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Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« on: November 17, 2011, 04:40:07 AM »
WARNING: Some pics are graphic. I left out the extremely graphic ones.
 
Some tried to tell me that the 200gr Shockwave would not expand with 80gr of Blackhorn 209, especially out of 12" of working bore, minus the height of the powder column. Basically 9-3/4" from the tip of the bullet to the end of the rifled portion of the barrel. The bullets shot so well, and I was certain that even at only 1510 FPS (@ 12ft) they would perform just like they always have. I have killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 deer with Shockwaves and SST's in every weight 200/250/300, and never once lost a deer, or had one travel more than 60 yards. I have also killed 5 with the 20ga 250 gr SST shotgun slug, with equally devastating results.
 
Now with that said, the 200gr Shockwave put this 2-1/2 year old Michigan whitetail down and out before I finished the 10 count. The distance of the shot was 60 yards, he traveled 25 yards after the shot, and was expired when he hit the ground.
I was hunting a stand on the morning of Nov 15th, that I have named the "HOT SPOT". Once the rut kicks in, it is busier than GCS. It was extremely foggy at daybreak, and I could see no further than 50 yards for the first hour of the day. I could hear deer traveling past me in the woods at an estimated 50-100 yards, but for the life of me, I couldn't see them. Once the Sun broke the horizon, it started to slowly burn off the extra moisture in the air. And not until it cleared the tree line did it lift to where I could see past the effective range of my muzzleloaders.
 
I was hunting today with two muuzzleloaders, even though it was the opener of our General Firearms Season. I have never shot a deer, elk, or any game animal with a center fire rifle. As a matter of fact I only own one, and it is a .223 Ultra Varmint, for 'yotes and other vermin. These two muzzleloaders were both on their maiden voyages (so to speak), and I was excited to get them in the woods. As some of you know, I just purchased a new Optima .50 cal muzzleloading pistol last Friday. I installed a scope Friday evening, and sighted it in on Saturday. I was completely ecstatic over the groups I was getting with the 200gr Shockwaves over 80gr BH209. I had two, three shot, one hole groups at 50 yards. I'm afraid that is accuracy some of my rifles would be hard pressed to duplicate. My other pistol cases just were not long enough to enclose this hand cannon, so I used a rifle case for this hunt.
 


 
My other muzzleloader on this hunt is my Custom .45 caliber Huntsman that I put together with a .45-70 barrel. This barrel conversion was done by a gentleman from Virgina. It now has a Savage breech plug for shooting Blackhorn 209 powder and works wonderfully. I also supplied my forend, Knight ramrod thimble, and a Universal Power Rod to complete my conversion.
 

 
I had seen several does and young bucks all morning go through GCS, moving to and fro. Not much shooting at all, due to extreme reduced visibility. I had let several 1-1/2 year old bucks live to see another day (or at least another hunter), six in all. I had watched as the young bucks were rousting the does, grunting, and fruitlessly chasing them around the woods. I took pictures of some of these bucks, and around 11am these two ended up dejected and together, after I had watched them both try to win the hearts of several does, to no avail.
 


 
They became very focused for a moment on something down through the woods off to my left that got their attention. Then all of a sudden they shot out of there like a couple rockets, never looking back.
 

 
I figured I had better start paying attention to this area as well, when all of a sudden I seen "Scrapper" coming down through the woods on a path that would lead him behind my position in the tree. Now I know why they tore out of there like their hind ends were on fire, Scrapper had obviously had encounters with them before, and probably had kicked their butts. I had seen Scrapper on a few occasions earlier, during our bow season, and passed him up, in hopes he would live another year. Scrapper and I had went back at least one year when he was a small 8 point last year, probably two years when he was a button buck for that matter. Scrapper was not the biggest buck in the woods, just a two and a half year old with an attitude. His neck is all scarred up from fighting I presume, and the hair is missing from a couple spots right down to the hide. Scrapper had broken off the tip of his right main beam, just past the G3, and also his left brow tine is merely a stump of what it once was. Today was different, Scrapper had a very distinctive limp as he approached, and where someone had obviously ran a slug through his back leg, breaking the bone. It was disappointing to see him with such an affliction, we were almost Buddies, except he did not know me like I did him, or at least that is how I tried to keep it. Even with his injury, Scrapper still held his head high, and was as proud of who he was, as always. My heart felt heavy knowing that I was going to have to finish what someone else had started, but it was surely for the best. I decided that I would use the new pistol to accomplish this mission, because if I didn't do it, the coyotes surely would have.
 
As he approached, passing 60 yards to the rear of my stand, I could now see that this deed had to be done. I let out a soft mouth grunt, which brought him to a halt. I placed the crosshairs of the scope right tight to the rear of the left front shoulder and slowly squeezed the trigger. At the shot, there was the small puff of white smoke, and as it started to dissipate, I could see Scrapper was still on his feet. I quickly slid the pistol around to my side and grabbed my rifle, just in case this would take another shot. I could immediately see in the scope that another shot would not be required. He only traveled 25 yards, flipped over backwards, and never twitched. I sure hated to see him go before his time, but it was surely better than the alternative. I could have given Scrapper another pass, but it still would have probably been the last time I seen him. I watched on as he lay motionless on the forest floor. I must be getting soft in my old age, because for some reason my eyes were wet, as they are now.
 
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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 11:56:35 AM »
Good for you.  I took an old guy myself this year here in MI.  Hoping to cull some elder and get better seed going again.  This was the poorest opening day I've seen yet, but the 9ish year old I took will make some good Jerkey.  ;)
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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2011, 01:01:43 PM »
first ive seen that gun
 i have a encore 50 pistol and love it
thats a sweet looking gun
i like it going to have look that one up
congrats on the deer

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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 01:30:19 PM »
I'll be joining this small BP pistol group hopefully by this time next week! I plan on trying 80gr BH209 and the 250gr Powerbelt in mine. Im going with open sights though, i can't stand scopes on pistols.

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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2012, 03:14:03 AM »
Great story, Busta...I missed it in November, as I was spending all my spare time with the bow.  Sweet lookin' pistolla!  A tech at Hornady assured me a couple of years ago that the SST would expand reliably at 1200 or so FPS, as I was concerned my finicky Omega X-7 with 80gr (most accurate load I could develope with it) wouldn't open up.  Again, great story!
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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 05:29:56 AM »
Great story, Busta...I missed it in November, as I was spending all my spare time with the bow.  Sweet lookin' pistolla!  A tech at Hornady assured me a couple of years ago that the SST would expand reliably at 1200 or so FPS, as I was concerned my finicky Omega X-7 with 80gr (most accurate load I could develope with it) wouldn't open up.  Again, great story!

Thanks Denny. I had a lot of nay-sayers, trying to tell me that the Shockwave/SST bullets would not open. Now one is trying to convince people that they will explode, when earlier he was saying that they would pencil through. Flip-Flopper trying to sell another brand of bullet.
 
I have killed way too many deer, with absolutely no problems with the Shockwave/SST's for anyone to tell me different. Now that I have seen the results with this pistol, I have removed all doubt from my mind.
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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2012, 11:42:48 AM »
hey busta
great read n shot
what is the grip n forarm made of hard plastic like or softer like a encore black rubber????
very interested
thanks b44mag
 

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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2012, 05:50:11 PM »
hey busta
great read n shot
what is the grip n forarm made of hard plastic like or softer like a encore black rubber? ???
very interested
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b44mag,
 
They are a lot closer to plastic than rubber, but not uncomfortable, IMO.
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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2012, 08:20:07 AM »
well busta thanks for the info my new optima pistol is on the way cant wait to get it in my hands
247.00 to my door got the last one looked around and everyone was out of stock but this one so thought better grab it while i can  :o
 

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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2012, 04:24:37 AM »
Good luck with yours, and that is a very good price.
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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2012, 04:13:15 AM »
well almost shot the pistol yesterday but my encore 243 was 1st on the list and buddy got a call before we got chance to fire the optima maybe next week i put a bushnell trophy 1x28 4 retical reddot on it im liking it so far action lockup n trigger are smooth way lighter than my encore with 209x50 brl on it. grips are ok not as nice as my pac grips maybe they will make a set for the optima i doubt it but i can hope for it  ::)  thinking about 60 to 70 of 777 and a 44mag 240sp should getrdun out to 75yrds   :-\  what do you think busta on the 60ish grains of 777 out to 75 think its enough for pa deer i tried 80 once in my encore just too much for my arm i had surgery few years back had to sell off my big long guns n went to 20ga n 243 now its mostly pistols for my hunting rigs 44mag n 50cal 80 of 777 kicks way more than a 44mag even the 300 grain 44's r less than a 80 grain 777 load n a 240sp

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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2012, 03:46:36 PM »
80 grains of BH209 will get the 200 gr Shockwave moving at 1510 FPS @ 10-12 feet from the muzzle. I took a buck last year at 60 yards through both lungs, traveled 25 yards and was dead when he hit the ground.
 
I don't know about 60 or 70 grains of 777 and your 240 gr bullet. You will have to run it through the chrono and see if the numbers would work out to 75 yards.
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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2012, 06:15:18 PM »
Hello, gentlemen.  I don't post here often, but this thread caught my eye. 
 
I just purchased an Optima pistol a couple of days ago.  I have not shot it yet.  I plan to try it for deer here in Iowa during our late muzzleloader season.  I don't have much experience with newer in-lines, let alone the pistol variety.  I used to have a Traditions Buckhunter pistol that I could not hit the broadside of a barn with (from the inside even). I traded it off a while back but got the bug again and here I go.
 
I'm thinking of trying 70-90 gr of FFFg TripleSeven.  I'm going to experiment with 240 gr XTPs, 275 gr Maxi-hunters and throw in a few 385 gr Great Plains conicals for punishment.  I bought some Remington mz 209 primers.  What I don't have is a sight/optics. I like the idea of open sights, but with some of the effective yardages I see listed which this pistol is capable of, I am leaning more toward a 4x or 2x6 variable Simmons Prohunter.
 
Any general or specific advice?
 
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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2012, 05:46:17 AM »
Hello, gentlemen.  I don't post here often, but this thread caught my eye. 
 
I just purchased an Optima pistol a couple of days ago.  I have not shot it yet.  I plan to try it for deer here in Iowa during our late muzzleloader season.  I don't have much experience with newer in-lines, let alone the pistol variety.  I used to have a Traditions Buckhunter pistol that I could not hit the broadside of a barn with (from the inside even). I traded it off a while back but got the bug again and here I go.
 
I'm thinking of trying 70-90 gr of FFFg TripleSeven.  I'm going to experiment with 240 gr XTPs, 275 gr Maxi-hunters and throw in a few 385 gr Great Plains conicals for punishment.  I bought some Remington mz 209 primers.  What I don't have is a sight/optics. I like the idea of open sights, but with some of the effective yardages I see listed which this pistol is capable of, I am leaning more toward a 4x or 2x6 variable Simmons Prohunter.
 
Any general or specific advice?
 
Thanks.

Scotticus,
 
I think any of those loads would be fine, provided they shoot well. I won't tell you what you should shoot, but I will tell you what works/worked for ME.
 
The 200 gr Shockwave sitting on 80 grains of Blackhorn 209, is LIGHTS OUT! This is with the CVA "BLACKHORN" breech plug, not the OEM breech plug.
 
3 shot group at 50 yards.
 

 
 
And another.
 

 
 
This is what it will do to a 2-1/2 year old buck at 60 yards. Remember this is a .40 caliber, 200 grain bullet.
 
Entrance.
 


 
 
Exit.
 


 
 
Internal.
 

 
 
Anyone care to try and tell me that bullet don't/didn't expand?
 
Keep your shots as close as possible, I think you would be fine. Under 75 yards would be ideal, IMO.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2012, 01:19:31 PM »
Nice shot!  I hope to do as well--I'm not the best tracker.  I bowhunt with a longbow or recurve where 20 yds is about max and this should help me triple my effective range.  Thanks for the advice.
 

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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2012, 09:46:24 AM »
no blood for the beast yet but shes ready n willing  ;D

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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2012, 05:29:29 AM »
no blood for the beast yet but shes ready n willing  ;D

Good luck! What load did you settle on for your pistol?
 
Our general firearms season ends tomorrow, then muzzleloader season starts next Friday in my zone.
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Re: Optima Pistol + 80gr BH209 + 200gr Shockwave = Very Dead 8pt
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2012, 10:19:11 PM »
i kept the 60 gr of 2f 777 t/c 240 in black sabot  :o but it shoots great and i think it will put a deer down under 75ish yards if i do my part but did not get a chance to find out this year  :( and i ended up getting a new ss n black with sights optima longgun to match for me bertday on sunday early bday from better half  230. n some change  out the door at wallyworld but it had some gouges on under lug :'( so its going back this week for repair or replacement cva/bpi = great customer service for sure A+ sofar now i hope all goes well with the fix and return going to try to get 80 grains to print good with the t/c 240s in it i dont think the shoulders going to like anymore than that :'( when i got it home took it apart to clean and get s# and seen the gouges so it got cleaned and put back together its resting in its box waiting for the trip home on friday to see why  ??? :-\ :(