Stamp The Frames!

[parson48]

I know that this horse has been rode a lot of miles, but I have, once again, been trying to explain to someone, on an Indiana outdoor forum, that their barrel markings on a .44 mag, have no bearing on the frame, and that their rifle ought not to have centerfire barrels fired on it.

I handled one .357 rifle in a shop in Beech Grove, IN that didn't have the ".357 mag or .44 Mag only" warning on the frame, but according to the box it was a new, sb1 frame.

How difficult can it be to mark the frames and avoid the confusion, as well as potential injury or death?

I like these rifles and presently own 2 (I know, 2 is laughable, I'll get more, I promise!), bot I would love to see them stamped with proper ID.

[tobster]

I know more than one person who has bought a .44 or.357 to hunt deer in Indiana with the idea of adding high intensity caliber barrels later. They had no idea that there are two different receivers and restrictions on the barrels that can be added. I'm convinced many gun dealers ( and not just the college kids behind the counter at Dick's) are also unaware of the situation.

[xhare]

Remington covers their butts buy insisting all barrels be fitted at the factory.  They check sn# before fitting any barrel to a frame.  If you fit a barrel yourself and it blows up in your face, they have records that will prove that the frame did not come into them for that barrel. 

[xhare]

But still, yes the frames should be clearly marked as either SB1 or SB2. 

[geezerbiker]

It would be nice.  My .44 mag came on a SB2 frame but it took way too much for me to identify it as such...

Tony

[LONGTOM]

Remington covers their butts buy insisting all barrels be fitted at the factory.  They check sn# before fitting any barrel to a frame.  If you fit a barrel yourself and it blows up in your face, they have records that will prove that the frame did not come into them for that barrel.

and in the mean time someone that doesn't know the difference may have an accident or one waiting to happen.
I agree, a simple stamp stating SB1 or SB2 on the frame would be all it takes to keep some people safe.
There will always be the fools that just don't care and do as they please anyway.
For them no amount of stamping will make a difference!!!
 
 
 
LONGTOM

[manatee1947]

you cant fix stupid, I agree, but just because people speed is no reason to not have a speedometer. The info should be available, it would cost virtually nothing to provide.

[keith44]

I say drop the sb 1 frame all together, or move the pivot pin to a different enough location to prevent high intensity cartridge barrel from being used on a sb1 frame

[LaOtto222]

Dropping the SB1 is acceptable to me, changing the hinge point is not. If I want to send in my frame for a 357 barrel, I want to be able to do it, not being stuck with a low pressure frame.

I am sure it has been talked about before, but really, how much difference is there between an SB1 and a SB2 frame? Not that much I bet.

Good Luck and Good Shooting

[otterbob]

To make matters worse I just received my firearm via return mail from a barrel fitting.
When I received it the other day the barrel in marked "Handi rifle SB2" . My "rifle" is not an SB2 it is an SB1 410 sent back for a 357 mag barrel.

My concern is that a person that does not know the difference in the receivers ( as I did a month ago ).
could buy one of these mis-marks with the intention of fitting other "SB2" barrels to them.

The reason I bought this SB1 410 was so that I could have the 357 barrel fitted to it for a combo my little filipina wife would like ( yes she love it !). Now that I have learned the hard way about the price (to fit a barrel) and the limitations of the SB1 I will not do that again.

Otter Bob

[quickdtoo]

To make matters worse I just received my firearm via return mail from a barrel fitting.
When I received it the other day the barrel in marked "Handi rifle SB2" . My "rifle" is not an SB2 it is an SB1 410 sent back for a 357 mag barrel.

The reason I bought this SB1 410 was so that I could have the 357 barrel fitted to it for a combo my little filipina wife would like ( yes she love it !). Now that I have learned the hard way about the price (to fit a barrel) and the limitations of the SB1 I will not do that again.

Otter Bob

Either your frame is too old, or they made a mistake, but the accessory barrel page does state that rifle barrels will only be fitted to SB2 frames, but under the 357 and 44 mag barrels it does state they can be fitted to SB1 frames, a bit of a conflict, I'd PM Brian56 and check with him to make sure.

Tim


http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.asp

Barrel Accessory Program

If you have any questions about the barrel accessory program or need to obtain the age of your firearm, or availability please have your firearm serial number ready and please call 1-866-776-9292 prior to shipping your firearm. Prices and barrel selection subject to change without notice.
 
Important Information Please Review before continuing
Additional barrels may be added to firearms of our manufacture since 1987 only, with a serial number that begins with N, H or CB. We do not install additional barrels on any other manufacturer’s firearms.
Additional barrels will be fitted to the proper frame if the frame passes a detailed inspection. This inspection is performed by the repairman at the time the frame is received.
Rifle barrels may be added to firearms manufactured since 1999 and only to frames (SB-2) that originated as a rifle, if frame passes inspection.Rifle frames (SB-2) newer than 1999 may be fitted with additional rifle, shotgun, and muzzleloader barrels, if frame passes inspection.
 All shotgun frames (SB-1) and rifle frames (SB-2) produced between 1987 and 1999 may be fitted with additional shotgun and muzzleloader barrels only, if frame passes inspection.
Muzzleloader frames can only be re-fitted with muzzleloader barrels only.
Rimfire frames (SS-1) can only be fitted with rimfire calibers.
10 gauge shotguns and the 12 gauge Ultra Slug Hunter with the heavy rifled barrel can only be fitted with other 10 gauge or 12 gauge Ultra Slug Hunter barrels only.
We do not sell additional barrels outright. All barrels must be factory fitted.
We do not sell barrel blanks or do custom calibers/barrel lengths/finishes/sights.
Additional barrels are available as additional barrels only. We will not exchange barrels for existing barrels on shotguns and rifles, as it will change the model.
In order to obtain an additional barrel(s), the stock, forend and frame (receiver) must be sent to us so that they may be properly hand-fitted to the barrel, to be sure they are correctly head-spaced and proof-tested.

[otterbob]

  Either I was misunderstood, or I was not clear in my post.

 
I purchased an SB1 410  as marked on the barrel, I returned it to have a 357 barrel fitted to the frame.
When I received it via return shipment the NEW barrel is marked “Handi rifle SB2” on the 357 mag barrel.
I was commenting about this thread topic of “Stamp The Frames”.
If someone did not know the difference in frames they would believe that my rifle that is now marked SB2, would be and SB2, which it is NOT, it only has an SB2 barrel on an SB1 receiver as installed  by the factory.


My comments were to confirm that Parson48 is correct that the receivers need to be marked instead of the barrels.

 
Otter Bob

[quickdtoo]

No, you didn't misunderstand, I did, sorry!    There's no doubt it would be nice if frames were marked, but it would be real easy for them to quit marking the 357 and 44 mag barrels as SB2, that's been carried over from before 2008 when they only came on/and would only be fitted to SB2 frames, we've been complaining about that ever since they changed. 

Tim

[ratdog]

this is a no brainer if an unknowing person puts a wrong barrel on boom. mark please.

[OldSchoolRanger]

Agreed, this is a no brainer.  H&R should mark the frames.

I say drop the sb 1 frame all together, or move the pivot pin to a different enough location to prevent high intensity cartridge barrel from being used on a sb1 frame

keith44 - I can understand why H&R wouldn't drop the SB1 frame, it has to do with the profit margin and to give people who only want/need a shotgun to purchase one at a reasonable price.   That's the reason, I originally purchased a 410 Pardner.  I wanted an inexpensive starting shotgun for my son, little did I know, it would lead to many more purchases of NEF/H&R guns. 
I can't agree with your idea to move the pivot point, it would prevent people who already own an "older" style receiver and wanting to put a barrel that shoots pistol calibers (.357/44Mags) from doing so.  It would also lead to a decrease of optional barrels that can be added to your receiver, isn't that one of the reasons, you originally purchased a Handi?

[quickdtoo]

H&R/NEF did make short frames for the Sidekick so firearms barrels wouldn't fit.

Tim

[keith44]

Agreed, this is a no brainer.  H&R should mark the frames.

I say drop the sb 1 frame all together, or move the pivot pin to a different enough location to prevent high intensity cartridge barrel from being used on a sb1 frame

keith44 - I can understand why H&R wouldn't drop the SB1 frame, it has to do with the profit margin and to give people who only want/need a shotgun to purchase one at a reasonable price.   That's the reason, I originally purchased a 410 Pardner.  I wanted an inexpensive starting shotgun for my son, little did I know, it would lead to many more purchases of NEF/H&R guns. 
I can't agree with your idea to move the pivot point, it would prevent people who already own an "older" style receiver and wanting to put a barrel that shoots pistol calibers (.357/44Mags) from doing so.  It would also lead to a decrease of optional barrels that can be added to your receiver, isn't that one of the reasons, you originally purchased a Handi?

Well that only leaves marking the frames, and requiring factory fitting of barrels (their policy, not saying anything about the intelligent fitting of used barrels by anyone here)
 
 

[gcrank1]

Maybe when they use up that boxcar full (or is it 10 boxcars full?) of SB-1 frames they will just stick to SB-2s.

[Jason F]

How much would it raise the price of the shotguns if they just used sb2 frames for everything?

[wganz]

SB1 12 GA shotguns are $119 at WalMart.
Honestly, very few people actually get extra barrels.
They simply get another gun.
So, driving up the price point with going to all SB2 receivers and losing sales probably won't fly at H&R HQ.

[otterbob]

  I somewhat agree with Wganz.

 
Now that the price of barrels have increased 40 percent, I believe there are going to be a lot less barrel fittings of “Standard factory calibers”. ( my cost to have a 357 talo barrel installed two weeks ago was USD $198.70 )
There is a place for both receivers , just stamp them ! and keep the website updated with good information.



Otter Bob