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S.1867: The hunting of America expands
« on: December 05, 2011, 06:05:09 AM »
Has this been brought up here? I heard about this last week and just read it at this site: http://rockymountainsurvivalinstitute.com/

I did highlight John McCains name in bold. Yet another example of who he really is. Here is the story from the link shown above.

S.1867: The hunting of America expands

November 27, 2011 by ppjg

Marti Oakley (c)copyright 2011 All Rights Reserved

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Many of us have wondered if directed to; would our own military turn on us? It appears that this is the plan and has been all along, yet the question remains……would they actually do it if ordered to?

S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill. Senators Carl Levin (D) MI and John McCain (R) AZ, are bringing this bill to the Senate floor on S.1867 [DWB states: It has now passed 97 yea 3 nay in the Senate.]

The end of Liberty

Monday after having held secret committee meetings while never holding even one hearing on this bill which authorizes military action against US citizens, right here in the United States.

While the bill appears on the surface to be about authorizing defense funding for the illegal wars, the ongoing unwarranted surveillance of the US population and the continuing violations of the 4th Amendment as applied to US citizens, many of the provisions of the bill do not pertain to unidentifiable terrorists or any other villain carefully crafted to terrorize the country. The fact is, as a result of the false flag attacks on 9/11, we have massive numbers of police state “laws” on the books which created “terrorists” or redefined “terrorist activity” to include everything from political dissent and free speech, even including targeting of US citizens for mentioning or referencing the Constitution or supporting third party, non-approved candidates for public office.

When this bill passes with these police state provisions included (I believe it will) you can expect your senator who voted “yes” on the bill to maintain that they only did so because otherwise the funding for the wars would have ceased (we could only hope) and they have to continue to fight the terrorists, terrorism, or what ever lame excuse pops into their heads to explain why they voted to pass what is clearly a police state bill.

The bill itself was drafted in secret and I believe it would be to our benefit to know who actually drafted that bill.

Who were the “stakeholders” who actually wrote the bill introduced by these two traitorous senators. We know they didn’t write it, they never do. All bills are written by stakeholders who blow through the doors of congress carry bags of cash to buy the support of politicians who make their living selling off our rights along with anything else that isn’t nailed down.

S.1867 includes these provisions highlighted by the ACLU:

If enacted, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA would:

1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside theUnited States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.

The Washington Post of course did its part to make sure it appeared this bill was about “terrorists”, who could be held indefinitely, who could be subject to extraordinary rendition (transferred to countries like Egypt for extensive torture) and glossed over or totally avoided mentioning the fact that the provisions of this bill could be applied, and are actually intended to be applied to US citizens on US soil.

The language of the bill is intentionally very broadly written to allow later interpretations that will be used to redefine yet again, our rights, our protections, striking each one down under the false flag use of “the war of terror”.

In the last several years we have seen the militarization of our local law enforcement under the direction of Homeland Security. We now have major US cities armed with military tanks, drones, and outfitted like star wars storm troopers; all for use against US citizens in their own communities. Local law enforcement has been remade into extended military units to enable them to become a working military unit in tandem with military control. These law enforcement units have ceased operating as “protect and serve” civil service operations and instead have become direct threats to the communities which are forced to endure them. The escalating violence against the citizens, the abrogation of rights, the violation of standing laws and the protection provided to these units by the courts should have us all demanding an end to Homeland Security interference in local law enforcement activities and reverting law enforcement back to one of community protection and service.

We have seen the creation of the White House Rural Council along with other newly created agencies that all include the military as part of their structure. This is no accident. There is no plausible reason the military would be included in any Council making preparations to unlawfully enter into the states, unless military action against the citizenry was anticipated.

S.1867 is a catch all bill. Its intention is to make legal (not lawful) the crime of unlawful detention without due process. By extension, the bill would condone the practice of extraordinary rendition for the purpose of torture of US citizens who could be kidnapped from our streets without being charged with a crime, having access to the courts for redress (the bill condones the military holding tribunals outside of the US court system at its discretion) and holding US citizens indefinitely without charging them with any crime.

This bill is one of the final steps necessary in striking down any remaining Constitutional protections or rights, all under the phony war of terror being perpetrated by our own government against its own citizens. This is not a right or left, Democrat or Republican plan……they are all in it together. They will all vote for it together knowing full well that it is an assault on the people of the US.

In my opinion, it is an open declaration of war against the people by our own government.

This brings us back to the initial question:

If ordered to do so, would our own military turn on us?

It appears they would.
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Re: S.1867: The hunting of America expands
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2011, 11:48:16 AM »
Tanks rolling around local communities? Americans being confined and tortured?
Someone's been watching "Red Dawn" too many times. ;)
 
 
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Re: S.1867: The hunting of America expands
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 12:38:52 PM »
Tanks rolling around local communities? Americans being confined and tortured?
Someone's been watching "Red Dawn" too many times. ;) 
 
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Would you care to enlighten me with your take on it then Spanky? Do you recall Obama calling for a "Civillian National Security Force" (IMO this equals Brown Shirts) that would be "just as powerful, just as strong and just as well funded" as our military in the 2008 presidential debates? I might be a little off on this, but IMO S. 1867 is a step in that direction without forming that "Force".

In case you forgot here is a link to that speech.


Here are a couple more links in S. 1867

http://www.jbs.org/legislation/paul-amendment-would-strike-indefinite-detention-provision-from-defense-bill
http://www.dailypaul.com/189568/s-1867-live-now-on-c-span2
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1867/show
http://www.independentsentinel.com/2011/12/the-skinny-on-the-controversial-bill-s-1867-detainee-provision/
 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/senate-repeals-bans-on-sodomy-and-bestiality-in-the-u-s-military/
http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2011/12/s-1867-indefinite-detention-defense-bill-passes-senate/
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Re: S.1867: The hunting of America expands
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 01:10:52 PM »
My take on it??
 
Well.... it's a crock. That's my take on it. ;)
Gotta go... I think I hear a tank pulling up my driveway. :o
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Re: S.1867: The hunting of America expands
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 01:24:21 PM »

Well.... it's a crock. That's my take on it. ;)
Gotta go... I think I hear a tank pulling up my driveway. :o
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Sounds like you have looked into it thoroughly then... ::) . I hope you're right.

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither" Benjamin Franklin

Ron Paul touches on it in this speech also.
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Re: S.1867: The hunting of America expands
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2011, 05:20:42 AM »
This reminds me of a couple quotes by a man with more intelligence than pretty much anyone in office today.

"The government turns every contingency into an excuse for enhancing power in itself."  John Adams

"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.”  John Adams
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Re: S.1867: The hunting of America expands
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2011, 07:11:04 AM »
This reminds me of a couple quotes by a man with more intelligence than pretty much anyone in office today.

"The government turns every contingency into an excuse for enhancing power in itself."  John Adams

"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.”  John Adams

Yes, the hammer is at full cock. The American people have to make some changes now that will insure the trigger isn't pulled if it isn't too late already. From the poll of the last vote we may be past that point. ear
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