Author Topic: Question about TC renegade (Read 2583 times)

ballenbrowning · « **on:** December 04, 2011, 03:40:08 PM »

Looking for a little info on the TC renegade and renegade hunter. I have seen several 50 cal. and a few 54 cals., but I was wondering if they made a .45 cal. Or if someone knows of a website that gives a little history of the TC that would help too. And info is greatly appricated.
Thanks, Brian

lakota · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 2011, 04:29:51 PM »

I'm no T/C authority so I may be arong but I dont think they ever made a .45 Renegade. As far as the Renegade and the Renegade Hunter I think the main differences were the double set trigger and Hawken style trigger gaurd on the Renegade and then they went to a single trigger and round trigger gaurd on the Hunter model.

When I had my Renegade I stripped the bluing of the barrel and all the furniture and cold browned everything. I like the looks of browning better.

keith44 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 04, 2011, 05:09:22 PM »

I have an old owners manual that lists calibers, and loads. I remember T/C produced a .56 cal smooth bore and I think it was called Renegade as well. (this is from memory, I'll post what the manual says later)

bubba.50 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 04, 2011, 08:12:29 PM »

renegades were made in 50, 54, 56smoothbore and 58cal "big boar" models. good luck on findin' any history on the web. any time ya ask it's "we had a fire and all records burned in it". besides the double/single trigger variations the "big boar" and maybe another model or two had recoil pads. for what it's worth and have a good'en friend, bubba.

keith44 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 04, 2011, 09:20:58 PM »

yup, bubba.50 has a good memory

Rock Home Isle · « **Reply #5 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:49:26 AM »

bubba.50 has it right...

ballenbrowning · « **Reply #6 on:** December 05, 2011, 02:55:24 AM »

Thanks for all the info.

Brian

bubba · « **Reply #7 on:** December 05, 2011, 12:14:26 PM »

anybody with the name bubba has to be right.

Ladobe · « **Reply #8 on:** December 06, 2011, 01:07:14 PM »

bubba50 is real close (he has a memory like a bear trap rusted shut).

The run of the TC Renegade has been a troubled one, with TC dropping the line completely a couple of times, starting and then dropping some configurations and not bringing them back, and bringing back the standard Renegade or Renegade Hunter later only to drop them again. In part due to them changing direction into the in-lines when folks started to move away from traditional muzzies for the in-lines. Traditional sales numbers decreased, so TC made a business decision.

The Renegades were first catalogued in 1976, although some probably were out there in 1975. During their run there were four (4) models of Renegades. Note: The Big Boar 58 R/H ST was not advertised as a Renegade, but rather as a stand alone model (same as other models that followed and also resembled the Renegades).

Renegade Models
Ren CL R/H DT was offered in 50, 54 and 56 Smooth Bore
Ren CL L/H DT in 50 & 54
Ren FL R/H DT in 50
Ren Hunter CL R/H ST in 50 & 54

No need to list the start/stop years on the configs or the kits/accessories (too much to type). As for the butt pad... the original Renegade Hunters had the same butt plate as the standard Renegades until the model was dropped about 1996. When they brought it back in 2003 they had changed to the shotgun style butt pad on it.

HTH

Ladobe

ballenbrowning · « **Reply #9 on:** December 07, 2011, 02:46:46 AM »

Ladobe
Thanks for the history on the renegade. That info is very helpful.

Brian

Landngroove · « **Reply #10 on:** December 07, 2011, 04:27:41 AM »

The T/C Custom Shop A.K.A. Fox Ridge Outfitters also sold a .58 caliber Renegade. (Not a Big Bore) I bought one from them about 10 years ago. (Have since sold it, to my regret) It had the rubber buttpad. I believe Fox Ridge has since closed, after the sale of T/C to Smith & Wesson.

lakota · « **Reply #11 on:** December 07, 2011, 06:19:24 AM »

I liked Fox Ridge. I ordered a few things from them over the years.

buzzy · « **Reply #12 on:** December 08, 2011, 01:50:41 PM »

Thanks , good information

I really like my 54 with the set trigger.

Buzz

Ladobe · « **Reply #13 on:** December 09, 2011, 08:05:45 AM »

Quote from: Landngroove on December 07, 2011, 04:27:41 AM

The T/C Custom Shop A.K.A. Fox Ridge Outfitters also sold a .58 caliber Renegade. (Not a Big Bore) I bought one from them about 10 years ago. (Have since sold it, to my regret) It had the rubber buttpad. I believe Fox Ridge has since closed, after the sale of T/C to Smith & Wesson.

That's true, FR did offer a 58 for the Renegade for a while. But was the barrel actually marked Renegade, or just a Big Bore barrel on a Renegade? Never saw one personally, so I don't know which, but would like to add which to my data base.

Thanks.

Landngroove · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2011, 08:59:41 AM »

The .58 Renegade I had from Fox Ridge was marked "Renegade" on the barrel. It also had double trigger. (set) The only difference from it and my .54 Renegade, was that it had a rubber butt pad, unlike my .54 which has a steel butt plate.

lefty41 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 09, 2011, 09:30:37 AM »

Quote from: Ladobe on December 06, 2011, 01:07:14 PM

bubba50 is real close (he has a memory like a bear trap rusted shut).

The run of the TC Renegade has been a troubled one, with TC dropping the line completely a couple of times, starting and then dropping some configurations and not bringing them back, and bringing back the standard Renegade or Renegade Hunter later only to drop them again. In part due to them changing direction into the in-lines when folks started to move away from traditional muzzies for the in-lines. Traditional sales numbers decreased, so TC made a business decision.

The Renegades were first catalogued in 1976, although some probably were out there in 1975. During their run there were four (4) models of Renegades. Note: The Big Boar 58 R/H ST was not advertised as a Renegade, but rather as a stand alone model (same as other models that followed and also resembled the Renegades).

Renegade Models
Ren CL R/H DT was offered in 50, 54 and 56 Smooth Bore
Ren CL L/H DT in 50 & 54
Ren FL R/H DT in 50
Ren Hunter CL R/H ST in 50 & 54

No need to list the start/stop years on the configs or the kits/accessories (too much to type). As for the butt pad... the original Renegade Hunters had the same butt plate as the standard Renegades until the model was dropped about 1996. When they brought it back in 2003 they had changed to the shotgun style butt pad on it.

HTH

Ladobe

T/C also had a .56SB for us Lefties. I have one for my LH Renegade.

Ladobe · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2011, 09:51:28 AM »

Jerry,

I didn't try to list all the accessory items or kits TC has offered over the years, didn't dig out my data base in storage I would need to do so and just went with the standard models offered. So it could be an accessory barrel offered by TC, they did offer some for a few of their standard models over the years, or maybe a barrel from Fox Ridge.

L.

Dogmann · « **Reply #17 on:** October 07, 2012, 06:31:06 AM »

On the Renegades in 58-
The one Rengade 58, double triggers and recoil pad- these barrels marked custom shop?
What were the length?

On the Big Boar 58's- the barrels were marked as such and these were single triggers- what were these barrel lengths?

In the Hawken 58's- what were these barrels marked and length ?

Thanks

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2012, 03:58:28 AM »

On the barrel it sez: .58 cal HAWKEN. The barrel is almost 28".

P.A.

ceadersavage2 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2012, 11:04:51 AM »

That right Mr Meyers I belive u bought this from me an I bought it in about 15 to 20 years ago .The single trigger an Kawkens on the barrel with sallow riffleing whick thompson told me then it was a Coudtom made gun

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2012, 12:50:46 PM »

Yes it is, love it. That Hunter stock is now a 56 smooth.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2012, 01:36:08 PM »

i picked up a 28 inch 12 gauge....half round and half octagonal

for mu renegade at a gun show for $10

set triggers in 50 cal kit gun........mine shoots the 370 maxi slug best

i prefer the 50 but my experience with anything else is very limited

i got the 50 because i got a good deal....i wanted the 54
am glad i ended up with the 50

RamblinMan2 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 18, 2012, 05:48:27 PM »

Ladobe, if you have a data base of T/C models, DOM, etc I would be intrested in exchanging data with you. I've been a T/c dealer for 35 years and have a lot of drawings, parts lists, rate of twist charts, etc, etc. I'm trying to gather everything I can and publish a history of the T/C traditional guns. Nothing is in one place now and there is so much misinformation around. Thanks and regards, RamblinMan

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Jerry,

I didn't try to list all the accessory items or kits TC has offered over the years, didn't dig out my data base in storage I would need to do so and just went with the standard models offered. So it could be an accessory barrel offered by TC, they did offer some for a few of their standard models over the years, or maybe a barrel from Fox Ridge.

L.

Ranger99 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 18, 2012, 06:07:16 PM »

i have barrels from f.r.o. and
neither is marked custom or
in any special way

i miss f.r.o.

Landngroove · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2012, 10:50:09 AM »

Looking through my older T/C catalogs I see .50, and .54 calibers only (percussion). A .58 caliber was available from the T/C custom shop. I also see a .50 caliber flintlock in the catalogs. I also see in the catalogs, a .56 caliber smoothbore was available, but no .45's.

del1964 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 05, 2012, 08:47:55 AM »

Is there any way to find out what year my renegade was made? What does the letters behind in the models mean? thanks ><> del

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #26 on:** November 05, 2012, 08:56:55 AM »

I got a kit over 25 years ago for a 50 cal double triggers . It has taken deer and turkey . Wish I could get another kit at a reasonable price as I have had alot of good fun with mine.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #27 on:** November 05, 2012, 12:30:48 PM »

Quote from: P.A. Myers on October 10, 2012, 03:58:28 AM

On the barrel it sez: .58 cal HAWKEN. The barrel is almost 28".

P.A.

i THINK .... that the hawken has a 7/8 inch diameter through the flats
and renegade is 0ne inch through the flats

i am not sure tho

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #28 on:** November 05, 2012, 12:52:57 PM »

Hawken: 45, 50 are 15/16. 54, 58 1". All Renegades are 1" All Seneca and Cherokee 45, 36 are 13/16. It seems they skipped 7/8.

P.A.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #29 on:** November 05, 2012, 01:07:05 PM »

15/16......i am thinking back many decades...that sounds more familiar

where did that 12 guage come from??