Was there bombs inside. Or was it the missile video taped hitting the pentagon?


One interesting thing I found looking for the window size. Ground breaking for the pentagon was 9/11/1941. Papa Bush announced the New World Order on 9/11/1991. Terrorist hit the pentagon on /11/2001. The government says 9/11 has a special meaning for the terrorist ,that is why they hit the WTC and pentagon on 9/11. I am starting to believe them.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2011, 03:45:42 AM »
LFB,
 
Following quotation from LFB
 
"There is a flaw in there method to come up with 75 feet. The flaw was confirmed by a computer simulation. I find Popular Mechanics and their computer simulation unreliable."
 
You wouldn't be interested in posting a link to the computer simulation, or evidence that one existed, exposing the flaw? Your belief in their unreliablity is it based upon this one instance or are you aware of a pattern of flawed information from them? If so I am sure you have some kind of evidence backing up your assertion.
 
 
Here is a link to some simulations that havent been discredited. I am assuming you will post the link verifying your above statement.
 
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/phase1/
 
Another quote from LFB
 
"One interesting thing I found looking for the window size. Ground breaking for the pentagon was 9/11/1941. Papa Bush announced the New World Order on 9/11/1991. Terrorist hit the pentagon on /11/2001. The government says 9/11 has a special meaning for the terrorist ,that is why they hit the WTC and pentagon on 9/11. I am starting to believe them."
 
Out of curiosity what part are you staring to believe? That terrorist attacked us on 9/11? That they (the terrorist) have some reverence for the date? That something happened on 9/11/2011? That Papa Bush helped plan 9/11? Does the dates indicate a pattern in the timeframe?
 
I believe that since the elapsed time between the three dates are of different durations would you not need at least one more date to have a pattern? If we assume that 9/11/2011 was the missing date (not sure what momentous event occured but I am sure one happened somewhere) then either on 9/11/2021 or on 9/11/2061 (depending on which pattern you believe) something momentous is going to occur.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2011, 10:58:51 AM »
LFB,
 
Following quotation from LFB
 
"There is a flaw in there method to come up with 75 feet. The flaw was confirmed by a computer simulation. I find Popular Mechanics and their computer simulation unreliable."
 
You wouldn't be interested in posting a link to the computer simulation, or evidence that one existed, exposing the flaw? Your belief in their unreliablity is it based upon this one instance or are you aware of a pattern of flawed information from them? If so I am sure you have some kind of evidence backing up your assertion.
 

 
The flaw is exposed by the answer. Popular Mechanics examined the damage to the columns and estimated the size of the hole from the plane to be 75 feet. They confirmed the 75 feet with a computer simulation. The picture of the hole is 12 to 16 feet wide depending on the size of the windows. I posted the quote FACT: … and the source, Popular Mechanics web site. No need to rerun the simulation myself.


Copyed from the Popular Mechanics web site.


FACT:
When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2011, 12:44:39 PM »
 
Another quote from LFB
 
"One interesting thing I found looking for the window size. Ground breaking for the pentagon was 9/11/1941. Papa Bush announced the New World Order on 9/11/1991. Terrorist hit the pentagon on /11/2001. The government says 9/11 has a special meaning for the terrorist ,that is why they hit the WTC and pentagon on 9/11. I am starting to believe them."
 
Out of curiosity what part are you staring to believe?  That terrorist attacked us on 9/11?
Yes,I believe terrorist attacked us on 911. The real question is the true identity of the terrorist? 
That they (the terrorist) have some reverence for the date?
Yes, again true identity of the terrorist? 
That something happened on 9/11/2011? If something monumental did happen, I missed it. 
That Papa Bush helped plan 9/11?He was in the white house “visiting” that day. He has a long history with Don and Dick. I don't think Jr. really knew what was going on. He really didn't need to know. Just follow orders after the fact like any good bones men. 
Does the dates indicate a pattern in the timeframe?
I think it's the numbers not the time.

 
I believe that since the elapsed time between the three dates are of different durations would you not need at least one more date to have a pattern? If we assume that 9/11/2011 was the missing date (not sure what momentous event occured but I am sure one happened somewhere) then either on 9/11/2021 or on 9/11/2061 (depending on which pattern you believe) something momentous is going to occur.
 
When I went to school it was 3 that set a pattern not 4, 1-2-3, 1-3-5, 2-4-6, 10-20-30, etc... I consider 9/11/xxx1, 9/11/xxx1 and 9/11/xxx1 enough to show a pattern. There could be a secondary pattern that could be found by a fourth date.


 
If I were to look for a fourth date I would look back in time to grandpa bush (Prescott). 911 was not the first time the bush family tried to overthrow the US government and put us under a fascist dictator. Prescott along with the Remington, DuPont, JP Morgan and a few other banking families plotted to overthrow the US government with a military coup and side with Hitler in the upcoming war they were financing. The general they recruited to head the coup reported them to congress. The hearings are part of the Congressional record. (no kinslayer, I will not look them up for you. If you want the congressional records find them yourself) After WWII some of Prescott banking assets were confiscated for supporting Hitler. There may have been a 9/11/xxx1 date in there somewhere, but with the plot stopped it might be hard to find.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2011, 07:55:07 AM »
LFB,
"good bones men"........well that explains many things.
Good day.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2011, 11:43:35 AM »
LFB,
"good bones men"........well that explains many things.
Good day.
CR

 
Yes it does.
 
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,245467.0.html
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2011, 12:24:42 PM »
And it still does not explain why my cousin and thousands of others witnessed the plane going in to the Pentagon.
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Re: The Smoking Penta-Gun
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2011, 03:51:01 PM »
And it still does not explain why my cousin and thousands of others witnessed the plane going in to the Pentagon.

 
Billy it wasn't thousands of people that saw a low flying plane going toward the pentagon. It may not even be hundreds.


Here is a picture of the pentagon. Notice the river in the background.





Here is another angle. What is that arrow pointing at? Is that a runway? Is it an airport? How hard would it be to fly over the pentagon and land on that runway?




This is the official fight path of American airlines flt77. Can you tell me where on the flight path your cousin was when he saw the plane? It really doesn't matter. If it flew over the pentagon and landed at the airport, there was no way he could have seen it pull up.





Have you heard about that wild maneuver? That was it. Past the pentagon over the airport. Around to the other side of the pentagon and slammed into the accounting offices. Or was that over the pentagon and back to the airport?


Now if you were an Muslim terrorist on a suicide mission, your flying a plane, your target is the pentagon, you see the pentagon, would you hit it or fly around to the other side? Would you fly over an airport with your transponder off and risk hitting another plane? If you hit another plane, you failed your mission. The Muslim would hit the pentagon at first chance.


If you were part of a conspiracy that was framing a Muslim terrorist the maneuver makes since. You would be one of thousands of flights ordered to land immediately. There are reports of a missing airplane flying toward DC with its transponder off. The towers were hit in New York. Your coming in for a landing. Oops, missed the runway. Air traffic controllers say go around and try it again. Then back to landing planes and looking for the hijacked plane with it's transponder turned off. No time to watch where or how high the plane is flying coming around for a second approach. After landing the air traffic controllers find out the plane they are looking for hit the pentagon. No questions asked.


Did the plane that flew over the pentagon fire a missile just before flying over. Was a missile fired from a near by helicopter, another plane or a truck?


At least 85 security videos were immediately confiscated by the FBI. Not one showed a plane hitting the pentagon. If there was one of a plane hitting the pentagon, we would have seen it.


There is one of a missile hitting it. Is it real? Where did it come from?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkkHrtwDRKc&feature=grec_index
 
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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2011, 03:52:41 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2011, 04:22:32 PM »
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Billy did you read my post? Did you think about it?
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