Author Topic: BUGEYE shoots self in foot. AGAIN (Read 2603 times)

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 25, 2011, 10:52:44 AM »

Quote from: saddlebum on November 25, 2011, 08:33:57 AM

"Anyhow... I like Dr. Ron Paul. Does that make me a worshiper?"

It makes you a "worshiper" only if you think Paul is infallable.
I don't know about you, but many do.
I don't see any infallable candidates yet. Nobody out there I can't critisize about something.

I've not seen any infallible candidates, either. How many supporters of Ron Paul have told they consider him to be infallible? I'm gonna guess... none, but I'll hear it from you.

Graybeard · « **Reply #31 on:** November 25, 2011, 11:47:56 AM »

Ron Paul is far from infallible. I don't know anyone who thinks he is. Just something liberals who hate him might try to foist off on his supporters. I like him cuz he's the only one that actually backs up what he says with his actions and those actions and words are pro Constitution and less big government.

No he can't fix all that's wrong with this country but he can make a good start on it if President. Ya ain't never gonna get there continuing to elect folks that want the same goals as those that have been in the office for the last 20+ years.

blind ear · « **Reply #32 on:** November 25, 2011, 11:50:35 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on November 25, 2011, 09:45:51 AM

This whole topic goes back to my arguement of "If you don't begin to make a change in your own life, in your own home, and your own family, then don't expect your governments to change any time soon."

Until we decide to make changes in our day to day lives by getting out of debt, concerning ourselves in local politics, and maintaining a line of communication with our state and federal elected officials, then nothing is going to change. But to my dismay I continue to observe people more pre-occupied with the latest football game, or the latest episode of "X" tv show. Or too pre-occupied with this hobby or that problem to take a few minutes out of every day to do the things they need to make our governments run the way our founders intended it.

But I expect that within the next few months, I will continue to see people in my personal dealings, and on this forum continue to b***h and moan about how bad the government is, and how it's not my fault I voted for so in so. If you don't do something every day to try and get things changed to the way you and many other people think is right, then the opposing side that IS doing something will win.

The big end of the game is fixed, just like the stock market. With a 2 or 3% annual growth rate for the economy, the market will move a % or more in one day, totaling over 100% for a year. It is he worlds largest casino. Someone makes money reguardless the dirrection. The problem is that the market gets manipulated, insiders know how the programs are set.

The banks borrow money from the privately owned FED. The fed gets the money for free, the banks pay little for the loan. The consumer carries the intrest, OK. BUT when the banks make a mad run into unsafe lending (The housing farce), the congress bails them out with more free money that working people are responsible for in taxes.

"Audit the FED" would not be just a crack in the door to get to the bottom of all of this, it would throw the gate wide open.

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nw_hunter · « **Reply #33 on:** November 25, 2011, 12:18:53 PM »

Quote from: Casull on November 25, 2011, 06:38:14 AM

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RP could beat that clown without trying, and the GOP knows it!

That IS delusion. He couldn't win the primary, just how the hell would he win the general election.

(Delusional?) He could win the primary if enough people would pull their heads out long enough to vote for a good man instead of the media darlings.

The General election wouldn't be as hard to win as the primary. I personally know Democrats who have told me they would vote for Paul before Obama, but not for Romney or Newt.

I think there are enough Democrats and third party voters to put him over the top, and I think that's why we see .......especially Fox try and make fun of him or simply ignore him, and push the others. The GOP and media are scared to death of him! It's obvious to thinkers! But it's hidden I guess to followers.

Casull · « **Reply #34 on:** November 25, 2011, 12:24:20 PM »

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(Delusional?) He could win the primary if enough people would pull their heads out long enough to vote for a good man instead of the media darlings.

Hmmm, if enough people voted for him, he could win. Thanks, I didn't know that.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #35 on:** November 25, 2011, 12:46:17 PM »

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That IS delusion. He couldn't win the primary, just how the hell would he win the general election.

Ha! He is already won SEVERAL straw polls! The media (Including Fox news) is blacking him out. Anyone who has the capacity to be blacked out by both conservative and liberal media is a guy worth checking out because it means he's stepping on the toes of both parties.

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"Audit the FED" would not be just a crack in the door to get to the bottom of all of this, it would throw the gate wide open.

Indeed it would, and needs to be.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #36 on:** November 25, 2011, 12:50:41 PM »

It's my theory that those who agree with Ron Paul's idea's and policies are those who are most concerned about getting this country back on the right track as quickly as possible. Just as those who are busy drinking both Democratic and Republican kool aid are those who in some form or fashion are waiting for somebody to fix things for them.

Casull · « **Reply #37 on:** November 25, 2011, 01:28:15 PM »

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Ha! He is already won SEVERAL straw polls!

Ha! He ran last time and couldn't win the primary (you know that past tense thing and all). Oh, and btw, straw polls don't count.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #38 on:** November 25, 2011, 01:46:04 PM »

Quote from: Casull on November 25, 2011, 01:28:15 PM

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Ha! He is already won SEVERAL straw polls!

Ha! He ran last time and couldn't win the primary (you know that past tense thing and all). Oh, and btw, straw polls don't count.

That's what they said about Ronald Reagan.

Casull · « **Reply #39 on:** November 25, 2011, 02:09:35 PM »

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That's what they said about Ronald Reagan.

Yep, but Reagan was cursed with that damned ole charisma.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #40 on:** November 25, 2011, 02:34:57 PM »

Quote from: Casull on November 25, 2011, 02:09:35 PM

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That's what they said about Ronald Reagan.

Yep, but Reagan was cursed with that damned ole charisma.

It was the message that won. I think cutting the budget is the new winning message. The republicans are failing with the budget message.

Casull · « **Reply #41 on:** November 25, 2011, 02:39:51 PM »

In all honesty, Lost Farmboy, I hope you are right. But, with 51% of those available to vote not paying Federal income tax, I fear you are wrong.

blind ear · « **Reply #42 on:** November 25, 2011, 04:59:07 PM »

Quote from: Casull on November 25, 2011, 02:39:51 PM

In all honesty, Lost Farmboy, I hope you are right. But, with 51% of those available to vote not paying Federal income tax, I fear you are wrong.

That is scarey and also one of the reasons that a depression may be the only end toward change. The depression is inevitable. What will the change be?

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Singleshotsam · « **Reply #43 on:** November 25, 2011, 06:33:54 PM »

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Yep, but Reagan was cursed with that damned ole charisma.

Good ol' Replublican drum beating. One of those folks that's waiting for real men to change the world...

Casull · « **Reply #44 on:** November 27, 2011, 08:26:35 AM »

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Good ol' Replublican drum beating. One of those folks that's waiting for real men to change the world...

No, just one of those folks that understands that a candidate must appeal to the masses in under to get elected. Not a very difficult concept to understand actually.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #45 on:** November 27, 2011, 08:28:46 PM »

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No, just one of those folks that understands that a candidate must appeal to the masses in under to get elected. Not a very difficult concept to understand actually.

Funny, I would think RP understands that as well winning as many straw polls as he has been lately...

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #46 on:** November 27, 2011, 08:54:05 PM »

As much as I hate to say this, Jon Stewart describes the media Blackout on Ron Paul very well in this clip...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier

Casull · « **Reply #47 on:** November 28, 2011, 06:19:05 AM »

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Funny, I would think RP understands that as well winning as many straw polls as he has been lately...

I guess that'll be important . . . when we start electing presidents in straw elections.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #48 on:** November 28, 2011, 07:33:57 AM »

Beat that drum son!

Casull · « **Reply #49 on:** November 28, 2011, 08:32:32 AM »

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Beat that drum son!

Funny, I was going to say the same.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #50 on:** November 28, 2011, 02:39:05 PM »

Quote from: Casull on November 27, 2011, 08:26:35 AM

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Good ol' Replublican drum beating. One of those folks that's waiting for real men to change the world...

No, just one of those folks that understands that a candidate must appeal to the masses in under to get elected. Not a very difficult concept to understand actually.

So!............Those of us that choose to vote for a good man, that adheres to the Constitution of our land, and votes and leads accordingly should not get our vote, but instead we should vote for someone who appeals to the masses. I'm starting to grasp this concept!

I'm a registered Republican, so I should vote for the one the GOP leaders want me to! (The Electable one)Not the one I think is better qualified to lead. What the heck was I thinkin?

Casull · « **Reply #51 on:** November 28, 2011, 04:06:47 PM »

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So!............Those of us that choose to vote for a good man, that adheres to the Constitution of our land, and votes and leads accordingly should not get our vote, but instead we should vote for someone who appeals to the masses. I'm starting to grasp this concept!

I'm a registered Republican, so I should vote for the one the GOP leaders want me to! (The Electable one)Not the one I think is better qualified to lead. What the heck was I thinkin?

I really don't have any idea what the heck you were thinking (or sam for that matter). I didn't write anything regarding what anyone "should" do. I wasn't trying to push any candidate (unlike you). I was simply pointing out what I've seen take place and making a prediction. Unfortunately, those that are so wrapped up in their own sense of superiority don't like anybody not agreeing with them.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #52 on:** November 28, 2011, 04:21:32 PM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on November 28, 2011, 02:39:05 PM

So!............Those of us that choose to vote for a good man, that adheres to the Constitution of our land, and votes and leads accordingly should not get our vote, but instead we should vote for someone who appeals to the masses. I'm starting to grasp this concept!

I'm a registered Republican, so I should vote for the one the GOP leaders want me to! (The Electable one)Not the one I think is better qualified to lead. What the heck was I thinkin?

No one said you shouldn't vote for Ron Paul in the primary. The real question comes after the dust has settled and Paul doesn't get the nomination again..... Then what are you going to do?

nw_hunter · « **Reply #53 on:** November 28, 2011, 05:59:06 PM »

Quote from: Casull on November 28, 2011, 04:06:47 PM

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So!............Those of us that choose to vote for a good man, that adheres to the Constitution of our land, and votes and leads accordingly should not get our vote, but instead we should vote for someone who appeals to the masses. I'm starting to grasp this concept!

I'm a registered Republican, so I should vote for the one the GOP leaders want me to! (The Electable one)Not the one I think is better qualified to lead. What the heck was I thinkin?

I really don't have any idea what the heck you were thinking (or sam for that matter). I didn't write anything regarding what anyone "should" do. I wasn't trying to push any candidate (unlike you). I was simply pointing out what I've seen take place and making a prediction. Unfortunately, those that are so wrapped up in their own sense of superiority don't like anybody not agreeing with them.

I'll plead guilty to pushing Ron Paul.I'll push right over wrong anytime.As far as feeling Superior! BS! I haven't felt superior in years

My dog even ignores me.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #54 on:** November 28, 2011, 06:10:20 PM »

Quote from: Ranch13 on November 28, 2011, 04:21:32 PM

Quote from: nw_hunter on November 28, 2011, 02:39:05 PM
So!............Those of us that choose to vote for a good man, that adheres to the Constitution of our land, and votes and leads accordingly should not get our vote, but instead we should vote for someone who appeals to the masses. I'm starting to grasp this concept!

I'm a registered Republican, so I should vote for the one the GOP leaders want me to! (The Electable one)Not the one I think is better qualified to lead. What the heck was I thinkin?
No one said you shouldn't vote for Ron Paul in the primary. The real question comes after the dust has settled and Paul doesn't get the nomination again..... Then what are you going to do?

What if after the dust settles he wins the nomination?What are you going to do?.... If he doesn't, then I'll vote for the best candidate (IMO) on the ballot. More than likely be the Libertarian candidate or Constitution party's choice.

I believe we need to make a statement! Now is as good a time as any to start. If we keep on voting the old lesser ticket, then we shouldn't expect anything to change for the good.

Notice I said......I believe! I didn't take a superior attitude, and say I know!

Ranch13 · « **Reply #55 on:** November 28, 2011, 06:18:53 PM »

Well it's your vote, use it wisely.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #56 on:** November 29, 2011, 12:51:59 AM »

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Well it's your vote, use it wisely.

Is that a plug for "It's a two party sytem and a vote for a 3 party is a vote for Obama."? Because if that's what your saying then I would advocate that it's this line of thought that has brought our country to its knees...

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #57 on:** November 29, 2011, 02:41:59 AM »

Quote from: Ranch13 on November 28, 2011, 04:21:32 PM

No one said you shouldn't vote for Ron Paul in the primary. The real question comes after the dust has settled and Paul doesn't get the nomination again..... Then what are you going to do?

In the past I'd have voted for the Republican, as always - but this time, I do not know what I'll do. Truly, I'm undecided.

Ranch13 · « **Reply #58 on:** November 29, 2011, 03:30:20 AM »

Quote from: Singleshotsam on November 29, 2011, 12:51:59 AM

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Is that a plug for "It's a two party sytem and a vote for a 3 party is a vote for Obama."? Because if that's what your saying then I would advocate that it's this line of thought that has brought our country to its knees...
Sam you need to take a look in the not to distant past, and see what happened with the Perot vote in 92, and even closer yet take a look at what Nader voters did in Florida. 1300 of those democrats stayed on the home side and Gore would of been president.
Do what you think you need to do in the primaries, but think long and hard about the affect of a group of votes pulling away from one party or the other have.
In this election a vote for any other than the republican candidate is a vote for Obama, without having the guts to stand up and say" yeh I like the hope and change of the last 4 years."
For 3rd party candidates to have any chance, you folks are going to have to get off your dead butts, shut off the computer and get out on the street. You need to get spine enough to run for elected office, doesn't matter whether its zoning commission or legislature, but you need to hold elected office positions and show just how good things can be. Once you guys can accomplish that little task, then you start getting enough credibility that voters less knowledgeable about your "constitution" party, don't look at it as just a bunch of Kooks spouting all sorts of good sounding stuff with nothing other than hot air to back them up.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #59 on:** November 29, 2011, 04:43:42 AM »

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Sam you need to take a look in the not to distant past, and see what happened with the Perot vote in 92, and even closer yet take a look at what Nader voters did in Florida.

Ranch I think maybe it's time you and your fellow Republicans look towards the future and decide if the two party system of voting is really working out for our country and it's situation. Let's break down your statement here shall we?

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Do what you think you need to do in the primaries

Thanks, but I don't really need your permission sir,

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think long and hard about the affect of a group of votes pulling away from one party or the other have

Who said I was ever affiliated with a political party? I'm an Independent voter, which means I would rather analyse a candidates voting records and history rather than being spoon fed false information from a propagandist. I choose to be educated and responsible rather than be brainwashed and lazy by doing what a political party tells me to.

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"In this election a vote for any other than the republican candidate is a vote for Obama"

Lies. A vote for a candidate is a vote. Period. You have made a decision on who you think is best for the job. That's all there is. Saying what you said is a poorly designed Republican scare tactic.

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without having the guts to stand up and say" yeah I like the hope and change of the last 4 years

Now your just trying to be insulting and bait me into an argument.

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For 3rd party candidates to have any chance, you folks are going to have to get off your dead butts, shut off the computer and get out on the street.

I've always thought the 3rd party candidates in my area have done a good job of promoting themselves. They are much more open to discussion and friendly, most of the time going door to door in communities. It's not their fault the masses are brainwashed by the two parties... Dead butts? More insults I see. Get off the computer? Sorry sir but that is my livelyhood and how I make a living soooo. No.

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You need to get spine enough to run for elected office, doesn't matter whether its zoning commission or legislature,

So I'm spineless because I don't run for an elected office? Even though I work 5 days a week, attend college classes to obtain a degree in computer programming, coach my 6 year old son's t-ball team during season, find time to play with my kids and spend time with my wife, and still find time to work on computers for extra money, write my elected officials on matters that concern me and practice my hobby of shooting. Yeah ok, sorry I'm spineless cause I'm too busy being a productive member of society. Always with the insults with you isn't it.

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Once you guys can accomplish that little task, then you start getting enough credibility that voters less knowledgeable about your "constitution" party,

Once again son, not "my" party. Independent voter here.

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don't look at it as just a bunch of Kooks spouting all sorts of good sounding stuff with nothing other than hot air to back them up.

And your beloved Republican party doesn't make you drink Kool Aid and spout off insults filled with hot air? Please. All of this angst by Republicans on this thread (not all of you, but most) all because Myself, Matt, Greybeard and several others think Ron Paul's views are those that will help rally this country and put us all back on the right track. I'm sorry but who died and made you the bloody Queen of England? Because there are those of us who feel that Ron Paul can (and in several instances is) win the GOP nomination if the media would give him the credit due, you think you have the right to insult us?

Why don't you grow a spine and realize that if this country is to have any Hope or Change it's going be be done by people who realize they need to make changes in their daily lives. Getting out of debt, helping their neighbors regardless of political affiliation, and electing candidates who have the courage to stand up to current Republicans and Democrats and tell them to grow some balls and do what right for this country or get out of our way.