Author Topic: Our beloved president steps up and supports gun owners........... (Read 2091 times)

crustylicious · « **on:** November 23, 2011, 02:05:06 PM »

The Obama administration on Wednesday backed off a draft policy to restrict target shooting on federal land near residential areas

Any draft proposal regarding recreation on public lands must continue to guarantee hunting opportunities

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/23/8981021-feds-bag-idea-of-curbing-target-practice-on-public-lands

powderman · « **Reply #1 on:** November 23, 2011, 02:25:08 PM »

The obamination must be getting scared, he's fishing for votes. POWDERMAN.

Casull · « **Reply #2 on:** November 23, 2011, 03:04:58 PM »

Pure BS post. Obama did not step up and support gun owners, he realized he was running into a wall and caved. This was NOT the administration's words:

Any draft proposal regarding recreation on public lands must continue to guarantee hunting opportunities

That came from the Republican representative for Montana. But, the OP tried to make it look like the administration said this. Nice try.

saddlebum · « **Reply #3 on:** November 23, 2011, 05:26:58 PM »

.......he he he he

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #4 on:** November 23, 2011, 06:09:46 PM »

Backing off is a long way from supporting.

Mike38 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 23, 2011, 08:09:31 PM »

Quote from: Casull on November 23, 2011, 03:04:58 PM

That came from the Republican representative for Montana. But, the OP tried to make it look like the administration said this. Nice try.

So in other words, the OP is placing a spin on the story, trying his best to cover for his dear leader? Typical Kool-Aid drinking left wing stunt?

LunaticFringeInc · « **Reply #6 on:** November 23, 2011, 11:45:16 PM »

He must have stuck his head out the window and checked for the direction the wind was blowing and knowing that this was going to be a loosing battle ( in regards to getting himself re-elected) decided to back peddle a bit on that and go back to the drawing board and find another way to take a shot a law abiding gun owners. Maybe this time he will come up with something a little less risky to his administration and lower profile than Project Gun Runner, its not like he can afford to have any more egg on his face. I mean thus far he has already made Jimmy Carter look like a freaking genuis and it aint 2012 yet! In a best case scenario we still have 12 more months of this clown to go. That still leaves a lot of time to really screw things up beyond all hope.

DDZ · « **Reply #7 on:** November 24, 2011, 02:58:28 AM »

I think Obama is even smart enough to know that making laws against gun owners is a big mistake. Anything he does in favor of gun owners is because he wants votes. If anyone thinks he is gun owners friend, they are highly mistaken.

oldandslow · « **Reply #8 on:** November 24, 2011, 03:37:29 AM »

"Backing off" is not "supporting". It's "cutting and running" or "seeing which way the wind is blowing".

If he had proposed to build some shooting ranges on public land near residential areas that could be called "supporting gun owners".

saddlebum · « **Reply #9 on:** November 24, 2011, 05:43:13 AM »

Quote from: oldandslow on November 24, 2011, 03:37:29 AM

"Backing off" is not "supporting". It's "cutting and running" or "seeing which way the wind is blowing".

If he had proposed to build some shooting ranges on public land near residential areas that could be called "supporting gun owners".

No. That would be called "supporting unions". The only people who get the work. Same as he did in Nevada for Harry Reid before the elections to help him get elected last time. Well, that and voter fraud when the unions were the only ones allowed to count votes. It's not about gun owners, it's about union payback. But many are fooled by it anyway, evidently. Encluding the NRA, who can't be trusted to make the right decisions anymore as seen in the last election. Reid campaigned on opening a 61 million dollar shooting range by attending 4 "grand openings" right before the elections. 61 million tax dollars for a union only, built shooting range. I'm sure the folks in Kansas didn't mind pitching in on that.
And really, how does building 61 million dollar shooting complexes for union payback reinforce the 2nd Amendment?

snuffer#1 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 24, 2011, 07:23:32 PM »

He's just like the pied piper. I can't believe that we have such idiots that even voted for this, well I can't find words to describe him. Really, him, pelosi, and reed have probably doomed the US. I just wished there was a way to get him out of office now, legal I mean. And his wife is worse than he will ever be!!

ironglow · « **Reply #11 on:** November 25, 2011, 01:15:37 AM »

Backing off for fear of possibly losing the votes of SOME FEW gun-owning Koolaid drinkers...somehow isn't the same as bring a "2nd amendment warrior"...

Mike38 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 25, 2011, 08:57:09 PM »

Quote from: LunaticFringeInc on November 23, 2011, 11:45:16 PM

In a best case scenario we still have 12 more months of this clown to go. That still leaves a lot of time to really screw things up beyond all hope.

I hope you’re right, but afraid we have 5 more years of him. Imagine the damage he can do in a second term? Hold on tight folks, it’s going to be a bumpy ride!

andy1300 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 26, 2011, 03:27:56 AM »

Obama, was never against guns or gun rights *

jimster · « **Reply #14 on:** November 26, 2011, 04:14:10 AM »

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Obama, was never against guns or gun rights *

In fact, it is on record he was against both guns and gun rights while a senator in Chicago, all on record, he also left behind a voting record.
Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.
In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions, such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure. Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted against the bill. On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.¹⁰

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.¹¹

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.¹²

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.¹³

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.²

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.¹⁴

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.¹⁶

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.⁹

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.⁹

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.⁹

Swampman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 26, 2011, 04:17:55 AM »

The second ammendment isn't about hunting. The land is ours, we paid for it.

andy1300 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 26, 2011, 04:30:57 AM »

Obama and me and alot of other people out there just don,t like it that theirs some people out there have the need to
threaten others with their guns and not use them for hunting.

blind ear · « **Reply #17 on:** November 26, 2011, 04:49:08 AM »

Quote from: andy1300 on November 26, 2011, 03:27:56 AM

Obama, was never against guns or gun rights *

The Secound Ammendment has ZERO to do with hunting. You do not understand. ear

Swampman · « **Reply #18 on:** November 26, 2011, 05:12:53 AM »

Quote from: andy1300 on November 26, 2011, 04:30:57 AM

Obama and me and alot of other people out there just don,t like it that theirs some people out there have the need to
threaten others with their guns and not use them for hunting.

For once I'm speechless.

jimster · « **Reply #19 on:** November 26, 2011, 06:45:24 AM »

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Obama and me and alot of other people out there just don,t like it that theirs some people out there have the need to
threaten others with their guns and not use them for hunting.

...sounds like a good reason to carry one with all those people out there threatening us...

ironglow · « **Reply #20 on:** November 26, 2011, 07:12:26 AM »

Quote from: andy1300 on November 26, 2011, 03:27:56 AM

Obama, was never against guns or gun rights *

''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

Yeah....sure....

..There are none so blind..as those who WILL NOT see !

Casull · « **Reply #21 on:** November 26, 2011, 07:36:06 AM »

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Obama, was never against guns or gun rights *

Quote

Obama and me and alot of other people out there just don,t like it that theirs some people out there have the need to
threaten others with their guns and not use them for hunting.

Well . . . which is it?

ironglow · « **Reply #22 on:** November 26, 2011, 07:48:23 AM »

Here's what the NRA says, Andy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh5OhyId8pQ

Relax and have another sip of Koolaid....

andy1300 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 27, 2011, 04:34:16 AM »

Yea, if NRA could have it their way, we all could purchase tanks at our loc gun shops too, thats drinking Koolaid

lakota · « **Reply #24 on:** November 27, 2011, 05:07:23 AM »

Quote from: andy1300 on November 27, 2011, 04:34:16 AM

Yea, if NRA could have it their way, we all could purchase tanks at our loc gun shops too, thats drinking Koolaid

More pure B.S. taken straight from the liberal manual of talking points.

subdjoe · « **Reply #25 on:** November 27, 2011, 07:56:45 AM »

You left out that he pushed for legislation that would have created a 5 mile gun shop exclusion zone around schools and parks. This after refusing to vote in favor of a bill that created a 1000 FOOT adult book store exclusion zone around schools because it would be undue interference on legal commerce.

Also, he continues the lie that somehow the Scary Black Rifle Ban that sunset in 2004 would keep full auto firearms off the streets. That had nothing at all to do with full auto, only semi-auto.

Quote from: jimster on November 26, 2011, 04:14:10 AM

Quote
Obama, was never against guns or gun rights *

In fact, it is on record he was against both guns and gun rights while a senator in Chicago, all on record, he also left behind a voting record.
Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.
In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions, such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure. Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted against the bill. On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.¹⁰

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.¹¹

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.¹²

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.¹³

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.²

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.¹⁴

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.¹⁶

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.⁹

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.⁹

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.⁹

subdjoe · « **Reply #26 on:** November 27, 2011, 08:10:03 AM »

Quote from: andy1300 on November 27, 2011, 04:34:16 AM

Yea, if NRA could have it their way, we all could purchase tanks at our loc gun shops too, thats drinking Koolaid

Actually, not at your local gun shop, but in some states you can buy a tank. Now, please provide us with verifiable incidents of tanks legally owned by private citizens being used in crimes. The only incident I can think of involving a tank was back in 95 when a guy stole a tank from a National Guard Amory in San Diego. But, that wasn't a privately owned tank.

In my decades of discussing the attempts to write the 2nd out of the BoR with member of the powerful and well financed anti-civil rights lobby, if they don't yell "F-U" and storm off after about two minutes, they get to this level, and somehow think that it makes a point - maybe that anyone who wants a tank will automatically turn into some sort of zomboid killing machine. They also, invariably, snap "Well, I know that if I had a gun now I would shoot you." Along with wishing that I or my family would be shot by others. I think they know that they have no self discipline and no self control, but since they are o, so tolerant, diverse, and of superior morals and intellect, if they themselves can't be trusted with anything more dangerous than a sponge, then obviously no beings of lesser morals and intellect can be either.

Matt · « **Reply #27 on:** November 27, 2011, 10:59:56 AM »

I want a tank....

And I PROMISE I WILL NOT DO ANYTHING I THINK IS STUPID WITH IT cross my heart....

reliquary · « **Reply #28 on:** November 27, 2011, 12:07:59 PM »

To Andy1300: I apologize on behalf of anyone who legally owns a gun who has improperly threatened you. If you will identify them for me, I'll personally call them and tell them how wrong they were. You can also report them to the police. Perhaps you could tell us more about what happened?

This will probably frighten you as well: There are probably lots more people out there, maybe even some in your neighborhood, who have passed the Federal background checks and LEGALLY purchased firearms and LEGALLY own them in accordance with local, state, and Federal laws. Like me...and I don't hunt any more. I just like to shoot at paper and plastic targets.

If that's not scary enough: There are places where, after passing the Federal background checks and paying the necessary costs, people can LEGALLY purchase, own, and even shoot, automatic weapons. I even saw a few artillery pieces with ammo for sale in the latest issue of Shotgun News. Folks can even own short-barreled weapons, with suppressors, after passing the necessary Federal background checks and paying the necessary fees. And tanks as well.

Here's the kicker: Even studies by the Brady Bunch and Handgun Haters, Inc, and Hoplophobes Anonymous have shown that you're far less likely to be harmed by those folks I just described, above, than you are by your local pimps, dealers, dopers, burglars, thieves, robbers, and gangbangers...who ILLEGALLY have all kinds of scary ILLEGAL weapons.

Having said that, I know that it's impossible to convince a liberal gungrabber/gunhater with facts, logic, and common sense that it's neither we Second Amendment lovers, nor our LEGALLY-owned firearms, that are your enemies. But we really, really aren't. We just believe in the Second Amendment with the same fervor that you believe in the First.

ironglow · « **Reply #29 on:** November 28, 2011, 01:27:16 AM »

Andy;
Makes me rather wonder what you are doing on a hunting/shooting forum..what's your beef?

Even when I was assigned my own tank (many years ago) the public was in no danger..no chance I would hurt an innocent person. Corrina..(my tank's name) would have frowned on such activity, as would my direct chain of command.