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Offline bigbigjoe76

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need load data for 45BC
« on: December 02, 2011, 02:15:45 AM »
does anyone have any load data for the 300gr XTP Mag . I want a 100yd hunting load.  the only info i have is with the 250gr.  at the moment i have lil gun powder but if somthing else will work better i can get it.    thanks..
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2011, 02:31:49 AM »
Try using up to 20.2 gr of LilGun under the 300 gr. bullet.  That load is under 30,000cup and is more than safe with the Handi rifle.  DP
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2011, 02:31:52 AM »
Hi,
 
I assume you have the 45LC Carbine BC.  From the hodgdon website, this is for a different jacketed 300 grain bullet than you want to use so probably need to back off some more on the start load and watch for pressure issues.  This is Ruger, T/C data so higher pressure than standard 45 Colt loadings for a revolver.   
 
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2011, 02:41:11 AM »
hey biker,  i have that data but i thought that with the XTP being a .452, pressures might get too high.  that is why i hope someone here has some info on the particular bullet.....i'm still kinda new to reloading so I want to make sure i stay safe
 
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2011, 03:06:01 AM »
Being new to reloading you really need to get a good reloading manual.
I use the same bullet with excellent results and 1" at 100 yards group using IMR4227 powder and a near max load according to published load data, but it is still mild on the recoil with no pressure signs.
Any of these powders H4227, H110, Lil'Gun to name a few will work fine, but you just have to find the right combination your rifle likes.
Any reloading manual will have plenty of loads for the 45 LC but they are listed mainly as pistol data, but you can add a couple hundred ft. per sec. for a rifle.
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2011, 03:34:51 AM »
From Loadbooks USA, page 3 of the Hornady section for the Hornady 300 grain XTP-Mag and HP-XTP, the starting load using WIN 296, is 17.9 grains for 1050 fps.  The max load is 21.7 grains for 1300 fps.  This is from a 10 inch TC barrel.  In my H&R 45 Colt BC using 21 grains of 296 my chrony registers a average of 1504 fps, ten feet from the muzzle for 1499 fpe.  This calculates to 989 fpe at 100 yards.  It's a real thumper on both ends and very accurate. 
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2011, 04:33:59 AM »
I used the 300 grain Hornady XTP magnum bullet this year to take a big mature 8 pt. at 68 yards.
 
The bullet hit high left shoulder penetrated, clipped the backbone and through the other shoulder and stopped just under the skin on the opposite side, dropping the buck in his tracks, and he was dead before he hit the ground.
 
The recovered bullet was mushroomed  to almost twice it's diameter a little more than half way back the length of the bullet, and still retained it's mass.
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2011, 11:14:05 AM »
When it comes to a powder choice, I start with H Lil Gun and if that doesn't work then I go with A2400. Start around 16.5 gr and work up from there. ;)




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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2011, 11:23:24 AM »
Big Joe,
 Being new to loading, you need to know each and every barrel is its own identity. Whats safe in one IS NOT NECESSARILY or LIKELY to be safe in another. So even if I was to tell you I have a load I can document and prove will shoot in one 45 cal hole at 1000 yards form my rifle, its the best most accurate load I have every found... it don't mean a thing to ANYONE else...

Something else I am not fond of is offering data mistakes happen. I would hate for something I wrote cause someone hurt.
 
I will offer what works for me as far a components and that is WW296 powder and a 300 Speer/Sierra and STD XTP bullet. I have not seen the need for a MAG version from a 45 Colt loading. I DO use them in a 454 Casull loads. But those are a couple hundred FPS faster... I have been loading and shooting deer with 45 Colts in carbines since the early '80's. The Speer has been used the most. Its a plated bullet!! The Sierra is another good one and its a tougher bullet. Back in those days the XTP was not around yet. When it came out I tried it and it also works very well. I have literally shot end to end thru whitetails with that Speer plated SP bullet. it will hold together and it will penetrate.
 
Good luck and please DOUBLE and TRIPLE check any and all data you load. EVEN printed data from manuals as typos happen.
 
Merry Christmas,
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2011, 01:23:22 PM »
CW, I'm gonna disagree with you here a little bit.  If it's published data then it should be safe in all applications it was intended for.  Personally I have no problem giving or accepting data that has been published in reloading manuals and can be verified.  This doesn't apply to data given by writers on the internet or just personal data some poster has worked up, but if it is published data from reloading manuals then it should be perfectly safe.  I suspect companies like Hornady, Speer, Sierra, and the likes go to great lengths to ensure their data is safe.  If one can't trust them then there is no safe starting place for anyone.

Each and every barrel may be different as far as accuracy and what that paticular barrel likes but as far as safety goes, they should all be the same regarding published load data.  If not then we're in a lot of trouble in the shooting world.
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2011, 01:58:23 PM »
Quote from: Gohon on December 02, 2011, 01:23:22 PM
CW, I'm gonna disagree with you here a little bit.  If it's published data then it should be safe in all applications it was intended for.  Personally I have no problem giving or accepting data that has been published in reloading manuals and can be verified.  This doesn't apply to data given by writers on the Internet or just personal data some poster has worked up, but if it is published data from reloading manuals then it should be perfectly safe.  I suspect companies like Hornady, Speer, Sierra, and the likes go to great lengths to ensure their data is safe.  If one can't trust them then there is no safe starting place for anyone.

Each and every barrel may be different as far as accuracy and what that particular barrel likes but as far as safety goes, they should all be the same regarding published load data.  If not then we're in a lot of trouble in the shooting world.

Good evening my friend!
In a perfect world you would be correct. but as I said TYPOs happen. a TYPO is a printing term for a TYPE WRITTEN MISTAKE.
 
You see you are correct that these companies DO go to unbelievable lengths to provide good safe and accurate data... then they send it off to a printer... who could and quite likely is NOT a gun person. All this work does go thru a proof reader. But this person also may or may not be a gun person. Even if they where I doubt many have a idyllic memory and see transposed digits or down right wrong amounts. Its a person setting type. Today its a reloading manual, tomorrow its a women's under wear catalogue and yesterday it was a how to mag on wild mushroom picking... Get the point.. Its done by a person and persons make mistakes...
 
I am not suggesting people KNOWINGLY print bogus data. GOD,  I HOPE NO ONE DOES!!!!
 
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FYI, In a past life (1980-1999) I also worked full time in the printing industry. In other words concerning TYPO'S, I know of what I speak. ;)
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2011, 02:53:43 PM »
I used 15.7 grains of 2400 under the 300 grain XTP last year on a doe.  It went 3/4's of the way through the deer, end for end, before exiting.  This is a load I researched up on the old internet, take it for what it is worth and do your own due diligence to make sure it is a safe load for you.
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2011, 03:39:51 PM »
the hornady 8th edition manual has 15.0 gr. of lil' gun and a max load of17.7 for ruger level loads for the 300 gr. xtp mag. and lists 1.655" as the C.O.L.
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2011, 01:52:06 AM »
Hodgdon lists the 300 gr jacketed bullet in their ( Ruger, Freedom Arms and TC Only ) section over Lilgun with a starting load of 18.0 gr for 1140 fps and 24,500 cup and goes up to 20.2 for 1203 fps and 29,800 cup. All guns have their own little quirks and pressures can vary. As always start low and work up to the sweet spot ( the perfect balance of powder/bullet ) that your particular gun safely shoots the best with. I own three different 45 LC's. Two Ruger pistols and an Encore Rifle. They all like something different.
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2011, 07:07:19 AM »
Well, posted it a few times before.  I like Paco Kelly's info.  I use the reloader7 load info at the bottom.  ;)  Took a nice buck with it this year.
 
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/45coltlevergun.htm
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Re: need load data for 45BC
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2011, 07:10:54 AM »
Good readings by Paco Kelly!!!!!

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