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208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« on: November 26, 2011, 04:14:14 AM »
I've run out of lead...I had about 100 pounds of pure lead from my days in high school but it was all shot up a few years ago and I've been casting round balls from less than pure stocks or acquiring small amounts of unknown purity here and there ever since...and Yes, I could see the reduction in accuracy. Some of those balls appeared unchanged after being recovered, and looked as if they could probably have been re-shot.  :o
 
BUT NOT ANYMORE. A few weeks ago, I was going stir-crazy and I needed to get out of the house...recuperation sucks. So I went to a salvage yard up in Ft Collins, with my Dad, and bought 208 lbs of pure lead. Most of it came in blocks that were ~ 3" X 4" X about 27" and ran 25 to 28 pounds apiece. I'm embarrassed to say how much I paid for it, but once again I'm the proud owner of nice supply of pure lead.
 
We took hammer and chisel and cut it up into more manageable pieces...and started melting it down into cup-cake sized ingots. My old supply of balls has been rendered back into ingots...to be used esle where and I've been using the pure lead to replace and re-stock my shooting supplies by casting balls in the evenings...its been nice.
 
Shoulda taken a picture... :o
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2011, 04:16:49 AM »
Good for you, casting is a wonderful pastime.
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 12:38:28 PM »
I'm beat, absolutely tuckered out... :o
 
I just finished a marathon casting session over at my Dad's house. I hauled all my casting equipment over to his house and we've been casting together the last few days. He's such a good guy and I enjoy spending time with him. I was so tired when I was done that I just left all my stuff at his house for now. I have containers that I store my .50 calibre and .45 calibre balls in and I filled both of those today. Then I started in on the .395 Roundies, they were the worst as the only mold that I have for that projectile is a single cavity. I got it half full before I quit.
 
I was also able to get another few blocks of my lead purchase melted and cast into usable ingots. It looks like I'm down to the last 50 pounds fo the raw lead. Another solid day or two and it'll all be finished and I can stack it up in my reloading room.

 
My Dad cast a short batch of  .600 and .735 round balls. And he also cast a nice sample of .45 minnie balls. Next time we hit the range it should be a nice day of sighting-in a few guns and toying with loads on a few select Charcoal Burners.
 
He had lost the barrel pin on one of his TC Cherokee rifles. So before he started casting balls he made a new one for the rifle...he took some mild low-carbon sheet steel and cut a strip the width of the pin slot, put it in a vice and used a ball-peen hammer to make a new barrel pin. I think it took him all of 8 minutes to cut it, make it and file it to fit. It looks great...I need to have my camera with me more often. Course that don't mean nothin, even when I have the camera with me, I forget to use it.  ???
 
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 02:28:47 PM »
I'm jealous. 200+ pounds of pure lead is a heck of a find in these parts.
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 02:33:40 PM »
$2.00 a pound?
 
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2011, 04:07:03 AM »
$2.00 a pound?...!!!  :o
 
I feel much better about what I paid for lead. Thank you , Cheesehead...it was way less than $2.00 a pound.  8)
 
I remember getting scrap lead years ago....for 15 cents a pound and wheel weights were given away for free by the 5 gallon bucket, all you had to do was ask. So when I did my search to locate a good price and a place to go and replennish my lead supply...I was shocked at the current market for scrap lead.
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 04:17:30 AM »
Quote from: lakota on November 27, 2011, 02:28:47 PM
I'm jealous. 200+ pounds of pure lead is a heck of a find in these parts.

I found a scrapyard in Ft Collins that had an imageing instrument that could analyze the material content of the metals that they take in...And their price was one of the lowest...though not the lowest.
 
So I went and looked in the lead bin and it was amazing. They had these big bars of lead that was os soft that it definately passed the finger-nail test. I probably could have walked away with 600 lbs of lead, before I made a serious dent in what I found in that bin. But I stopped myself at ~200 lbs; the final weight came to 208 lbs.
 
The hardest part has been cutting it all up so that I can get it into the melting pots and poured into usable ingots for later use in casting.
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2011, 04:30:15 AM »
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2011, 04:41:55 AM »
 :o An I whined cause I hadda pay .50lb. fer 150 lb. last year, six years ago bought
200lb. for .30lb. at junkyard, last year they quoted me .80 a lb...Found me a different source an picked up sixty more .lb...gonna try and pickup an stockpile another 2-3 hundred fer the future... ;)
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2011, 07:55:18 PM »
Got about 260 pounds from a friend about 2500 miles away who sent it for just the shipping cost some years ago.    Was about $115 sent in 6 boxes I think.   Go ahead, throw rocks at me, but when I moved last time I tossed out about 175 pounds because I had more round balls, maxiballs and bullets casted than I'd ever use the rest of my life.   So I didn't want to move it, didn't know anyone to give it to and didn't have time to look.     
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2011, 02:46:40 AM »
Going rate for pure lead here in my area...northern front range of Colorado...I was quoted nothing below 75 cents a pound. Its juts crazy that lead is that high.  :o
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2011, 04:43:02 AM »
Quote from: Rock Home Isle on December 01, 2011, 02:46:40 AM
Going rate for pure lead here in my area...northern front range of Colorado...I was quoted nothing below 75 cents a pound. Its juts crazy that lead is that high.  :o


At .75 a pound YOU STOLE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! double that here in western Washington!
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2011, 06:27:10 AM »
Hey thanks, beaverman... 8)
 
The price of the lead was the only thing about the purchase that I did not feel good about...I just remember the prices for lead being so much lower, so much more reasonable.
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2011, 10:13:46 AM »
I havent checked for myself yet but I was told that here in Ohio the numbskulls at the state capital recently passed a law that made the sale of lead from the recyclers to an individual illegal.
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2012, 12:36:26 PM »
I brought in my last 65 pounds of the raw lead that I bought while I was recovering from surgery and had my Physics Students melt it and caste it into ingots for me. They had a blast. Most of them had never seen anything like that before, so I brought in my .72 calibre RB mold and they caste RBs and we made lead dice and calculated the stats on the dice that they made. They made pretty crappy dice, very biased results on ther rolls.
 
Well we are now finished with Thermo...and we're moving on to Ohms Law and Resister Circuits.
 
Dang it was fun while it lasted...I got lots of Balls though for my Brown Bess.  8)
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2012, 07:34:13 AM »
Quote from: Rock Home Isle on November 28, 2011, 04:17:30 AM
............ They had these big bars of lead .................
 
The hardest part has been cutting it all up so that I can get it into the melting pots and poured into usable ingots for later use in casting.

next time it wouldn't hurt to ask at the scrap yard if they could use their hydraulic shear to wack the big pieces into smaller ones.
 
as for todays price of lead, it makes them little .32 cal pea shooters more attractive.
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2012, 12:36:17 PM »
Anduril...that would have been a fantastic idea.
 
As it was I used treet stump, a cold chisle and a sledge hammer to cut the lead into usable chunks....DANG!! :o
 
The 8mm is by far may favorite calibre to shoot...love that little pea-shooter.  8)
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2012, 06:31:35 AM »
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The hardest part has been cutting it all up so that I can get it into the melting pots and poured into usable ingots for later use in casting.

 
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We took hammer and chisel and cut it up into more manageable pieces...and started melting it down into cup-cake sized ingots.

Quick tip fer y'all.......hydralic log splitter......makes short work of chunking up those larger pieces of lead. Most everyone knows someone who burns wood and has a log splitter. 8)
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2012, 04:37:29 PM »
Hydrolic Log Splitter... :o
 
I never would have thought to use a Hydrolic Log Splitter...that is such a novel idea.  8)
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« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2012, 02:17:53 AM »
 A few years back a friend called to ask if I'd haul away some lead his company wanted rid of. The place was ~50 miles from me, so my 1st thought was that it woudn't be worth the drive.
 
 Turned out to be ~1400# of pure lead in 60# ingots. My Ford Explorer's rear suspension never quite recovered from the ride home that day.
 
 Along with some other lead I've scrounged over the years, I can truely say that I have 'a ton' of the stuff. Wish I could figure out a cost-effective way to sell some of it.
 
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Re: 208 Lbs of PURE Lead
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2012, 05:44:28 AM »
hey victor,
65lbs in a medium flatrate box. pack it well and tape the heck out of it. that's the way they do it over on castboolits. some double box it, some put it small flatrates and then pack it in the bigger box, one feller even makes plywood boxes to fit the medium flatrate box. and ya could probably even sell it about 15lbs or so in a small flatrate. i've bought a few boxes sent that way and while they ain't always pretty when they arrive they've all been intact. prices run anywhere from 50 to 75 bucks shipped. for what it's worth and have a good'en friend, bubba.
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2012, 11:52:11 PM »
 Good idea, bubba.  ;)
 
 Only problem with the 60# bars is that they won't fit in a flat rate box. Too long. I have a propane setup that I can melt ~50# with. Been thinking of cutting the bars in two on my bandsaw and making 1# bars. Probably more attractive to reloaders in small portions, but I have to figure in my labor and propane. And time off of work due to lower back problems...
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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2012, 01:29:09 AM »
Be careful using a bandsaw to cut the lead bars. I tried cutting the big lead bars with a bandsaw and the blade kept catching in the lead. For hunks of lead that were an inch or so thick I had little or no problem, but when I got into cutting the 3" X 4" bars, it was a real problem once I got more than a blade width into the lead.
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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2012, 05:43:42 AM »
hey again victor, most who sell on castboolits have already smelted the lead and poured it into ingots. you don't read to have too much tied up in it so you should be able to come out alright on it with a little work. some also use one of the propane turkey cookers and a large iron pot for large batches. luck to ya and have a good'en friend, bubba.
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2012, 06:16:25 AM »
[quote author=bubba.50 link=topic=245753.msg1099500040#msg1099500040 date=1333381422]
hey again victor, most who sell on castboolits have already smelted the lead and poured it into ingots. you don't read to have too much tied up in it so you should be able to come out alright on it with a little work. some also use one of the propane turkey cookers and a large iron pot for large batches. luck to ya and have a good'en friend, bubba.



Yes, a 5 quart pot or larger on a propane turkey cooker has melted large chunks of lead, to be poured into ingots molds, in my experience.

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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2012, 06:17:07 PM »
Quote from: bubba.50 on April 02, 2012, 05:43:42 AM
......some also use one of the propane turkey cookers and a large iron pot for large batches. luck to ya and have a good'en friend, bubba.

That is what I did to finish up my lead ingots. I went out and bought a real short model propane fish fryer at Sportsmans Warehouse for about $60.00+/-...using a small cast-iron pot that I picked up at a flea market for .25 cents, worked like a charm.
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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2012, 10:52:33 PM »
 Thanks, guys.
 
 On another forum, a guy mentioned using a dutch oven set into a pile of charcoal on the ground, with a hair dryer to heat the coals hotter.
 
 Think I'll just find a bigger pot for my propane setup.  :)
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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2012, 06:14:07 AM »
also, as far as ingot molds go, some use muffin pans, others use the cast iron cornbread pans that make either the ones that look like ears of corn or the ones that make the individual slices. for what it's worth and have a good'en friend, bubba.
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« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2012, 10:57:22 AM »
I've got an old Muffin Pan...makes a great mold for lead. Easy to mix ratios of Soft Lead with some of my harder stuff to make a nice Lyman #2 for the modern handgun loads.
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