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Offline tat438

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Hunting with the 770
« on: November 21, 2011, 02:44:46 PM »
My lovely wife gave me a stainless 770 in .270 last Christmas. I was not happy with it because I have heard so many negative things about them. My wife gave it to me because she knew that I was wanting a stainless rifle in .270. I didnt say a word because it was a gift, and I know a TON of guys that would love a rifle, but thier wife sure wouldnt go buy them one for Christmas.
 
 I zeroed it when I got it, and it shot groups as well as my 700 1 to 1.25" with Core Lock's. The trigger was even good and adjustable, but I never adjusted it any. Yes I HATE the built in plastic trigger guard, and the stock feels blocky and thick.
 
  It was raining here in Texas this morning, so I took the stainless rifle. I saw a buck, took a shot, and I guarantee you he had no idea it was a 770 instead of a 700.
 
  That 770 is not near as bad as I thought it would be when I first got it. I have not shot the low end Marlin or Savage to compare, but this 770 will do all it claims. The blued with a scope sells for $297 at Wal-Mart here, and I think its well worth it.
 
Anyone else willing to admit they like thier 770? :P

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 12:07:16 PM »
Never owned one.  Always had the same opinions you shared.  Maybe I have been wrong also.  Good to hear your report.

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 12:47:08 PM »
I have a 770 in 243. Bought it before I realized it was remingtons cheaper version of the 700. I have loads worked up for 58 grain v-max and the 75 gr v-max. Both shooting .75 groups at 100yds. Maybe better. but not with me behind the trigger. Ive shot crows at 300yds with it. I have to admit I think it shoots real well.
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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 12:48:58 PM »
In head to head test the 770 normally shoots smaller groups than the rifles it's tested against.
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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 01:47:55 PM »
reviews and opnoins are what they are. one should hold and use any fire arms themseleves before passing judgement. while  others peoples insights can be usefull they are guidelines and not set in stone.know nothing about a 770 but i have seen some good shooting 710s.

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2011, 03:22:50 AM »
I've had the same experience with a 770 in .308.  Fill the voids in the fore-end with plumbers epoxy, free float it and you'll get .5moa at 100 yards.  (110g and 180g ballistic tips)

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2011, 06:12:54 PM »
I've had the same experience with a 770 in .308.  Fill the voids in the fore-end with plumbers epoxy, free float it and you'll get .5moa at 100 yards.  (110g and 180g ballistic tips)

  Funny you mention the stock. I have been looking around, and no one makes an aftermarket or wood stock.

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 11:55:29 AM »
Interesting you mention the Axis, and the idea of after-market stocks. Was looking at an Axis and a Rem 770 today- (.308), and was tempted- both were around the same price w/scope..

The one thing I didnt much care for on either were the synthetic stocks (old fashioned, I guess). As I looked em over, and am still debating them, one thing I got to thinking about was-whichever one I get- I'd likely take a stab at making some in wood myself.
Already about to begin making a fore-end for my H&R Handi out of a nice block of Flame Maple I scored...

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2012, 01:07:03 PM »
Enough with the personal attacks already. Graybeard.


I have handled the 710 or 770 which ever (was not interested enough to look) and it felt like a poorly proportioned club. Was in the gun shop and as far as I am aware it's still sitting in the corner there. Probably still be there in 10 years time.


Have not shot one in fact I don't know anyone who would buy one. What with the licensing system here in the UK getting one as a gift is highly unlikely.


Now I have to really ask myself if offered the chance would I actually shoot one?


Right now I don't have an answer either. I don't like the Rem 700 and have shot them but could I bring myself to shoot one of these  :-\ . One thing I can be certain of one will never come into the house ........................................ now that's for sure!

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2012, 04:37:06 AM »
Well, I'm not a bolt gun fan. But I can not understand the current obsession with cheep rifles. It's been my lifetime goal to buy higher priced=nicer fitted & finished rifles. Not cheeper ones.  ;) I fineally achived one of my goals, buying a double rifle. I love it. And really want another. Actually considering selling all my other lesser rifles & making the purchase of a second double.

Swampman, I know you arn't rational about guns, but have you ever looked at a fine British double rifle or shotgun?  :o

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2012, 06:09:44 AM »
If you want an antique they are ok.  I hunt for meat.  Sub MOA groups at 300 yards will fill the freezer.
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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2012, 06:15:28 PM »



Now this is an antique:-








A real antique because it's over 100 years old  ;)


Now this one on the other hand is only a decade or so old:-














Of course it cost a lot more. Now if it had big greens name on it the swampman would be extolling it's virtues and how it was not really that expensive. But it's a British made rifle soooooooooooooooooooo  ::) [size=78%].[/size]


Now this one:-





Well it's how Big green got into bolt actions. Pity they could read the drawings properly though  ::)  that's why the P-14, or No3 rifle, was not adopted to replace the Lee Enfield. It's only by accident that parts are interchangeable unlike with the Lee Enfield. Heck even Ishapore could make the parts to drawing and the gauges. Sadly Remington and Winchester did not.


Enfield Lock and the Pattern Room should have sent inspectors over to oversee production but didn't. the rest is as they say history.


I wonder how Remington would have faired without the P-14 to build their bolt action on?


Of course mine is not a model 30 Remington but a BSA Model E dating from between 1949-1953








Built on a WW1 P-14 some of which were battle field pick ups. The War department was clearing out depots after WW2 which is how BSA came to build these sporting rifles as BSA never tooled up for P-14 production it made the Lee Enfield in it's various marks of which BSA produced 1,250,000 of during WW2. I do not have the figures for WW1's production of the SMLE by BSA.


  Now even after some "enlightened soul" completely trashed the stock and bedding this old, 1950's, BSA Majestic still wants to shoot:-







I brought it cheap as a project to re-barrel as the bore looked badly worn. Well yes it is worn but not as badly as first thought. What it was, was, full of jacket and nitro fouling build up I doubt it had ever been cleaned properly. A week end spent cleaning the bore and this is the first shots out of a cold clean barrel:-





Now with a new stock bedded properly I expect it to shoot more consistently and possibly tighter groups. God only knows how many rounds have been through this barrel.


 As a result I had to find another donor to re-barrel.

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2012, 03:06:09 AM »
Nothing I'd be interested in.  I don't mind antique leverguns and singleshots.  In a boltgun I want accuracy.  European guns aren't known for accuracy.  They aren't known for much of anything.  That's the reason they all went bankrupt and disappeared.  No loss... ::)
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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2012, 07:53:28 AM »
Nothing I'd be interested in.  I don't mind antique leverguns and singleshots.  In a boltgun I want accuracy.  European guns aren't known for accuracy.  They aren't known for much of anything.  That's the reason they all went bankrupt and disappeared.  No loss... ::)


The reason that BSA went under was mismanagement of the Motorcycle division. The Gun division was carrying it for decades add the fact that successive civil servants and governments didn't want the public to have firearms and made it more and more difficult for buyers and manufacturers.  Then add the asset strippers where the land became too valuable for development and you have a recipe for disaster. With Parker-Hale the buy out by Modular Industries didn't help they thought they were also buying Smith & Wesson but they were not as S&W was owned by the holding company who owned the Parker-Hale brand. Bit like how Remington is owned by a holding company, Venture Capital is it not? I wonder what is happening to the old Marlin plant? Probably being developed to make more bucks for Venture capital.


 Now as for precision well I wonder if Accuracy International (AI) know that according to this man that their products are not capable of precision shooting? The US and other Military users don't think so of course but hey what do they know?


Of course as it's not Remington man would never have heard of RPA, Sauer, Blaser all of which will perform on target as well if not a lot better than his much vaunted Remingtons. Of course those makes don't need to be stripped down and half the components scrapped and replaced with special custom precision made ones and the actions trued and blue printed as they tend to be correctly in the first place. One reason they cost a bit more because they are precision made to begin with.


Ever heard of Walter Gehmman? Not only was he a superior marksman who won many international and olympic comps but he designed superior target sights and glasses. He also shot a record group in a competition in about 1936 or 37 that stood for decades. Of course he was shooting a German Mauser in 8x57 and from prone not from some artificial support like a bench and bags either.


I believe I have mentioned before it's quite hard to find a stockist of Remingtons here as well they don't sell. People don't want to have to shell out a bundle extra just to get a rifle that works properly. they expect them to be right out of the box. There are a couple of companies who specialise in accurising the Remingtons so there are some gullible buyers about. One such firm is Riflecraft who mostly pull the barrels off the new Remingtons and stick them into a barrel and after truing up the action screw on a quality barrel.


I made the mistake of phoning them about a traditional pressure point bedding for a rifle and they tried to sell me one of these Remington take off barrels which is probably of inferior quality to the barrel on the rifle already. As the rifle was old their take was that it must be knackered  ::)  I put them straight on that as the barrel has had very little use. I then asked them why would I want an inferior barrel fitted? After all if it was not up to scratch for the Remington based LSR rifle why would I want to pay they to fit it to my rifle?  They didn't have an answer to that.


It turns out that he can only do free floating bedding too, had no idea how to do a proper bedding job with a pressure point in the fore stock so I found a proper traditional gunsmith and the rifle is fine now thank you.


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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2012, 08:49:07 AM »
Antique designs only interest a few rifleman.  The rest of us like accurate CNC produced  rifles.  The slop in those guns just doesn't cut it. Every Remington shoots sub-MOA groups right out of the box with a rifleman behind the trigger. 
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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2012, 03:30:18 PM »
I had to clean up the thread a little bit... let's keep it civil guys.
Thanks.
 
 
 
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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2012, 11:45:32 PM »
I had to clean up the thread a little bit... let's keep it civil guys.
Thanks.
 
 
 
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Sorry I forgot one is not supposed to point out the obvious and truth as it may offend some one.

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2012, 11:51:50 PM »
Antique designs only interest a few rifleman.  The rest of us like accurate CNC produced  rifles.  The slop in those guns just doesn't cut it. Every Remington shoots sub-MOA groups right out of the box with a rifleman behind the trigger.


Why are you still shooting what is in fact a cheapened and poor copy of an 1898 design then. Instead of quality forged steel they just use drawn tubing and cheap stampings.


If you really want to do as you claim and only shoot modern designs then you had better dump the poor quality junk you have and buy a decent modern design. Perhaps a Blaser R93 or R8. Or perhaps a Sauer 202? Maybe a Heym SR20. heck even the Browning A Bolt or X-bolt are much more modern than the old Rem 700 cheap re-hash of Mauser ideas!


Of course you won't as you don't have the gumption to even try.

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Re: Hunting with the 770
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2012, 02:31:21 AM »
I just don't have any desire to shoot one of those weak and sloppy handmade things.  I prefer the strongest, most accurate, and best selling boltaction rifle in the world.  The Remington Model 700.  Personally I probably wouldn't buy a 770, but still an inexpensive package rifle that will shoot under 3" at 300 yards right out of the box has something going for it.  You just can't beat a Remington.
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