Hi Point C9 At 100 yards

[jdwolf]

Hi Point C9 At 100 Yards. It may not be a Colt, Kimber, Glock, Smith & Wesson, or Ruger,  but, it will 'get 'er done'.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voR7HOyxXhk

[eye shot]

Thats where the 9mm shines over the 45acp. at distance. At the range the guy next to us was shooting his 1911 and aming like at a 45deg angle. Asked him what he was shooting at and he said the 300yd steel plate. He never hit it and it looked like his rounds were making dust at a little over 200yd. I had my C9 with me and had to try it. I aimed at the top of the berm behind maybe 5' high and could hit the plate just about every time.

[jdwolf]

Thats where the 9mm shines over the 45acp. at distance. At the range the guy next to us was shooting his 1911 and aming like at a 45deg angle. Asked him what he was shooting at and he said the 300yd steel plate. He never hit it and it looked like his rounds were making dust at a little over 200yd. I had my C9 with me and had to try it. I aimed at the top of the berm behind maybe 5' high and could hit the plate just about every time.

  Was the guy with the 1911 impressed or did he call your C9 a junk gun?

[eye shot]

Don't know but he put the 1911 away and went back to his rifle.

[John R.]

Do you honestly think it was the great Hi-Point C9, or the fact that eye shot was a better shooter than the guy with the 1911. You can give a guy that can't shoot a $3000 pistol, and it won't make him a good shot. On the other hand, I'm sure Rob Leatham would give you a run for your money with whatever he was holding.

[jdwolf]

Do you honestly think it was the great Hi-Point C9, or the fact that eye shot was a better shooter than the guy with the 1911. You can give a guy that can't shoot a $3000 pistol, and it won't make him a good shot. On the other hand, I'm sure Rob Leatham would give you a run for your money with whatever he was holding.

  It's very possible that eye shot might be a much better marksman than the guy with the 1911 was.  The point here is the fact he did it with a C9, a pistol that you have repeatedly called a junk gun on this forum.  I would hardly call any pistol, regardless of it's cost, that can get those results,  junk!  As for Rob Leatham, I'm sure he'd give you a run for your money with whatever you were holding.

[eye shot]

A lesson taught. I stoped in a gun shop and looking at scopes I said are these your cheap wons? The owner replied no I have no cheap ones, those are my less exspensive ones. I think that would also aply to guns. Oh my bother who hasn't shot pistol in thirty years could also hit steel at 300yds. with the C9. Have a good day.

[John R.]

What size steel plate are you shooting at? You must be Elmer Keith Jr., if you can consistanly hit a 12" x 18" (standard size) steel plate at 300 yds. Now your brother who hasn't picked up a pistol in 30 years can now miralacously hit steel plates at 300 yds. How many hits are you getting out of a magazine? The guy shooting at 100 yds. was only hitting about half the time. We definitly need a youtube video of this. Have a nice day.

[eye shot]

  You can barely see the white 12"x12" target at 200yds that I was shooting a 1100 Rem. slug gun at- first berm. At the top of the second berm is the black steel plate, 300yds. I don't think my eyes would even see a 12x18" target at 300yds. I only walked out to 200yds for my target, for all I know that steel could be 4'x8' and we could hit it with the C9 on an ave. 5 rounds out of the clip.

[kevinsmith5]

Of all the arguments I've ever heard about the C9 (or any of the Hi-Points) the least comprehensible one is about their accuracy. Argue if you want about weight, metallurgy, feeding issues, magazine capacity, or the utterly bizarre "criminals like them", but the dang things hit what you aim at.

[John R.]

That may be true, but I haven't heard the 300 yd. accuracy debate. To be honest I haven't shot any of my semi-autos at that range. 100 yds. yes, but not 300. The part that amazes me is his brother had not picked up a handgun in 30 years, let alone shot one at any range, and can hit that target at 300 yds. 5 out of 8 times. Seems to me he ought to be booking a flight to Vegas with that kind of luck.

[stolivar]

I can hit a beer can at 100 yards with no problem with a red dot on mine  with no problem.... very accurate.  I have 2 and both are very accurate.




steve

[painted horse]

A lesson taught. I stoped in a gun shop and looking at scopes I said are these your cheap wons? The owner replied no I have no cheap ones, those are my less exspensive ones. I think that would also aply to guns. Oh my bother who hasn't shot pistol in thirty years could also hit steel at 300yds. with the C9. Have a good day.

Thats pretty good shootin. Thats generally where we start from out here though. After a couple 300yd "warmups" we start reaching out in hundred yard increments, but before you can move up you have to hit at least 5 outa 6 at that range. My best to date is 700. Shooting a Ruger RH 45 colt w/4in barrel. I do it one-handed untill I get over 500 then I go to two handed..targets are 2 ft square...I generally "win" these shoots, but the "losers"  from the nursing home say I have an advantage with the adjustable sights on the RH. I tell em' if they can't shoot those lousy 38spls with the fixed sights to buy a HP 9mm as they are some of the best shooters I've heard about.  Maybe then I can get some competition...

[Lloyd Smale]

problem with most semi autos be it a 45 40 or a 9 is the bullets designed for them are poor flyers out long range. I could probably hit a beer can at a 100 yards with a slingshot too given enough shots but i seriously doubt your going to hit one CONSISTANTLY at a 100 with any semi auto pistol. Unless your talking some tricked out race gun shooting a load tha tis capable. Bottom line is most 9s are very lucky to do 2 inches at a 100 yards and most are in the 3-5 inch range so even if you CAN get a 2 inch group out of your gun your looking at a 8 inch group at a 100 yards and that isnt going to give you consistancy even if you do everything perfect. So if you tell me you can hit a coffee can at a 100 yards im impressed. Ive shot a few of those high points. there nothing id buy but then im admitidly a gun snob. Thing ill say about them though is that the ones ive shot were reliable and as accurate as any other 9 ive shot.

[painted horse]

Thing ill say about them though is that the ones ive shot were reliable and as accurate as any other 9 ive shot.

EXACTLY...thats what I was tellin the boys down at the nursing home. Well, except Walt, I've read they're kinda heavy, so unless we could figure out some kinda bench setup for his wheelchair he better stick to his S&W snubbie...............okay,okay,  I'll let it go. I'll take YOUR word on the performance Lloyd. In fact, I think I'm gonna buy one, not sure which caliber, but if they're as good as all the owners are posting, I want one. An auto that doesn't jam, (rarely) have feed issues, (except for the "ears" on the mag thing) and is as/more accurate than a Kimber, Sig or Glock, (as posted by actual owners) Lifetime warrentee, USA made, and all for less than 200 bucks. Yep, I think I want one...no I'm not kidding

[John R.]

I'm sorta like you Lloyd, hitting beer cans every shot at a 100 yds, is hard to do, red dot sight or not. In my experience, when really pressed, most people can't do this on demand. A lot of people claim to be great shots, but when you try and get them to the range to prove it, they always have something to do. It's like my favorite deer rifle (7mm/08 Mtn. rifle), I have shot 1/2" groups with it before. Will it shoot 1/2" groups every time I carry it to the range, no. I would have to see a man shoot beer cans @ 100 yds. consistantly, with a Hi-Point, to believe it, or any other semi-auto for that matter. The key word here is CONSISTANTLY.

[painted horse]

Whoa now guys, you know I was just funnin in those two posts, right? I couldn't hit the ground at 500yards with a handgun...

[rockbilly]

Boy, them C9s is some great guns, gonna have to get me one too.  I will keep in mind something my ole Grandpa use to tell me, "even a blind sow can find an acorn once in a while." (or can they?)
 
I'll admit there are some that shoot the pistol very well, but most of us coundn't hit a mule in the butt at 100 yards. JMHO.

[painted horse]

Okay, I'm a lousy shot, I guess I'll just have to admit it to myself..all this talk about shootin beer cans consistantly (key word) at 100yds with iron sights on WHATEVER handgun. I'm here to tell you I've NEVER shot a consistant 1/2in group at 100yds with any of my hunting rifles let alone a handheld weapon. You want to tell me you can ring steel at 300yds with a handgun with iron sights 5 outa 8. I say B.S. If this is unacceptable behavior on my part well so be it. We want to talk about our guns and how well they can shoot then at least make it reasonably honest. Dishonest evaluations help no one..and we all seem to "hate" gun rag writers (as they're so commenly refered to) for being dishonest in THEIR evaluations, so maybe we should be held to the same standard. If this gets me removed from this site, o.k., I just happen to think theres not much lower than a thief or a liar...

[Savage]

Not sayin what anyone can or can't do, but I'm wondering what kind of sight picture one would have to hold with open sights to hit even a 3'x3' plate at 300yds. A quick pass through the ballistic calculator tells  me a 115gr RN bullet with a 25yd zero at 1400fps drops 135.15" at 300yds. I'm thinking if you held up enough front sight to allow for the almost 12' drop, you'd be looking at the top of the slide. Throw in a 10mph full value wind and we're dealing with almost 4' of bullet drift.
Now I get lucky every now and then with the 200yd rifle plate and manage to get hits with my Glock 35, 5" 1911 or CZ about half the time. Obviously I need more practice.
Savage

[whetrock]

I'm a novice when it comes to shooting, but IMO being able to deliver consistent accuracy at 100 yards with a handgun is a pretty impressive feat. Hi-points while scoffed at by many aren't bad firearms in the least bit. I have a close friend of mine that shoots a C-9 as well as another friend who has one chambered in 40 S&W and both feel very positive about the handguns. I put 50 or so rounds through my friends C-9 and feel it is capable of more the serviceable accuracy as well as excellent reliability. In fact I've been wanting to purchase one just for kicks. I own and shoot a 995 carbine and it too has proven to be a great compact little rifle. There is a difference between and inexpensive item and a cheap item and IMHO a hi-point isn't cheap but rather inexpensive. With that being said they are pretty darn ugly .

[John R.]

Yes they are, pretty darn ugly that is. Consistent 100 yd. plinkers, I don't think so!

[gr8ful]

Yes they are, pretty darn ugly that is. Consistent 100 yd. plinkers, I don't think so!

The 995 carbine is definately a consistent 100 yard plinker, the c-9 would take a lot of practice but a 300 yard shooter? come on.

[John R.]

I was referring to the pistols, as far as accuracy goes. I would have to see the 300 yd. thing with my own eyes.

[SHOOTALL]

Shooting a box stock handgun at 300 yards takes alot of skill do it standing almost requires using the force . That said most anyone with trigger control can get on target at most any reasonable distance . If from a bench all the easier . Lets get one thing stright most factory GOVT.STYLE 1911 don't sport sights that allow percise aiming PERIOD. Now take the 9 in question are the sights useable ? if so all that would be needed by a real shooter is to fire a few shots to get an aiming point (which might not be on the target  ) once that is established it is no harder to hit a long distant target than a close one.
As for 9mm vs 45 acp for long range shooting get real in equal guns the heavy bullet will travel farther and retain more energy . The bullet that starts faster will slow faster . You mistake a poor platform for bullet preformance. As for the HP gun after 100+ years of production we will see if it stood the test of time  That is about as fair as it will get .