Author Topic: CVA or not??? (Read 3782 times)

buckshooter · « **on:** November 27, 2011, 12:12:42 PM »

I am from Ohio and I am looking at getting a new CVA optima with a scope. The scope I would like to get Leupold VX-1 scope.

So my questions are, is this a good gun or should I look at different ones? What is a good muzzleloader scope? Is the VX-1 a good scope for a muzzleloader? What kind of bullet, powder and primers should I use? What is the maximum distance that you can kill a deer with this kind of muzzleloader?

I have only owned one other muzzleloader before which was a 100 dollar gun, however, if you have any tips or pointers to muzzleloaders please share.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #1 on:** November 27, 2011, 12:20:20 PM »

the optima is a great gun, i own 2 of them. The triggers on both my Optimas are 2lbs and grit/creep free. The Konuspro 275 3-9x40 is an awesome scope. I just sold an optima last night that had this scope and you talk about an awesome set up for the $80 price tag. 200 yards easily IF you take the time to work up a good load and practice with the rifle a good deal.

Vic49 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2011, 10:55:19 PM »

I own both the new style Optima and a Accura, both are well made rifles with great triggers. I like the Optima over the Accura only because of the stock configuration. Both shoot great with deadcenters or Shockwaves and 90-100grs. BH209

buckshooter · « **Reply #3 on:** December 09, 2011, 06:38:21 AM »

Okay thanks for the replies, but I have another question. When you guys say "BH209" what exactly do you mean by this? I am not use to muzzleloader terminology so I just want to be sure I know what you are talking about. Thanks

Vic49 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 09, 2011, 06:43:28 AM »

Blackhorn 209
http://www.blackhorn209.com/

DennyRoark · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2011, 11:28:13 AM »

Buckshooter, you won't go wrong with an Optima. I have a Leupold VX-II 4-12AO on mine. It shoots MOA with 100gr Pyro RS and 250gr Shockwave EZ-Glides or Parker Hydra-cons. Also shoots 240gr XTP's at 90gr just as well. You can't go wrong with it. 150 yd shots in the open have produced 3 one shot clean kills. I missed one at a ranged 175 (probably me). I know this is late for Ohio deer season, but ML is coming up. Unless you shoot at driven deer, it's the only gun you'll ever need here. Also, the breech plug is everything they say and more!

mechanic · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2011, 11:31:34 AM »

Many are against CVA in any form, but I have owned several, currently own two, and have been well pleased with all of them. I don't shoot the "max" of 150 grains of powder because I have found it not needed, and less accurate. Dependent on bullet, I load from 85 gr. powder under a conical, to 95 gr. with sabots.

Ben

Swampman · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2011, 12:12:24 PM »

I wouldn't own anything made by CVA or Traditions.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #8 on:** December 15, 2011, 03:03:00 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on December 15, 2011, 12:12:24 PM

I wouldn't own anything made by CVA or Traditions.

Yeah we know we know. If its not stamped Remington you dont push it

Swampman · « **Reply #9 on:** December 15, 2011, 03:16:43 PM »

I wouldn't buy a Remington that was made in Spain either.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2011, 07:59:02 PM »

just Russica

grouse · « **Reply #11 on:** December 16, 2011, 02:29:38 PM »

No reason to buy CVA Muzzleloaders at all. All the American made Muzzleloaders are good and pretty cheap if you shop around. Just an American opinion.

mechanic · « **Reply #12 on:** December 16, 2011, 02:34:08 PM »

Are any inlines other than TC American made? Just wondering.

Ben

Swampman · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2011, 02:38:40 PM »

Knight is still making them.

grouse · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2011, 03:17:34 PM »

Knight, Savage, NULA, The Ultimate i believe as well.

demented · « **Reply #15 on:** January 07, 2012, 12:20:04 AM »

This I saw with my own eyes, not internet rumor.....Last year a good friend was shooting his CVA, not sure what model, what I am sure of is the six inch long by half inch wide chunk that was blown off the barrel, starting right in front of the breechplug. As he was shooting off my Led Sled he did not have his fingers around the barrel, this saved his hand. The load was a 250 gr. TC Shockwave, Winchester ML 209 primers, two fifty grain Pyrodex pellets. Yeah, I'll stick with my Knight.

Busta · « **Reply #16 on:** January 07, 2012, 01:18:15 AM »

Quote from: demented on January 07, 2012, 12:20:04 AM

This I saw with my own eyes, not internet rumor.....Last year a good friend was shooting his CVA, not sure what model, what I am sure of is the six inch long by half inch wide chunk that was blown off the barrel, starting right in front of the breechplug. As he was shooting off my Led Sled he did not have his fingers around the barrel, this saved his hand. The load was a 250 gr. TC Shockwave, Winchester ML 209 primers, two fifty grain Pyrodex pellets. Yeah, I'll stick with my Knight.

demented,

Could you please find out which model/year that rifle was, I would really like to know, as I am sure others would as well? Was it a blued, nickel, or stainless rifle? was it one of the old extruded barrels, or one of the newer Bergara barrels? Thanks for this information.

Swampman · « **Reply #17 on:** January 07, 2012, 01:29:50 AM »

Quote from: demented on January 07, 2012, 12:20:04 AM

This I saw with my own eyes, not internet rumor.....Last year a good friend was shooting his CVA, not sure what model, what I am sure of is the six inch long by half inch wide chunk that was blown off the barrel, starting right in front of the breechplug. As he was shooting off my Led Sled he did not have his fingers around the barrel, this saved his hand. The load was a 250 gr. TC Shockwave, Winchester ML 209 primers, two fifty grain Pyrodex pellets. Yeah, I'll stick with my Knight.

Yep, it's not just the old ones.....it's still happening.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #18 on:** January 07, 2012, 07:39:29 AM »

stupidity and lack of knowledge is what destroys any gun. CVA rifles are just as safe as any.

Take a look at this video, there are all sorts of ways to destroy a muzzleloader,

Now this is a real shooter thinking he knows what he doing and makes a cute remark about using .45cal pellets because they are cheaper than the .50cal pellets for his .50cal muzzy.

This is some real dangerous stuff this kid is playing with, yet he put money first before safety. If he had taken the time to read his manual the gun comes with or even just do some reading online he would have known that a .45cal pellet is NOT for a .50cal and the gaps they leave in the barrel are creating massive amounts of pressure spikes. I do believe he mentions the recoil in the video.

JimG · « **Reply #19 on:** January 27, 2012, 09:27:33 AM »

Recently bought a 2010 CVA Optima and will never buy a CVA product again. Horrible CS (worse than Remington and that's saying something). Very poor quality control. I dumped it at a loss. I'll stick with my 'lowly' H-R Huntsman.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 27, 2012, 10:29:46 AM »

Kid using .45 pellets in his CVA .50 was a lucky dimbulb.

My CVA experience: I've got a CVA Buckhorn that I got for about 80 bucks on a post-season sale about six years ago; before that I had a Staghorn (similar design). The Buckhorn (same as kid in vid has) has been a very good rifle: comfortable stock & recoil pad, EXCELLENT trigger, sufficiently accurate at 100 yards. I like it. Downsides? It's a pain to put on the primer w/o tool, and you do have to disassemble to thoroughly clean. My standard load is a pedestrian 240gr XTP over 90gr loose Pyrodex RS. I've killed numerous deer with it, last an 8 pointer during 2010 season.

good & effective deer rifle, on the cheap.

Underclocked · « **Reply #21 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:18:23 PM »

The bias continues irrespective of the truth and there are those that cannot stand the fact that CVA is making two models (the Accura and the Apex) that are fine guns. Yes, made in Spain.

Of course there are those on these forums that insist on keeping their heads planted firmly in their rectums so they can spew crap from their mouths at every opportunity - as if their opinion was actually meaningful.

I can't speak about the Optima as I've only owned one of the very original Optima models (far removed from the current version) and I didn't think much of that one.

You want to see an example of how and WHY people blow up muzzleloaders, just listen to this nutcase http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t33dU3CwJP8

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 28, 2012, 04:43:08 AM »

Quote from: Underclocked on January 27, 2012, 08:18:23 PM

The bias continues irrespective of the truth and there are those that cannot stand the fact that CVA is making two models (the Accura and the Apex) that are fine guns. Yes, made in Spain.

Of course there are those on these forums that insist on keeping their heads planted firmly in their rectums so they can spew crap from their mouths at every opportunity - as if their opinion was actually meaningful.

I can't speak about the Optima as I've only owned one of the very original Optima models (far removed from the current version) and I didn't think much of that one.

You want to see an example of how and WHY people blow up muzzleloaders, just listen to this nutcase http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t33dU3CwJP8

You're 100% correct!

Swampman · « **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2012, 02:59:07 PM »

The words Made in Spain and fine guns being on the same page is laughable at best.

I just hate to see anyone get hurt esp. and innocent bystander.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #24 on:** January 28, 2012, 03:07:01 PM »

some of the finest guns in the world are still made in spain. They had a show on tv some months back about a factory in spain that did high end shot guns, the engraving they did was simply amazing. These were guns in the $6,000 + price range.

Swampman · « **Reply #25 on:** January 28, 2012, 03:08:20 PM »

And still dangerous.....because they aren't proofed.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #26 on:** January 28, 2012, 03:22:26 PM »

If you are saying that ALL guns from Spain are not proofed, You are sadly wrong.

Swampman · « **Reply #27 on:** January 28, 2012, 03:25:13 PM »

That's what I'm saying.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #28 on:** January 28, 2012, 03:53:54 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on January 28, 2012, 03:25:13 PM

That's what I'm saying.

Busta · « **Reply #29 on:** January 28, 2012, 06:08:28 PM »

Quote from: Underclocked on January 27, 2012, 08:18:23 PM

The bias continues irrespective of the truth and there are those that cannot stand the fact that CVA is making two models (the Accura and the Apex) that are fine guns. Yes, made in Spain.

Of course there are those on these forums that insist on keeping their heads planted firmly in their rectums so they can spew crap from their mouths at every opportunity - as if their opinion was actually meaningful.

I can't speak about the Optima as I've only owned one of the very original Optima models (far removed from the current version) and I didn't think much of that one.

You want to see an example of how and WHY people blow up muzzleloaders, just listen to this nutcase http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t33dU3CwJP8

We have a winner!